Need help with my ROOTS in COCO PLEASE!

Raw710 · Jan 6, 2018

Kesey said:
Azadirachtin and diatamaceous earth will clear up the springtails in no time. Best way to prevent all this is keep your rooms clean, meaning don't leave puddles of water in your rooms, and inspect your coco before putting it in a pot.

I seem to always get the springtails in the bottom of the pot by drainholes never on top. Is azadirachtin azamax? Yea I used to think cabana was the best but I am almost steering away from it to another brand any suggestions? I used to use house and garden but can’t find it anymore

Loc Dog · Jan 6, 2018

First mistake I made when going to coco, was not letting it dry out somewhat in early veg. Watering everyday whether it needs it or not, causes lousy roots. I use airpots, to encourage quick drying. You do not want top to dry, but should lose a lot of weight.

Doing that, I have to feed 2 times a day, because the drink so much.

Raw710 · Jan 6, 2018

Desert Hydro said:
pics of the stalled and dying clones. there was a shit ton of these that had to be killed off because they stalled for so long but i was able to save the few that i needed to make sure i had mothers.

i dont think the bleach will help with the bugs but who knows. im not advising it for that. just clean white roots and then start fresh with beneficials. h202 is good too but the 35% is pretty pricey and you use quite a bit per gal every 4-5 days.

Yea I think I’m gonna try the bleach to negate the root infection while I am doing a sterile res. Then I’m going to introduce bennies again if I can find a good source of them. I would rather use those then any sort of chemical.

Raw710 · Jan 6, 2018

Loc Dog said:
First mistake I made when going to coco, was not letting it dry out somewhat in early veg. Watering everyday whether it needs it or not, causes lousy roots. I use airpots, to encourage quick drying. You do not want top to dry, but should lose a lot of weight.

Doing that, I have to feed 2 times a day, because the drink so much.

I agree but how do I keep the top just wet. Should o just mist it with a bottle until the bottom drain holes start to dry out?

Absolem · Jan 6, 2018

Raw710 said:
I seem to always get the springtails in the bottom of the pot by drainholes never on top. Is azadirachtin azamax? Yea I used to think cabana was the best but I am almost steering away from it to another brand any suggestions? I used to use house and garden but can’t find it anymore

Azamax does contain azadirachtin and the product works good for springtails. Your best buy for azadirachtin is a product called Molt-X. It contains 3% azadirachtin compared to Azamax which only contains 1.2% of the active ingredient.

Cheers

Raw710 · Jan 6, 2018

Absolem said:
Azamax does contain azadirachtin and the product works good for springtails. Your best buy for azadirachtin is a product called Molt-X. It contains 3% azadirachtin compared to Azamax which only contains 1.2% of the active ingredient.

Cheers

Would you happen to know the application rate? How long does it take to work?

Absolem · Jan 6, 2018

Raw710 said:
Would you happen to know the application rate? How long does it take to work?

Molt-X and AzaGuard both contain 3% azadirachtin and are applied at a rate of 1ml/liter or 3.8mls/Gallon.

Raw710 · Jan 6, 2018

Absolem said:
Molt-X and AzaGuard both contain 3% azadirachtin and are applied at a rate of 1ml/liter or 3.8mls/Gallon.

Great thank you! What kind of coco should I use and do you think I should supplement h202 for maybe more o2 in the medium?

Desert Hydro · Jan 6, 2018

I'm getting fantastic results in tupur so far

Raw710 · Jan 6, 2018

Desert Hydro said:
I'm getting fantastic results in tupur so far

I will have to see if I can find it at my local store

Desert Hydro · Jan 7, 2018

this is 2.5 days in tupur in an almost properly tuned VPD room lol
hand watered once a day, 650ppm no co2. humidity is still a little low for my temps since im using a little shitty humidifier that runs out every few hours and im only there once a day. i average 84 degrees and 70+rh until it runs out then i drop to 60rh

if you cant find it there are a ton of things like it. just tell them you want a good aerated coco mix with perlite and stuff already in it. worst case you could just add perlite to your coco if you cant find it. they add a few more beneficial things in there but work with what you can get.

there is no magic bag. live by the VPD chart, warm and humid with LOTS of airflow and the plants will reward you.

Raw710 · Jan 7, 2018

Desert Hydro said:
this is 2.5 days in tupur in an almost properly tuned VPD room lol
hand watered once a day, 650ppm no co2. humidity is still a little low for my temps since im using a little shitty humidifier that runs out every few hours and im only there once a day. i average 84 degrees and 70+rh until it runs out then i drop to 60rh

if you cant find it there are a ton of things like it. just tell them you want a good aerated coco mix with perlite and stuff already in it. worst case you could just add perlite to your coco if you cant find it. they add a few more beneficial things in there but work with what you can get.

there is no magic bag. live by the VPD chart, warm and humid with LOTS of airflow and the plants will reward you.

Yes the VPD IS VERY IMPORTANT! Do you think 84 f and 70 rh creates the best roots?

Desert Hydro · Jan 8, 2018

i think right around that range is ideal for veg with proper airflow. they all go hand in hand and if one element is off it can mess things up a bit. some more than others.

Raw710 · Jan 13, 2018

Loc Dog said:
First mistake I made when going to coco, was not letting it dry out somewhat in early veg. Watering everyday whether it needs it or not, causes lousy roots. I use airpots, to encourage quick drying. You do not want top to dry, but should lose a lot of weight.

Doing that, I have to feed 2 times a day, because the drink so much.

How much would you let it dry out in early veg? And what size pot or cup were you using?

Raw710 · Jan 13, 2018

Desert Hydro said:
i think right around that range is ideal for veg with proper airflow. they all go hand in hand and if one element is off it can mess things up a bit. some more than others.

What do you think the best N-P-K-CA-mg-s is for coco?

Raw710 · Jan 13, 2018

Desert Hydro said:
I'm getting fantastic results in tupur so far

Have you ever used playgron?

Raw710 · Jan 14, 2018

Sorry I know o say I would post pictures but here is a picture of before and what the roots look like now

Desert Hydro · Jan 14, 2018

damn thats a huge difference. thays exactly what happened to mine. now mine are back on track after the bleach. you could also run 35% h2o2 if you are afraid of bleach. here are mine after getting them healthy again. these are with base nutes, calmag and a tiny amount of bleach in the res. i am now stopping the bleach in the feed res because i am reintroducing beneficial bacteria thats been brewed with kelp and molasses once a week or so.

blumats are known for producing mounds of roots outside of the grow media. mine will be there in a few weeks at this rate

Desert Hydro · Jan 14, 2018

Raw710 said:
Have you ever used playgron?

i think plagron is a European soil company right? never used them but i heard its good quality.

Raw710 · Jan 14, 2018

Desert Hydro said:
i think plagron is a European soil company right? never used them but i heard its good quality.

Bought a couple bags yesterday I will let you know how it turns out

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