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Old 02-10-2019, 02:40 PM #31
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WHO Recommends Rescheduling Cannabis in International Law for First Time in History

The World Health Organization has suggested that cannabis should be downgraded, or "rescheduled," given the mounting evidence showing that the drug could prove beneficial in treating a number of health problems.
This marks a significant change in WHO's position, which for the last 60 years has said that cannabis should not be used in medicine, according to an article in the BMJ.
The WHO Expert Committee on Drug Dependence has recommended that cannabis resin and other marijuana products should be downgraded from a schedule IV to a schedule I drug under international law.
Schedule IV is the strictest category outlined in the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs Treaty, meaning that cannabis is currently treated in the same way as heroin, severely restricting scientists who want to investigate the plant in the search for potential therapies.
The committee also recommended that THC—the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis—should be designated as a schedule I drug to simplify its classification. Currently, THC is classified separately as a schedule IV drug under the 1971 Convention on Narcotic Drugs.
Furthermore, it proposes that products made with a cannabis extract known as cannabidiol, which contain no more than 0.2 percent THC, should be removed from all international drug control conventions.
“The placement of cannabis in the 1961 treaty, in the absence of scientific evidence, was a terrible injustice,” Michael Krawitz, global policy adviser at the nonprofit advocacy organization FAAAT that campaigns for the medical use of the drug, told the BMJ. “The World Health Organization has gone a long way toward setting the record straight.”


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they don't "control" it now. they try, and fail repeatedly. they WILL tax it, just like everything else sold...
Of course they don't have control over it YET; they just proposed the bill.
The point is that they want to control it and they will control it. That's why they proposed the bill.
The federal government doesn't deserve any tax money from marijuana; ever! Stop thinking that it's normal that every level of government DESERVES to get money from every transaction. Local governments think they deserve a cut, county governments want their cut, state governments want their cut and now the federal government thinks they deserve a cut. They don't. Can't you see it's a big racket?
All this bill will do is jack up the prices on marijuana products even further and it will take more control out of the hands of citizens. You can also forget about being allowed to grow your own; the fed will never allow that.
They will also probably ban concentrates too. The federal government will add so many levels of regulation that the price to bring marijuana to market will escalate.
Stop thinking that being a good little conformist to the establishment is a good thing. The establishment just wants your money, it wants to take away your freedoms and it wants to control you.
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Stop thinking that being a good little conformist to the establishment is a good thing. The establishment just wants your money, it wants to take away your freedoms and it wants to control you.
Taxing the people was supposed to be temporary to help with war debt.
Now people think they need to be taxed on everything or it is not normal.
Some people think they can not function without the Govt. telling them what they should and should not be doing.

I don't really believe in mind control but this is the sort of thing that makes me think I should.
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armedoldhippy I understand and agree about regulations and such.

Cannabis is unlike any other plant. Or any other drug.

This is unprecedented. People are either free or there are contradictory laws, is the way I see it.

There are a couple of past precedents including the lies and court testimony of tobacco reps. There is likely evidence of anti-cannabis testimony by people in government. And the history with alcohol prohibition. Cannabis is 100% completely the opposite - this is a major point. A "tax" can be 0.5% or 95%, similar, "rules" can exist for different reasons.

That is one thing about voting. Sure I may cast a ballot but I did not actually ask for any gov't officials to be there. The only reason gov't is making any rules it because it wants to. Without human intervention (or citizen instruction, rather than "resistance") the gov't will do whatever it wants apparently. Just because choices are given on a ballot doesn't mean I asked for either one. The gov't doesn't wait until asking the citizens what it should do. The idea of who is the partner or co-owner, not manager or worker, is perhaps distorted.

There may be resistance to this philosophically. As more individuals pick up that they can become growers of their own medicine and begin sustaining themselves in a positive way the proponents of stimulants and low wage labor may begin to lose momentum. For example learning how to cook, make repairs, build tools or shelter on your own rather than hiring or paying others for relatively trivial tasks. Some people spend a good part of their day looking at a phone screen but if they started using and growing cannabis they might shut it off once in a while.

Every consumer may not end up a grower. Friends, family, and social groups have served cannabis needs in the past. Without any real harm of pesticide poisoning that we know of, more than any other food or drug out there. Especially cigarettes, certified FDA combustible formaldehyde. You can search top ten pesticide produce to see what else is out there.

When you add all of that up, your own carbon consumption goes down, and your effort can be directed at what suits your own health best. Not working for someone else to serve their needs. Why drive or move 5 hours away to work in a greenhouse for $8 an hour when I can stay in one spot and grow here? Because of taxes, or rules, from this government? It doesn't add up.

Police raids for cocaine or heroin are bad enough, but cannabis is 100% not cocaine or heroin or alcohol or meth.

One thing I do not see much media coverage on is how much of the drug problem by population is from pharmaceuticals? And are they sourced in the US or another country legally or illegally? In other words is the Drug Enforcement Agency investigating or working with the pharmaceutical industry, if so in what ways?

If cannabis can replace fentanyl the absolute last thing I want is for the same company to be even remotely involved. Slight tangent but this more or less uniformly applies to any cannabis company in the sense of investors and my understanding of this stock market. Good businesses and investors exist but the goal of cannabis to heal does not play well with shark tank or wall street language and behavior.

There is an apparent lack of understanding or disconnect treating cannabis as a medicine rather than a harmful substance. It may be the only risk of harm or danger cannabis ever posed is due to being illegal.

