About to Give up all together after years

Hello All,

Well Ive been at it for quite a few years.
I have best setups and build the best systems, but when it comes to actual growing, I just cant get it. I cant dial in a strain.

My weakness is just the actual growing part, npk and nutrients what the strain needs at different satges. I never have lush dark green leafs in veg and in flower, things go south fast. I used mulitple different nutrients, low ppm and higher pmm, different setups and strains. But I never get the easy results some of the noobs even have.

I am doing something very wrong but I cant figure out what. I am quite sure its the feeding.

I thought there was something wrong with my water, the ppm is about 290 and Ph of 8, so I even went RO and I really had trouble with RO as well. tried 50/50 RO and tap, thing went a little better.

But the thing is I am always having problems and never get healthy plants ever....

Maybe someone can chime in

I show some examples if you guys like.

U have to study the leaf and stem discolorations and really understand whats going on with the plants. When u see a deficiency, give it what it needs once or twice. Feed once every 3 days...dont go any more than 2-3 days without checking on ur plants...always make sure ur timers are working right, and most importantly keep ur tempts between 75-80 degrees and humidity around 60 in veg and 45-50 in flower.

Try a few plants in a Soiless Organic Medium. feed the plants in veg 400ppm at 7scale, feed the plants in flower 1.2ec. keep the PH 6.3-6.6 for both. you will have some nice plants in the end. After you get the hang of this you can start adding a bloom booster in weeks 4-6. this is the easiest way to grow.

MaximumPar said:

U have to study the leaf and stem discolorations and really understand whats going on with the plants. When u see a deficiency, give it what it needs once or twice. Feed once every 3 days...dont go any more than 2-3 days without checking on ur plants...always make sure ur timers are working right, and most importantly keep ur tempts between 75-80 degrees and humidity around 60 in veg and 45-50 in flower.

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I have all all that sorted. there is a more techinical issues going on.

Thanks for reply

Purple Frostbyte said:

Try a few plants in a Soiless Organic Medium. feed the plants in veg 400ppm at 7scale, feed the plants in flower 1.2ec. keep the PH 6.3-6.6 for both. you will have some nice plants in the end. After you get the hang of this you can start adding a bloom booster in weeks 4-6. this is the easiest way to grow.

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I used to do aero nft in soiless. was om for a while. I do hydro not soil. In soil, I think it can be pretty straight forward. I might switch back.

...have you considered trying to simplify your approach? ...with active hydro there are many variables to consider and when something goes wrong it can be difficult to nail down exactly which variable is out of whack.

...anyway, if you're interested in another approach i'd recommend coco hempy buckets fed KISS style, in some form of the Lucas formula, i personally began with MaxiBloom but switched to Jack's Pro Hydro about a year later, ...then i'd also recommend barebulb vertical as a style, i guess because that's my preferrence, i like the simplicity and the economy.

...if you are unfamiliar with hempy buckets there are several good threads inhouse for you to research but basically 'hempy' growing is a passive form of hydroponics adapted from ancient Roman technology which incorporates a mini 'reservoir' at the bottom of each 'bucket', ...almost any water tight container can be used and what i use are 6liter trashcans i picked up at the Dollar store for, you guessed it, a buck each, ...anyway, i take that trashcan and i make a single drainage hole about 2 inchs up the side of the trashcan and then i fill the bottom of the 'bucket' with either hydroton or gravel or grorocks, whichever i have handy, up to that single drainage hole, then i fill above that hole with coco and pot my plants up into the coco so to the hands it feels much like working with soil.





...and here's a couple shots of some budporn from when i first started using the hempy tech, note that these were all grown in 2liter cut down Coke bottles that i made into hempy 'buckets'. ...all were fed nothing but MaxiBloom from rooted clone through to harvest and all were flowered under a 400CMH mounted in horizontal orientation inside a SuperSun II inside a wardrobe bloombox i built back in my early days which has since been passed on to a new grower.







...anyway, lol, i'm a big fan o' easy and reliable, drama free so that would be my recommendation, coco hempy buckets fed KISS style in a barebulb vertical setup FTW.

peace, bozo

example this is 10 day in veg from clone, clone straight to dwc.

what is that weird growth.?

when I put the clones to DWC, I add root activator, silica, PH down, by itself of 2 weeks. If I add any nutes it will burn....

Imagine if I put anything above 10ml - 20ml of canna A + B it will burn, in 100 gallons of water!


I get this as well for no reason VV

Here is right after transplant from my cloner to the RDWC.

seems like water stress. I add silica, root activator and ph down to 5.8. I I find if I add any nutes, I use canna A + B, even 10-20 ML in a 100 gal reservoir they burn!. Not just this strain, many other as well

this is what ends up happening

Then in the same system, as the first photos, this strain is ok.

I'd suggest growing in coco with heads mix... Easiest way to grow imo...

Don't give up friend!! Try some organic soil with a top dress of earthworm compost. No fucking with EC or PH. If you interested I can give you a base soil mix, or swing by the organic soil forum and do some research

I once tried DWC and hated it, maybe you haven't found the right style?

agreed

agreed

OP,

I agree with Moses, and whatever you decide for a system. Don't give up at all. It sometimes takes longer. Some have a green thumb naturally, and some need to learn it. It's all good, and will come to you. Best to you...D

just get 5 gallon smart pot , fill with FFOF or Organic Potting Soil, plant a healthy clone and just give ph 6.3-6.8 water every other day under anything from a T5 to a HPS

thats it...thats literally all it takes

if you grow moderatly small plants you do not even need to add any ferts all the way through harvest




learn to grow a small healthy plant before a big one

Ditch the hydro. Wayyyyy too complicated

Just grow in soil. Use one of the organic soil mixes here on icmag.com

Many of them are just 'add water'

lmao at ^

god, hydro is so fucking simple. more so than a soil grow.
me...40+yrs growing both ways. hydro since 79, soil...74
maybe you need to go with the easiest and best system. ebb n flo
dwc sucks, no need for all that crap

For the record, just cause something is simple doesn't mean its easy... And if your heart isn't all the way in it, then this hobby might not be the best for you...

cut out variables, the more you know for a fact, the less guessing you will have to do

I'd go with either a good organic mix that requires only water (which can be found all over icmag and other sites like it) or straight coco with a simple 2-part formula until you get things dialed in. The former is about as easy as it gets, the latter is simple as hell also but could have a bit more of a learning curve -- however, since you're used to hydro already, it should be an easy transition to a soil-less medium like coco.

Maybe start a grow journal / diary this way the good folk can help keep you in check, point you in the rite direction and help you before the problems arise....

The bit of advise i can give, is your environment. Making sure your environment is properly tuned in before the germination of seeds takes place "your environment is just as important as your choice of genetics" room temps, humidity, negative pressure, passive intake - active intake "good air flow" getting these primary principles corrected before your plants go in to your room will help you in the long run... "dont give up"
It will eventually come good for you.....

ditch the hydro and move on up to organic soil....yeehaw