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Old 10-24-2020, 12:20 PM #101
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Not prostate cancer but I made some RSO and it sorted my mom's skin cancer swiftly.
I know, not the same but exploring this is good and important as the positive effects are real Sir.
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I'm out of rep, having just gotten the ability to provide it yesterday, I played catch-up, and am out of it.

Despite my tangentiality, and Rainman-like ramblings at times, I am both quite interested and quite grateful for your and others' assistance.

One notable change for me is that I have always had a needle-sharp memory, to the point that it (borderline) frightened persons at times. I've always been so fixated on details that learning new or complex things takes me more time, but in the past, once it's locked in my mind, it's been there for next to forever.

Over the last year (+/-), I notice my retention is dropping off somewhat dramatically; whether an overload of the proverbial data base, generic issues with aging, failing of neuro-transmitters/synapses, cancer-related, or what, I can't say at the moment, but it is both mildly frustrating, and a bit alarming, too.

It seems that when I've been making canna butter, I was essentially decarbing the cannabis during the process of boiling/simmering of the weed, water, and ghee, right?

So I wondered last night, after first reading your first reply last night, "Why does the cooking off of the solvent not simultaneously decarb the oil??" Or does it, in part, do just this??

That said, and considering I've successfully made ISO oil years ago, using Shmike's method, and that the decarbing of oil seems to be a bit more clear in "Is it done yet?" criteria than decarbing flowers, would it make sense to make the oil, then decarb, simply watching for the bubbles to subside as the oil heats?

Local health food outlet has both empty gelatin caps and empty vegetable caps, and I figure on the veggie caps, as it intuitively seems more body-friendly, but that's simply a guess.

Likewise, they have both soy lecithin and sunflower lecithin. My memory tells me that both sunflower oil and unfermented soy products have been deemed less than healthy, but I have no clue if soy lecithin is a fermentation product or a raw extract, which according to my distant memory, makes the difference in healthy/tolerable, and not.

In that I didn't make that trip to the store last evening, that will be something I plan to do today.

I ingested 1 of the previously referenced cannabis capsules from my freezer last night, from an acquaintance from years ago, and it lacked nothing in potency. Years ago I would give the same fellow larger quantity of my weed, typically bagged, then sealed 2 x's in Food Saver pouches. I had noted, out loud in discourse with him, that the weed, after sitting for some time, vacuum packed, even in the freezer, was definitely further along in curing and transition, than when he'd received it, despite freezing, storage, etc.

Again, simply based on subjective perception, this told me some things (maybe) about curing continuing after freezing, sealing, etc.

I'll try your experiment to see if the rosin causes apoptosis for the skin tags; I seem to have developed a bumper crop of the things over the last 20-30 years. The only question will be which ones I can reach, and which ones my wife is subjected to treating for my not being able t access them.

I had a few buds years ago from a Hawaiian Sativa (1 of only a few retail cannabis outlet purchases I made as novelty buys, simply to walk into a store and buy some weed over the counter. other than that, I haven't frequented the places, and haven't had to buy any weed in several decades.

The thing with the weed above, was that while it was stated to maybe in the 13% to 16% THC range, it was ledged/advertised to be in about the 6% (or so) CBD range..

At this point in time, I have ample flower on-hand to make my oil (Dronkers' California Indica <an old plant here- 23 years now>, Ghost Train Haze #1, Greenhouse Seeds original Super Lemon Haze, Bodhi's Goji OG, a variety of Satori trials, a variety Bodhi's Space Cake, a variety of trials of Bodhi's White Lotus, and maybe another 1 or 3 on hand). I've personally tested none of them for THC/CBD, let alone ratios, so can only make loose speculative conclusions based on genetic sourcing, and know straight off that my senior citizen girl, Dronkers' CI, is at LEAST as much a Sativa as an Indica, based on the history I 'know' from Sensi Seeds back in the 1990s.

Bodhi's WL and others, to include Goji OG, include lineage from his somewhat infamous male of Himalayan/Hindu Kush origins, unless my memory is more screwed than I believe it is..

At this point, I'll using all of the above, including both trim and flower, to make any oil, though I will likely tumble the trim for hash first. (*Likely that smoking, rather than eating or vaping, at this point in time, is not the wisest of moves for me).

I will look into an IR heat gun, or what ever it was you referenced, and see how fast I can get one coming. The more elaborate chef's/coking store in town is no longer with us, having closed several years ago, so not sure who would have that in town. As much as I loathe tossing money to Jeff Bezos, as you say, his Co. is sometimes Johnny-on-the-spot for oddities... like suppository molds, as one example.

I considered using my digital meat thermometer, but don't trust the calibration enough.

I suspect (read: 'hypothesize') that I can indeed cook off solvents in the cold, or even extreme cold, if I maintain the proper heat. But to cook off the volume of either Ethyl or Iso alcohol, I will need at LEAST a 5 qt or 6 qt. stainless steel sauce pot.

