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Old 10-22-2018, 02:32 PM #21
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You seem to know a good deal about microbes. More then me for sure. I just know what works gardening from common sense and trial and error. Can i ask you what you think about compost teas?
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It is a little more complicated than that BBB. Different microbes have differing methods of self preservation. You would need to study up on these before drawing conclusions.
For example, some flagellates will encyst when they detect their environment is drying or freezing.

A cyst might exist intact for 100 years or 2 days prior to excysting.



Shit, you are right.


What were they called in the common tongue, water bears or something? Tardigrades I believe was their scientific name.


Not sure if "micro animals" and microbes are in the same category but tardigrades can, if memory serves, even survive vacuum, extreme temperatures for sure.
Makes sense that there are at least some types of microbes that can compete with the tardigrade in terms of survivalism.




So basically, to get back to OP's question, he shouldn't worry too much about it. While freezing solid, even that wouldn't "kill" the soil completely, just part of the microherd would be negatively affected?
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Every single one of the nutrient cycling microbes I've studied has a self preservation routine. If you look at my video you see this in action. It is valuable to use local microbes so if it freezes in your area, this is part of the natural cycle.
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Every single one of the nutrient cycling microbes I've studied has a self preservation routine. If you look at my video you see this in action. It is valuable to use local microbes so if it freezes in your area, this is part of the natural cycle.
Thatís a great point about the indigenous microbes. Iím wanting to make some IMO but canít find wheat mill run anywhere in my area. I even checked our local Co-ops but came up with snake eyes! I actually just posted a thread asking about substitutes I could use for WMR - any suggestions? Hopefully something a little more widely available.
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Use wheat bran.

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10-4. Is that going to be available at a brew store? Iím heading to the Ciudad Grande this morning and Iíll have a rare opportunity to have access to all sorts of stores! I was going to try and pick up some sprouted barley for teas, anyway. Sure would be nice to kill 2 birds with one stone.
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Wmr was used originally because that's what they had it was cheap and a waste product. If u can't get that any grain based chaf or ground up grains will work. Barley wheat rye millet any cereal grain. That's the whole point of knf is using what's there and what's cheap and sustainable. I would assume even sawdust or cardboard even news paper would work just like em1. And any malted grains used to make imo would only be a bonus I would think. Best of luck
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10-4. Is that going to be available at a brew store? Iím heading to the Ciudad Grande this morning and Iíll have a rare opportunity to have access to all sorts of stores! I was going to try and pick up some sprouted barley for teas, anyway. Sure would be nice to kill 2 birds with one stone.
I get wheat bran at livestock feed stores. It is cheap and in 50 lb sacks - about $12

You do not need to make indigenous microbes. Just using some of your local soil will be ample plus spores are in the air for many of them. Take a clue from sour dough bread makers.
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I get wheat bran at livestock feed stores. It is cheap and in 50 lb sacks - about $12

You do not need to make indigenous microbes. Just using some of your local soil will be ample plus spores are in the air for many of them. Take a clue from sour dough bread makers.
I saw this too late, lol! I found wheat bran at a feed store because I was 3 hours from home. No feed stores in my area sell any wheat products. Lol! It wasnít cheap either - $20 for a 50# sack. Malted valet was [i]really[I\] not cheap - $50 for $50#!

Since I got the bran Iím gonna make it anyway. Might not be ďnecessaryĒ but it wonít hurt and itíll be educational. Iím guessing I may be able to get a wide variety in somewhat higher concentrations slightly more quickly? Part of my reasoning is to inoculate some biochar Iím planning to make this winter, in the homemade kiln Iím working on.

Thanks for the reply but I already had it all loaded up before I saw your post. Lol! Oops!
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I saw this too late, lol! I found wheat bran at a feed store because I was 3 hours from home. No feed stores in my area sell any wheat products. Lol! It wasnít cheap either - $20 for a 50# sack. Malted valet was [i]really[I\] not cheap - $50 for $50#!

Since I got the bran Iím gonna make it anyway. Might not be ďnecessaryĒ but it wonít hurt and itíll be educational. Iím guessing I may be able to get a wide variety in somewhat higher concentrations slightly more quickly? Part of my reasoning is to inoculate some biochar Iím planning to make this winter, in the homemade kiln Iím working on.

Thanks for the reply but I already had it all loaded up before I saw your post. Lol! Oops!
Hey go for it. Bran is great for a few things. Growing out nematodes being one.
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