Rhodelization of Autos?

Soma said:

Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art. Just like art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have used gibberellic acid, pH stress, light stress, and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds. All of these methods are harsh on the plants, and some, like the gibberellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner, more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds. Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, rather than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher pH, some a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like much less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown the same strains for close to a decade, and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

I named this new method "Rodelization," after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male "bananas." A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built-in safety factor so that in case of severe conditions, the plant can make sure the species is furthered.

To me, a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male-banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop, or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out. I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress.

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed, and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent.

For the next phase, you need to have a separate crop that’s already 2 1/2 weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut all the fans in the growroom down. Then take a very fine paintbrush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success.

I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time (two crops), but is completely organic, and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you’re one of those growers who’s never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating. The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, unpollinated females after they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later, you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.

As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from ThSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: Drop seeds not bombs.

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ThePhiloStoned said:

Okay, I literally heard three interviews recently with breeders that use late-flower rhodelization only as their method of retrieving pollen...so I seriously doubt your fears are warranted...and how is this herm-ing if practically all genotypes will produce pollen in this manner...and how tf can you remove rhodelization from your genetics, from what I've read nearly all strains will react in this way...

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ThePhiloStoned said:

Does anyone know if you can induce female pollen in autoflower strains through rhodelization (a/k/a the Soma style of Fem-ing)? This is where you leave buds to overripen for several weeks past their mark and they throw nanners as a last ditch effort to produce seeds before dying.

Here's a description of the process by Soma:


What I'm unsure of is if this method will work on autoflower strains or if I would have to use chemical intervention to induce autofem pollen.

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• STS;
• CS; or
• rhodelization.

CannaZen said:

I believe that is hermaphrodite.

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JockBudman said:

Why bother with cs sts or rhodelization? You can still, for the moment at least, get regular auto seeds from a few seed sellers. Simply get fems if need be, of the mums you want to use, get regs of lowryder 2 or another auto strain then cross them. Breed a few generations and select for your tastes and after a few years or seasons you'd have a nice stock of fairly consistent auto plants.

Personally I find it much easier to sex a male and bin it than hunt for nannas or pods. And the window of sexing to pollen flying is pretty wide with pure males - I've even had a hard time getting the fuckers to open up in time to breed with a good female. Pollen sacs on the other hand have often been missed by me before it's way too late and my latest grow is seeded up by a fem bean that turned. Never seen hermies on a regular plant - and I stress the absolute fuck out of my grows through sheer incompetence.

Just a suggestion. It's actually my plan for when I have land and a chance to grow in a greenhouse.

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I'mback said:

... perhaps off topic here a little, what is wrong with feminizing seeds from a female plant for the future? Not everyone want's to breed, and autos aren't what they are cut out to be IMHO. Furthermore... from what I have been reading, I rather have my own "homemade seeds" vice what is coming down the pipe.

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I'mback said:

It would be totally different if we didn't have the stupid "plant count", for which I have found a legal solution

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clearheaded said:

Yes many stay alive and will toss out nanners when well past there prime.

as others said its not the best way although can be effective IF proper testing is done...that all being said may be OK for auto as plants are so fast may not have the time to show intersex untill finished anyway?? and plant is well finished before it stops producing ethylene?

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