Knowing now your and others' reference to the alcohol absorbing H2O form the air, our humidity here in the cold winter air is often topped out, between 80% and 100% RH, but this is (as I'm guessing you're aware), due to air being saturated at colder temps, with MUCH less actual water present, and air holding MORE actual water in reaching saturation at warmer temps. So, for now, in my level of understanding (or not) I don't believe that should be an overwhelming issue.

It's more than a bit ;likely that my primary (current) specialist has both the CT scan and the nuclear bone scan results in his possession. I KNOW he has the CT scan, and no reason to believe he hasn't received the other. Thus, it's another week-end that someone has information I see as seriously important, but I haven't received a call yet. Several ways to interpret this, but all of it is speculation, until his staff call me in for a mtg. They're extremely good folks, but I think it's a common affliction among we humans to fail at times, where putting the proverbial shoe on the other foot is involved.

Well, that's my novella for this morning.

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Not prostate cancer but I made some RSO and it sorted my mom's skin cancer swiftly.
I know, not the same but exploring this is good and important as the positive effects are real Sir.
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Thanks Chevy.

I know this works for some/many, and know there are those who it doesn't work for.

Maybe the mind, believing, and unidentified 'mind over matter' powers of the brain are more at play, and we sometimes believe in something, and make it happen, attributing outcomes to other sources.

I know both the science of things, and the mind's attitude, play a role in all kinds of things.

And thanks for the encouragement.

Moving ahead with what I have on-hand. Hopefully it's sufficient.
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I could probably obtain dandelion root some place, buying it. We once made dandelion wine, decades ago, but that was greens, and especially flowers. Normally our yard has Olympic-grade crops of the things, coming up in the brome hay we planted long ago, but the ground here is now fairly hard frozen, at least for a half of a foot.

The lemon grass is available in raw, whole form from a variety of sources, and it features prominently in some of my Thai pepper and/or red curry pastes.

That's one of the things that makes me wary of the current diagnosis; all these things that are supposed to act to kill cancer/tumors, from cruciferous plants, to lemon grass, etc., are already a fairly present aspect of our diets... yet here I am.

Leaves a person wondering, "What state would I be in if I HADN'T been eating these things all along? And what are they going to do for me now if I eat them in concerted, consistent, persistent, greater volume/frequency?"

I guess we'll find out, eh?

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I know this, for the moment. I had been on a roll getting projects completed before this dx came down, almost as though I intuitively knew it was past time to finish up things before... something.

Now this issue has (at the moment) taken the wind out of my sails, hopefully not for long, as many of the projects still need done; barn siding and addition to be completed, the pressure-treated wood porch and approach into the shed we replaced the foundation of, my soilless mix project, for which I have some very thorough and tangible guidance, and more.

So I need to get back in the saddle, and get 'er done, one way or another, for one reason or another.

I know I don't have time at the moment to do a miracle harvest of that Hawaiian Sativa strain I referenced, with a decent THC/CBD profile, but I wish I had about a lb. of tat here right now, to mostly make oil from... I really do. Maybe I'll put her on my Christmas list, if I can track her down and remember what the hell she was called.. The fellow I knew at that shop is back in Hawaii with his family as of several years ago, unless his status has changed. Really good guy, by my observations, too. Maybe I'll call the shop at some point, and inquire as to whether anyone there recalls the specific strain in reference.

Probably shouldn't be smoking, but I think I'll go have a puff or 3 from the more recent harvest, or some hash, and dab some of the rosin onto a skin tag or 2, with some Scotch tape, beginning the experiment, a 'la Weez. If I had a safe, functional digital camera, I could maybe treat the viewers to a couple Frankenstein-like pics of any results from the skin tag experiment... Has anyone engaged in cyst or tumor porn here before? Is it an offense that might lead to being banned?
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Local shop thinks the plant I was remembering was perhaps 'Aloha', but I can't remember clearly enough to say yes or no in a definitive manner.

That said, they have a 'Blue Dream' in cuttings (a handful of them remining right now) that advertises as 11% CBD and 9% THC. not bad, and closer to what I'm seeking, though in my perspective, I was hoping for a bit higher THC content, and maybe a point or 2 lower on CBD.

And the projects mount... Work may keep the mind more busy once the immediate lull in energy subsides.

