Organic Vs. Chemical Nutes/Additives Side By Side (Roots Organics vs GH FloraDuo)

DGSIX · Jan 17, 2012

Organic Vs. Chem bottled nutrients/additives FLOWER WK3

Organic Vs. Chem bottled nutrients/additives FLOWER WK3

I'm here, I'm here! And smoking on a fat ass bowl of Pineapple something... What's new this week friends?

3rd week of flowering for the little ladies...

Organic

10ml Buddha Grow
15ml Buddha Bloom
5ml Extreme Serene
15ml Trinity
10ml HP2
5ml CaMg+
5ml Hygrozyme
2ml Bloombastic

Chem
5ml FloraDuo A
10ml FloraDuo B
5ml FloraBlend
2.5ml Bloom Roots
1ml Floralicious Plus
5ml Liquid KoolBloom
5ml CaMg+
5ml Hygrozyme

Now for the fun stuff... Pretty pictures.... Bubblicious (Left) Blue Mystic (Right) Organic up front today, and chems in back.

This has been a lot of fun and I have decided to do a documented blind taste test with the final product amongst some friends. Should be interesting...

I have a question for you knowledgable folks. The girls seem to be drinking more, I have been giving each 2gal smart pot a litre (or 1/4 gallon) each when watering and feeding. Feed Monday, RO water Thurs or Friday depending on how heavy the pots feel.

Lately, it seems as if 1 litre is not enough, I feel like I could water and feed twice a week...

Should I bump up to two litre/half gal and try and stick to my 1 water and 1 feed weekly schedule or feed more??? Any suggestions on a new schedule? They are going to start bulking soon and I don't want to effect that in anyway but positively :ying:

Thanks,

DG6

Dkgrower · Jan 17, 2012

Nice all looking good and healthy..

With that size container and plant size i would water less and more often.

Dave Coulier · Jan 18, 2012

DGSIX said:
I'm here, I'm here! And smoking on a fat ass bowl of Pineapple something... What's new this week friends?

3rd week of flowering for the little ladies...

Organic

10ml Buddha Grow
15ml Buddha Bloom
5ml Extreme Serene
15ml Trinity
10ml HP2
5ml CaMg+
5ml Hygrozyme
2ml Bloombastic

Chem
5ml FloraDuo A
10ml FloraDuo B
5ml FloraBlend
2.5ml Bloom Roots
1ml Floralicious Plus
5ml Liquid KoolBloom
5ml CaMg+
5ml Hygrozyme

Now for the fun stuff... Pretty pictures....

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This has been a lot of fun and I have decided to do a documented blind taste test with the final product amongst some friends. Should be interesting...

I have a question for you knowledgable folks. The girls seem to be drinking more, I have been giving each 2gal smart pot a litre (or 1/4 gallon) each when watering and feeding. Feed Monday, RO water Thurs or Friday depending on how heavy the pots feel.

Lately, it seems as if 1 litre is not enough, I feel like I could water and feed twice a week...

Should I bump up to two litre/half gal and try and stick to my 1 water and 1 feed weekly schedule or feed more??? Any suggestions on a new schedule? They are going to start bulking soon and I don't want to effect that in anyway but positively

Thanks,

DG6

DG6, the best time to water is when your plants need it. Ditch the schedules and feed/water when your plants need watering. I tend to my plants at least 3 times a day checking pots to see which plants need watering. I dont have any on a single schedule. They're fertigated at each watering, whenever the media needs watering, so I dont need to worry about a water/feed, or water/ water/feed, or whichever schedule you've chosen. Remember that your plants are undergoing moisture stress and reduced photosynthesis before wilting actually occurs, so remember that when deciding to water.

You want a moist, but not soggy media, and definitely don't let the soil dry out.

Once full budding sets in, your water needs are going to increase, as well as feeding needs, so the last thing I would want you to do is to under-water at this point.

If you're unsure if you are watering enough, pay attention to the lowest foliage. If you are losing alot of lower fan leaves to N defiency, and drying out very quickly, then you are most likely under-watering. Watch for leaf abscission as well. Although, very high soluble salts can achieve the same effect.

Your plants look great, btw. I love seeing beautiful fan leaves..

Bio boy · Jan 18, 2012

ony just noticed this, awsome read dude,
just one question is the layout the same as title

is it organic on left and chem on right?

DGSIX · Jan 18, 2012

Hey guys, thanks for the comments and watering advice! And also to answer your question, I try and rotate the plants around the room as much as possible so they get as even of growth as possible.

In the photos its Bubblicious (Left) Blue Mystic (Right) Organic up front today, and chems in back.

DG6

DGSIX · Jan 24, 2012

Organic Vs. Chem Flower Week 4!

Organic Vs. Chem Flower Week 4!

Hey friendlies. This week I have some more flicks for ya'll and 2 that need diagnosis only with the Roots Organics. I lightened my feeding this week just in case. Hope you can help and they aren't hurt too badly.

Organic

5ml Buddha Grow
5ml Buddha Bloom
5ml Extreme Serene
5ml Trinity
4ml Bloombastic
5ml CaMg+
5ml Hygrozyme

Chems
PH 6.0 800ppm
2.5ml FloraDuo A
7.5ml FloraDuo B
1ml Advanced Bloom Roots
1ml Floralicious Plus
5ml Liquid KoolBloom

Now for the pretty pictures...

