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Old 11-29-2017, 10:57 PM #1
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true cure VS terps. sugars and flushing.

When we truely cure cannabis, in the true sense of the word. the idea is to get rid of chlorophyl and phytol and sugars(which burn black, if ever burnt sugar u know what i mean), which by definition would mean change in color from green to more brownish. Now while it is a smoother smoke, terps tend to degrade loss of monoterps and everything that we describe as LOUD is for the most part gone or mostly lost.

The second is what I think of is "cannabis cure" which is when nugs are dried quicker then to "truely" cure. phytol is lost and a little bit of sugars, but remains green so not truelly cured. While not as smooth as true brownish cured cannabis(think tobacco), it retains more terpenes including the mono light terpenes.

The main thing in getting smooth smoke and terps is to allow the plant to use up its stored carbohydrates ie sugars that are very harsh and burn black. this is main reason why flushing works to make better smoke. NPK as salts dry when heated to white NOT black. its the sugars that are black. cannabis is an accumulator so yes can get extra salts if over feed. and why soil grown organic can still be good burning and tasty without a flush, just need to allow to yellow and let sugars used up. and of course get rid of phytol which is 1 reason Fresh frozen can be a little harsh.

I think it is something that needs to be discussed and more understood by newbies as I always hear they fucked up the drying. but usually they try to really cure buds and put in jars moist to dry slow which as i said basically destroys alot of the smell.

please discuss how u think I am wrong or any points u feel I have missed. cheers!
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if your flowers have been grown well and flushed well, you don't need a cure. as you say the flavors are strongest before it's allowed to really cure. although you get strains like the ecsd that keeps it's terp profile even after months of storage/curing time. interesting subject though, no doubt.
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Old 11-30-2017, 02:37 AM #3
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glad u think so and agree Its just not layed out properly in most grow TEKs. about what ur trying to do and how to go about getting results ur looking for.
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:50 AM #4
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How do you think water curing factors in? Whitest ash i've ever seen compared to the air cured stuff bought over the years. I think it's the weight reduction that makes it unpopular.
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Of course some terp loss with water cure as well, another minus. for those that don't care it's great.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:31 AM #6
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well think it fits in to the working theory. phytol chlorophyl and most sugars are easily dissolved in water, along with other salts, making the burn white. while yes temp can effect whiteness as chimera says, if blow torch any strain can go whitish, but its the turning white at the at and below lighter temp ie in a joint that is indicative of less harsh smoke. again not sure why people think its salts as put hydro fert in the hot oven and some sugar which turns black and which is lighter? I believe they can make it taste worse forsure but not the ash color. wet wood or dry cured wood burns with the loudest crackle and pop? something to think about aswell...
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Consider the physiology of the plant when you harvest.

At night, plant sugars are translocated to the roots. As soon as the plant sees daylight those sugars begin moving back up into the plant canopy.

If one were to ensure they do not harvest during daylight hours, curing to remove excess sugars is unnecessary.

That is, as long as the plants were properly fed to begin with.
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good point passion, although I am not sure its that easy as it wouldnt be all or even most sugar. while i think ur basing it off of need for roots to get higher amount of salts and sugars at night to absorb the most of the water for the day. ie increasing osmatic gradient. sugars are constantly in all green tissue. I would be interested to know how much difference in sugar levels throughout the day..... hmm. but some is always better then none!!

EDIT: although who knows how much of a difference is needed for change in harshness. part is breaking down of more complex sugars phytol etc. so several things at play. and imagine dif sugars/carbohydrates all have different properties esp how much carbon comes off when burnt etc.

hmm perhaps time to bust out some grade 11 chemistry books and get some iodine Seliwanoff and benedicts reagents and see what we can determine... not sure how blood gllucose is determined but wouldnt that be nice to do some experiments with blood glucose meters.. lol science is fun isnt it

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What i know from expirience. Is that Flushing and curing make change to buds. On flushing i try non flushed,flushed with some stuff like final solution,flawless finish and just RO 4 7 days. I noticed that unflushed burns black (i grow hydro) but taste is good with added chemicals in it i noticed it at smoke is kind of harsh and sticky, with comercial stuff like fs and ff ash is white really white but i noticed that flavour have different terpens little bit when u use ff and fs(OGcut i have is little bit more gasy/skunky with final solution and with flawless finish is more lemony/piney but that is is litlle bit). Smoke is tick and good. But i now i prefer just RO water for last 7 days. And it have good taste and have white/gray ash colour and smoke is delicous and taste on same OG cut is litlle bit more candiyish than before. And for Curing i can say it bring smothnes but change the terp profile this OG cut when harvested is Garlic,Funky,Earthy,Lemony,Sku nk while after month or 2 becomes some kind of woodsy gas with candy ginger lemon overtone. When smoking after drying it makes u panic at first racy mind and after curing for month-2 it seatles in relaxing euforia more seteled down tipe of high that is becouse of terpens. And i noticed not good dried weed is not so strong but that is caused of water in it lungh have capacity and more water wapor insted of thc vapor u inhale the less go in to your blood. And thats why is weed stronger after ful drying after 3 weeks than after few days after harvest. And after 3 weeks of drying with high is just changeing cuz of terpens profile change in curing. 3 weeks drying for me is 15 days dry in in about 20c and humidity about 45% and after thet triming and 1 week in paper bags and then i start cure.
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a nice experiment would be to put some barely dry buds in a jar and let them cure at an ideal rh and temperature. Analyzing them first it should be possible to determine wich and how much VOCs were lost during the cure.
As for cannabinoid levels it would be interesting aswell to know what happens during a cure.
In my opionion the latter will be more abundant in % on dry matter for the progressive loss of water, that alone makes a huge weight inside a bud.
VOCs are easily lost being so volatile as you stated. Anyway i think that until theres water in the bud, the enzymatic process from when she was alive are still on going. so there may be a lower but still present production of volatiles and cannabinoids during cure.
For the record, Time ago i proposed research on a no-loss cure box, where normal atmosphere can be altered with specific gases to ensure curing of the green matter without or with less VOC loss.
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