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Old 09-08-2010, 12:21 AM #1
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Angry HELP! raped by caterpillars

Hey guys, the fruits of my labor, literally everything is getting destroyed by caterpillers, Im pulling nugget by nugget by cola off.

these guys are voracious and there are many species. I have been picking them off by hand, If I havent, my plants would surely all be destroyed; however, picking them off aint enough! they keep coming back and they are successfully decreasing my yield by more than half, on top of that the buds are chewed up and covered in shit from all the caterpillars!

I cant stand to see this, all my beautiful buds are dying and its not my fault, If I were to blame for my issues, I would sleep easier at night, I fed them right, did everything perfect and now theyre going down the drain. ANY help or advice guys , please.

I should have taken my own advice that I give to people and plant out earlier to harvest before the damn beasts get too bad, I feel like a hypocrite.

I dont want to spray my plants with anything inorganic or spray at all if I can avoid getting the buds wet, I know as soon as I do so ill get PM and botrytis. I have terrible luck with them and have managed to avoid it almost entirely this season.

next season it would probably best to invest in a pvc hoop house with mesh netting? anyone ever do this?

Thanks everyone, much respect.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:46 AM #2
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Safer cat killer, a little neem, maybe a hit of spinosad depending how far along in flower they are and how comfortable you are with the potential resultant damage to your local honey bee population.

I had em real bad last october, and all I can say is I feel your pain. Keep pickin' the hatched ones off by hand and look things over with a magnifying glass to spot as many unhatched eggs as possible, though that may not be feasible depending on the size of your plants. My experience was that they keep hatching in waves through the fall, and you'll be fighting em off all the way through harvest.

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Old 09-08-2010, 01:34 AM #3
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Unless they are auto flowers, putting them out earlier won't make them finish any earlier.

I had a problem with them last season. Many flowers were ruined by cats eating through the bud, shitting as they went and then the bud molded. This season I have been using azamax since the gals went outside. There is virtually no leaf damage and I see few bugs on the plants.

Since you don't want to spray the flowers, maybe an azamax soil drench is the way to go. However, its a little late to start that program.

Spraying with azamax AND a biological agent that fights mold/pm such as streptomyces l might be a better option for you at present.

How many weeks to go?

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I got em from 1 week to about 4 to go and some are turning now, my plants always seem to flower if i put em out earlier, in fact I try to put em out without getting them to flower and they do it anyways, when I put em out later the daylength is about two hours longer and half my plants turn and half veg a few months before, so I think there is some benefit to it, I have pulled two ladies already that were ravaged but not nearly as bad as the situation now, these pillars are so big they cant be hatching overnight, someone said lube the pots with vaseline, I tried the plants that were getting eaten the worst.

I have azamax and stopped using it when i put them outside, fuckin stupid me. I just didnt see much benefit, they were trees and seemed to be healthy enough to fight anything off, surely not cats tho. Thanks guys, i think ill mist with some azamax or something, that takes months for the regimen to take affect tho, so is there much use to it? also I use SM90 for my PM killer, too bad its also a pistil killer, like nuking a flowering plant.

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Old 09-08-2010, 08:36 AM #5
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Ouch, m8. I was hand-picking those boogers out of my bushes for hours earlier this summer. Definitely a battle you can win, though!
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try this out. I use the safer brand insect killing soap because it's organic and OMRI listed. They can be used up to the day of harvest. Works great for me and have had no problems outside. I haven't tried this particular one, but have tried the insect killing soap with great success for white flies.


I also use "monterey garden insect spray" which is also OMRI listed and can be used up to the day of harvest. This one says it will kill all plant eating bugs. I have had no problems with bugs using this. I did find one small dead caterpillar hanging on a bud about a week ago. He didn't make it past the spray.

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Old 09-08-2010, 09:43 AM #7
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Use Safer BT for caterpillars spray, when the caterpillars eat it they stop eating and don't eat any more, even though you still see them they are causing no damage. The bugs die after a few days. Totally organic won't hurt honey bees or other insects only caterpillars. and foremost will not harm humans in any why.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:32 AM #8
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what is safer BT? its not "caterpillar killer" is it? cos i will not use that product, a friend of mine does and I dont like it, the results he had werent good and he doused his plants it was pretty harsh.

Is BT a different product? I have used their insect soap and it burned the the hell out of my ladies last season so i stay about from anything safer brand, seems like a product more for roses and such flowers.

Now that im thinking, is BT that bacteria? or silicate? that kills the pillars?

Navy that product contains the same potassium fatty acids that I didnt like the effects of, I like something i can thoroughly cover my plants with without worrying about a burn, after seeing what it did to my vegging girls im leary on spraying it on those buds, I really dont wana smoke that stuff either potassium salts, neem and pyretherin don't sound too sweet to puff on. Thanks for the feedback everyone. Anyone know of a pure BT spray?
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Just try soaking them with a neem spray. It wont kill them but it will quickly make them stop eating, and eventually die.
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wait'll you see the turds they leave behind, lots of little poppy seed sized shit. I use BT and or a neem solution
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