Canopy

Blue Mystic

Bubblicious

I have had the same foliar "burning" you see in the second pic below around this time flowering the past 3 runs with the Roots line. I am going to give them a nice rinse with clearex incase I have any lock out once they dry out a bit from monday's feeding. I have also stopped using their hp2 and hpk and replaced it with Bloombastic. As for the first pic, i don't think it's powdery mildew, it's crispy like it's burnt as well. Check it out...

Now for the not so pretty pics...

Thanks for the reps, comments, advice, and positive energy everyone!

-DG6- :wave:

jonnybgood29 · Feb 1, 2012

those "burns" remind me of what i used to see when i had hard water. have you checked your ph?

pinecone · Feb 2, 2012

The first picture looks like PM to me. The second picture looks very much like the sort of burns I would see occasionally with seedlings in Fox Farm Ocean Forest. I'm not sure what causes this, but I suspect it is some sort of fertilizer burn (phosphorus?) as my plants would always grow out as they go bigger or the soil cooled.
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You are using a lot of products. Cost might be a consideration for some people. I'm wondering if you could provide a estimated cost breakdown for each method based on the products that you are currently using at the rates you are currently using them. Thanks.

Pine

St3ve · Feb 2, 2012

lookin good man can't wait to watch how it fares. Good luck and thanks for taking the time.

DrGreenThumb@OZ · Feb 2, 2012

I use organic based nutes .. i.e. deoderised fish emulsion and for flowering I use mollasses with a little fish emulsion added.

plus throwing in some live worms does wonders .. and worms prefer organic ..

some good potting mix as well ..

using chemical nutes is eay to overfeed and burn your plants and also the awful taste some hydro chems leave in the bud even if you do a good flush.

sprinkl · Feb 2, 2012

I myself am under the impression a decent chemical feeding program tries to mimic what happens in organic soil, and thus will never be as good, but it might come very close. It might be as good or even better than organic quantity wise, but quality wise it doesn't seem possible. The decomposition of organic materials by bacteria creates so many bio-active byproducts, I don't believe it will ever be possible to reproduce that 100% exactly the same.

DGSIX · Feb 2, 2012

@jonnybgood my ph is always about 8 after it come through the RO and my nutes bring it down. With the organics, I don't level the ph, with my chems I keep em between 5.8 and 6.0. Soil tester says 7.

@Pine Cone I'm pretty sure i just dripped salty water from the bottom of my smart pot onto that leaf when moving the plants in and out of the tent after a watering cause i have seen no signs of any more of the random leaf funk. And the burn is still unknown to me. I gave em a light rinse with clearex then fed them, then gave them another light rinse with clearex again today.

Thanks for the help guys!

DGSIX · Feb 2, 2012

Organic Vs. Chemical flowering day 32

Organic Vs. Chemical flowering day 32

Hey friends, sorry i'm a bit delayed on the update, I've been busy setting up a new veg. tent and etc. Hope all is well.

Today is day 32 in flowering for my Blue Mistic and Bubblicious. So far, the Blue Mistic reminds me of some Dinafem Cheese I had once upon a time. The Bubblicious is very bubblegum smelling. Both of them are low on the odor scale currently. Lots of resin everywhere, even on big fans and their stems.

Right now i'm blazing some fantastic blue dream from out west I think. My absolute favorite strain of all time I think besides the Buddah Kush I got from I believe it was called Apothecary of Denver last year on my 420 vacation. I would kill to be able to have a blue dream momma but there's no way for me to get cuts out here. :moon:

On with the side by side....

Organic
5ml Grow
5ml Bloom
5ml Extreme Serene
5ml Trinity
4ml Bloombastic
CaMg+ 2.5ml
Hygrozyme 2.5ml

Chem
FloraDuo A 2.5ml
FloraDuo B 7.5ml
1ml Bloom Roots
1ml Floralicious Plus
4ml Bloombastic
2.5ml CaMg+
2.5ml Hygrozyme

Temp 65f - 78f
RH 35% - 60%

Thanks for tuning in friends!!!!!
-DG6-
:wave:

pinecone · Feb 3, 2012

pinecone said:
Cost might be a consideration for some people. I'm wondering if you could provide a estimated cost breakdown for each method based on the products that you are currently using at the rates you are currently using them.

So I came up with $1.37 per gallon with organic and $0.53 for chem for the January 17th feeding.

Pine

DGSIX · Feb 3, 2012

I appologize, I missed this question. But it appears you beat me to the answer. Cost is most definitely a consideration for a lot of growers. I have taken the extra expense to see for myself and others what the growth and final product looks like between the two. Amended soils would be the way to gooooo financially and taste wise, if you're looking for heavy plants, hydro all the way.

redrut · Feb 3, 2012

All the pictures are unenviable ....

FunkBomb · Feb 3, 2012

Great idea and thread you've created. Keep up the good work.

-Funk

Hold Your Fire · Feb 3, 2012

One thing I've noticed about Roots Organic they've got ten bottles and a schedule to use them, but who the hell wants to deal with TEN bottles of nutes ?!?!
On the chem side Advanced nutrients is the same way.

Looking forward to running out of my current nutes so I can switch to Maxi Gro and Maxi Bloom.
AHHHHH, simplicity!

DGSIX · Feb 3, 2012

I don't know why it wont let anyone view my photos... It even tells me when i click on them that i don't have permission to see em... MOD? Help?

nugbuckets · Feb 6, 2012

pinecone said:
So I came up with $1.37 per gallon with organic and $0.53 for chem for the January 17th feeding.

Pine

yeah thats about what i came up with....good information.....now work that back into total cost analysis at the end of the grow vs. yield. i choose to run organics and believe it to be worth it in the end....great question/answer and thread.....nugs

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