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... It seems that when I've been making canna butter, I was essentially decarbing the cannabis during the process of boiling/simmering of the weed, water, and ghee, right? ...
according to Shantel @ Ardent, the oil insulates the THC and prevents a more complete decarboxylation. i have the Nova and it works. it has been tested to be 95% conversion. they have an infusion device which i just got for spouse for Festivus. i hope to replace her crock pot infusions with a better/simpler/more effective device. we'll see.

i did about 12 oz in my NOVA for extractions for spouse when she had a big/deep melanoma - she still had the re-excision, but doctor was surprised when the pathology showed a lack of spread - in situ. he was skeptical when i mentioned the THC prophylaxis treatments - about 3 weeks. s'ok. he's an excellent plastic surgeon - he's been whittling on me a bit - i'm like an old (72) whittling stick - damn those sunburns when i was a teen.
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according to Shantel @ Ardent, the oil insulates the THC and prevents a more complete decarboxylation. i have the Nova and it works. it has been tested to be 95% conversion. they have an infusion device which i just got for spouse for Festivus. i hope to replace her crock pot infusions with a better/simpler/more effective device. we'll see.

i did about 12 oz in my NOVA for extractions for spouse when she had a big/deep melanoma - she still had the re-excision, but doctor was surprised when the pathology showed a lack of spread - in situ. he was skeptical when i mentioned the THC prophylaxis treatments - about 3 weeks. s'ok. he's an excellent plastic surgeon - he's been whittling on me a bit - i'm like an old (72) whittling stick - damn those sunburns when i was a teen.
Thanks Bud.

I'll give it a viewing/look it up.

All anecdotes and research, as well as information re. processes and equipment are more than welcome.

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Weez, I nearly forgot to mention some musings last night. You'd mentioned using a jeweler's cleaning apparatus to blend your lecithin with your extract.

If I take extract oil, lecithin (of what ever sort), and coconut oil, all in equal parts (for starters, let's say 1.8 grams of each, or even 18 grams of each) then divide equally into 10 Or in the case of 18 grams each, 100 doses of 180 mg of THC extract, and a total weight of 540 mg including the coconut oil and lecithin components in the final weight) I would have either 10 180 mg (actual extract oil) content per 1.8 grams of each component mixed, or 100 doses of 180 mg if using the 18 grams of each component method/measurements, correct?

I could freeze any capsules or suppositories of this sort, for later use, theoretically with minimal degradation to the product (again, the years-old capsule I ingested last night was most certainly effective in terms of perceived effect).

The question I posed to myself last night was this; would heating, say to about 140 f., in a stainless steel pan on the induction cook-top, while blending with what ever tool, the lecithin, coconut oil, and THC extract, be apt to end in a 'homogenized', somewhat stable (even if just for the time it takes to load capsules and freeze them) substance? Or is the THC extract/oil apt to remain separate from these components, no matter what, if using this method?

My thinking was that the coconut oil might help the extract to merge/mix more thoroughly with the lecithin?

Trying to make this happen without buying an entire dental office or hardware worth of new tools.
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I'm quite grateful, Weez.

I'm out of rep, having just gotten the ability to provide it yesterday, I played catch-up, and am out of it.

Despite my tangentiality, and Rainman-like ramblings at times, I am both quite interested and quite grateful for your and others' assistance.

One notable change for me is that I have always had a needle-sharp memory, to the point that it (borderline) frightened persons at times. I've always been so fixated on details that learning new or complex things takes me more time, but in the past, once it's locked in my mind, it's been there for next to forever.

Over the last year (+/-), I notice my retention is dropping off somewhat dramatically; whether an overload of the proverbial data base, generic issues with aging, failing of neuro-transmitters/synapses, cancer-related, or what, I can't say at the moment, but it is both mildly frustrating, and a bit alarming, too.

It seems that when I've been making canna butter, I was essentially decarbing the cannabis during the process of boiling/simmering of the weed, water, and ghee, right?


Sadly, not so right. That graphic that Gry posted says it all.
The function is time and temperature. As temperature is lowered time increases for full decarb.

100° C. is simply not hot enough to do it well in a reasonable time. So, while it had some potency, it would have been much more so with a full decarb. It leaves too much still in acid form.


So I wondered last night, after first reading your first reply last night, "Why does the cooking off of the solvent not simultaneously decarb the oil??" Or does it, in part, do just this??


Key there is, "in part".
First iso is azeotropic. The is, it's boiling point changes as it becomes less wet. So that's a moving target. It starts at 82.3° C. for anhydrous. Worse that water for decarb. that rises to 100° near the end. Then large steam bubbles form until the water is all but gone. At that point, the temperature rises rapidly to the boiling point of the oil. in between, tiny bubble form. That is CO2. The bubbles are tiny because CO2 is dense. This is a danger. The transition from decab to scortched change is rapid and unforgiving. You can ruin an entire batch and be left with CBN.


That said, and considering I've successfully made ISO oil years ago, using Shmike's method, and that the decarbing of oil seems to be a bit more clear in "Is it done yet?" criteria than decarbing flowers, would it make sense to make the oil, then decarb, simply watching for the bubbles to subside as the oil heats?


That is when you switch to a coffee warmer.

You still have to watch it carefully, but there is more room for error.