Only those taught (incorrectly) that it is harmful behave as such. Here we are speaking explicitly but throughout this country and elsewhere an anti-cannabis culture may persist in people's minds, and be linked to other social "values." Re-teaching an entire population may take generations instead of a few years.

Many of us remember reefer madness propaganda as a piece of evidence and US congress is past retirement age.

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Of course they don't have control over it YET; they just proposed the bill.
The point is that they want to control it and they will control it. That's why they proposed the bill.
The federal government doesn't deserve any tax money from marijuana; ever! Stop thinking that it's normal that every level of government DESERVES to get money from every transaction. Local governments think they deserve a cut, county governments want their cut, state governments want their cut and now the federal government thinks they deserve a cut. They don't. Can't you see it's a big racket?
All this bill will do is jack up the prices on marijuana products even further and it will take more control out of the hands of citizens. You can also forget about being allowed to grow your own; the fed will never allow that.
They will also probably ban concentrates too. The federal government will add so many levels of regulation that the price to bring marijuana to market will escalate.
Stop thinking that being a good little conformist to the establishment is a good thing. The establishment just wants your money, it wants to take away your freedoms and it wants to control you.
if it is against the law (as it is now) and they cannot control it, exactly what new law do you think WILL allow them to "control" it? laws do not control people that will not relinquish control. sure, there will be those swept up by unfortunately being found in violation of any law, but cannabis CANNOT be controlled beyond our willingness to allow it to be. same way with guns etc. the police state has failed for nearly 80 years to control it, and you think a law taxing it will do the job? LOL!
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With a license requirement, they can track it. If they can track it, they can tax it. If they can tax it, they will legalize it.

Taxation is the opposite of legalization.


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Because if you don't pay the tax then your considered to be evading it.


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Legaization is just about getting the blackmarket money in the hands of the already rich.
Once they have control you will be stuck with mail order buds.
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I tried to warn of this but I was laughed at.

This seems to be the new catch phrase.
I voted for legalization, but now I have to grow illegally because legalization is too oppressive.
The only thing to change with legalization is the hand the money is flowing to, it now belongs to the already rich bussiness man instead of the pot heads of the world.

This is not good for anyone but the already rich.

I cant understand that, it should be legal, it should be made so that everyone can benefit from it, you just want you and your friends to line your own pockets "like the rich" you like the monopoly, i think it should be completely legal for people to grow their own fields of it.. i've had bad experiences with it when i was little, i took a huge bong rip and tripped the fuck out.. i've learned to accept it and i can tell you that i think its something people just have to learn to accept, even if they dont understand.
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So the substance that the government told me was dangerous and had zero medicinal value, is now no longer dangerous, and I need to pay the federal government a cut anytime I grow a plant or smoke a joint? Fuck legalization. I'd rather grow bud and give it away for free than let some paper pusher in Washington DC take my hard work away from me under threat of prison.
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In this day and age, the only way to achieve good legislation is for activist parties to craft model legislation, to guide lawmakers in achieving proper and desired ends...so TO that end, I have put together the following document:

The Cannabis Restoration Act

Preamble:
WHEREAS the plant species known collectively as /Cannabis sativa/ has provided humankind with paper, cloth, rope, medicines, glues balms, and benefits of every sort for centuries; and

WHEREAS /Cannabis/ has made these gifts freely available to all people without injury, harm, or ill-effects to the user, the farmer, the processor, the purveyor for the entire history of human knowledge and utility thereof; and

WHEREAS the prohibition of Cannabis has deprived industries of all kinds of important raw materials, to their impoverishment; the medical profession of an important aid in tending human health and well-being inexpensively and effectively; farmers of an important crop of many uses to field and livestock; and the people of a ready source of ease, comfort, and enjoyment to their detriment;

IT IS THE INTENT OF CONGRESS to right these wrongs by overturning the improper and unwise removal of Cannabis and all its products from human activity and commerce, in spite of the best advice of business, medicine, industry and the public and in contravention of the norms of productive human activity; and in doing so, restore cannabis to the fields and farms and homes and hospitals of the Citizens of these United States, where it was once of the greatest value and utility for many purposes great and small.

To this end, the honorable Men and Women representing the nation hereby declare the removal, effective immediately, of cannabis in whole and in part, from the Schedule of Controlled Substances; the elimination of all federal laws, regulations, and penalties heretofore enforced against the plant cannabis, its parts and products, and against those who have produced, provided, and / or made use of any part or portion thereof; the abrogation and nullification of all laws and regulations, at the State, the County, and the Municipal levels, that have been instituted for the purpose of governing, controlling, limiting, prohibiting, and / or punishing the cultivation, processing, and / or distribution of said plants, parts, and portions, and / or the customary uses thereof; the immediate release of all persons tried and convicted and sentenced, in consequence of the laws and regulations abrogated by this Act; the expungement of criminal records for all those of all those individuals so released, the termination of any and all interdictions, disqualifications, and ineligibilities suffered by said persons described herein.

FURTHER, we entreat the President to negotiate with our treaty partners an end to any and all such provisions of any treaty, to which our Nation is Signatory, as may violate the expressed purpose and intent of this Act.

CONSEQUENT to these purposes, and in acknowledgement of the fact that certain Cannabis products may be rightly intended for consumption, we direct and empower the Department of Agriculture to institute systems whereby such consumable products may be certified as free from toxic additives and unwholesome admixtures, and further, free of inert additions, so that the availability of honest weights and measures, and truthful and accurate representation of such, may be assured to commerce and the public.
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