Local health food outlet has both empty gelatin caps and empty vegetable caps, and I figure on the veggie caps, as it intuitively seems more body-friendly, but that's simply a guess.


Dunno, I use regular gelatin caps. (Iffn it ain't broke . . .)


Likewise, they have both soy lecithin and sunflower lecithin. My memory tells me that both sunflower oil and unfermented soy products have been deemed less than healthy, but I have no clue if soy lecithin is a fermentation product or a raw extract, which according to my distant memory, makes the difference in healthy/tolerable, and not.

In that I didn't make that trip to the store last evening, that will be something I plan to do today.

I ingested 1 of the previously referenced cannabis capsules from my freezer last night, from an acquaintance from years ago, and it lacked nothing in potency. Years ago I would give the same fellow larger quantity of my weed, typically bagged, then sealed 2 x's in Food Saver pouches. I had noted, out loud in discourse with him, that the weed, after sitting for some time, vacuum packed, even in the freezer, was definitely further along in curing and transition, than when he'd received it, despite freezing, storage, etc.

Again, simply based on subjective perception, this told me some things (maybe) about curing continuing after freezing, sealing, etc.

I'll try your experiment to see if the rosin causes apoptosis for the skin tags; I seem to have developed a bumper crop of the things over the last 20-30 years. The only question will be which ones I can reach, and which ones my wife is subjected to treating for my not being able t access them.

I had a few buds years ago from a Hawaiian Sativa (1 of only a few retail cannabis outlet purchases I made as novelty buys, simply to walk into a store and buy some weed over the counter. other than that, I haven't frequented the places, and haven't had to buy any weed in several decades.

The thing with the weed above, was that while it was stated to maybe in the 13% to 16% THC range, it was ledged/advertised to be in about the 6% (or so) CBD range..

At this point in time, I have ample flower on-hand to make my oil (Dronkers' California Indica <an old plant here- 23 years now>, Ghost Train Haze #1, Greenhouse Seeds original Super Lemon Haze, Bodhi's Goji OG, a variety of Satori trials, a variety Bodhi's Space Cake, a variety of trials of Bodhi's White Lotus, and maybe another 1 or 3 on hand). I've personally tested none of them for THC/CBD, let alone ratios, so can only make loose speculative conclusions based on genetic sourcing, and know straight off that my senior citizen girl, Dronkers' CI, is at LEAST as much a Sativa as an Indica, based on the history I 'know' from Sensi Seeds back in the 1990s.

Bodhi's WL and others, to include Goji OG, include lineage from his somewhat infamous male of Himalayan/Hindu Kush origins, unless my memory is more screwed than I believe it is..

At this point, I'll using all of the above, including both trim and flower, to make any oil, though I will likely tumble the trim for hash first. (*Likely that smoking, rather than eating or vaping, at this point in time, is not the wisest of moves for me).

I will look into an IR heat gun, or what ever it was you referenced, and see how fast I can get one coming. The more elaborate chef's/coking store in town is no longer with us, having closed several years ago, so not sure who would have that in town. As much as I loathe tossing money to Jeff Bezos, as you say, his Co. is sometimes Johnny-on-the-spot for oddities... like suppository molds, as one example.

I considered using my digital meat thermometer, but don't trust the calibration enough.

I suspect (read: 'hypothesize') that I can indeed cook off solvents in the cold, or even extreme cold, if I maintain the proper heat. But to cook off the volume of either Ethyl or Iso alcohol, I will need at LEAST a 5 qt or 6 qt. stainless steel sauce pot.


That is correct.

One of those rare times when bigger is, actually, better.
Here's the url for the IR gun that I use; https://www.amazon.com/Infrared-Ther...s%2C284&sr=8-9



Knowing now your and others' reference to the alcohol absorbing H2O form the air, our humidity here in the cold winter air is often topped out, between 80% and 100% RH, but this is (as I'm guessing you're aware), due to air being saturated at colder temps, with MUCH less actual water present, and air holding MORE actual water in reaching saturation at warmer temps. So, for now, in my level of understanding (or not) I don't believe that should be an overwhelming issue.

It's more than a bit ;likely that my primary (current) specialist has both the CT scan and the nuclear bone scan results in his possession. I KNOW he has the CT scan, and no reason to believe he hasn't received the other. Thus, it's another week-end that someone has information I see as seriously important, but I haven't received a call yet. Several ways to interpret this, but all of it is speculation, until his staff call me in for a mtg. They're extremely good folks, but I think it's a common affliction among we humans to fail at times, where putting the proverbial shoe on the other foot is involved.

Well, that's my novella for this morning.

Thanks again. Seriously.

Wow! a rambler after my own heart.


Sorry about the format here. it's the best way for me. Cannabis does affect immediate memory and I am usually well oiled.
I will try to call you tomorrow. But no worry if I space out.

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