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Home cultivation “creates a significant public safety risk!"

shaggyballs

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This is the argument being put forth to end home growing or preventing it.

I feel it is total B.S.

What are the actual facts of this matter?
Where is the threat to public safety?


https://www.marijuanamoment.net/mar...ban-cannabis-home-cultivation-document-shows/

“The Fallacy of Home Grow” makes very specific—and, in the eyes of advocates, misleading—arguments against allowing marijuana cultivation for personal use.

The group recognized that people want home cultivation because of “currently high prices of medical marijuana” or because they see it as an “individual civil liberty.” But according to NYMCIA, home cultivation “creates a significant public safety and black market risk.”

The industry organization listed five claims to support that argument:
1. Home grow will make it impossible for the state to eliminate the black market.

2. Home grow will make it impossible for law enforcement to distinguish between legal and illegal products, thus frustrating enforcement efforts.

3. Home grow will undermine the state’s harm reduction goal of ensuring that cannabis sold in New York State is grown without noxious pesticides or other contaminants.

4. Home grow will undermine the state’s public health interest in ensuring that cannabis sold in New York State is tested, packaged, and and labeled correctly.

5. Home grow will cost the state tax revenue, thus hindering the state’s ability to fund priorities such as drug abuse treatment and community investment.


Per that last point, it’s entirely reasonable to assume that New York state would miss out on some sales tax revenue if residents decided to grow their own plants. But the other side of that dilemma is that it’d likely mean missed profits for cannabis businesses, including those affiliated with NYMCIA.

“From our perspective, it’s really hard to see any real reason—other than individual and corporate greed—to be against home cultivation at this point,” Erik Altieri, executive director of NORML, told Marijuana Moment in a phone interview. “There’s not a lot of rational concerns when it comes to allowing a limited amount of plants for an individual to grow at home.”

Melissa Moore, New York deputy state director of the Drug Policy Alliance, also pushed back against NYMCIA’s claim that a home grow option would make eliminating the illicit market “impossible.”

It’s the “fallacy of ‘The Fallacy of Home Grow,'” as she put it. It would make more sense to attribute difficulties reducing illicit market sales to state tax rates on retail cannabis, she said in a phone interview.

“It’s really disingenuous to try to say that it would not be possible to eliminate the illicit market if we allow for home grow. That certainly hasn’t been the experience of other states that allow home grow.”

Moreover, NYMCIA’s position is not consistent with that of other marijuana industry groups such as the National Cannabis Industry Association (NCIA), which argues that allowing home growing can actually benefit businesses.

“NCIA does not oppose limited home cultivation,” Morgan Fox, media relations director at the group, said in an email. “In fact, it can act as an incubator for people to develop skills which can be used in the legal cannabis industry, which benefits businesses as well as individuals looking to enter the market. Much like home brewing has helped spur interest the craft beer market, limited home cannabis cultivation can do the same in legal states.”

Who is involved in NYMCIA and why do they want to ban home cultivation?
Marijuana companies Columbia Care, Etain, PharmaCann, The Botanist and Acreage NY, Vireo Health and MedMen were all listed as members of NYMCIA in the memo to Cuomo’s office. (MedMen later acquired PharmaCann, and more recently, NYMCIA urged MedMen to leave the association amid a controversy over racist remarks allegedly made by the company’s executives).

(A separate controversy previously enveloped Columbia Care, which owns dispensaries and grow facilities in multiple states, after its Massachusetts-based subsidiary, Patriot Care, was discovered to be advocating against letting certain people with past drug convictions work in the legal cannabis industry).

Acreage Holdings, a cannabis firm that Republican former U.S. House Speaker John Boehner joined as a board member, declined to comment for this story through a public relations firm that represents the company.

A MedMen spokesperson said in a statement to Marijuana Moment that it “respects the right of those who choose to cultivate cannabis for their personal use,” but did not respond to specific questions about the company’s involvement in drafting the policy statement that urged New York officials to continue prohibiting such activity.

Jeremy Unruh, director of public and regulatory affairs at PharmaCann, told Marijuana Moment that the document “was our industry association’s first go at formulating some broad policy positions” prior to meeting with the governor’s office and that the company’s “position on home grow is far more nuanced than a simple approve/oppose.”

“Those policy points you have are sound, but our positions have evolved (and will continue to do so) as we’ve had a chance to socialize these concepts” with other stakeholders, Unruh said. He argued that New York has superior quality control standards in place for medical cannabis and that while the company recognizes “the nature and value of civil liberty” of home cultivation, allowing it would pose public health risks.

But ultimately, “Our position is this: We support the governor’s homegrow proposal,” he wrote in an email.

While recommending that lawmakers ban personal cultivation of recreational marijuana, Cuomo did include a home grow option for medical cannabis patients in his budget plan.

(Full disclosure: Several members of the companies involved in NYMCIA support Marijuana Moment through monthly Patreon pledges, or have in the past.)

Cannabis reform advocates aren’t buying NYMCIA’s claims.
It is quite obvious that NYMCIA’s affiliates have a financial stake in the shape of whatever marijuana law eventually emerges from the New York legislature. And their opposition to a home grow option is a point of concern for advocacy groups.

“[T]o advocate against home cultivation given all we know about how it works in practice from the industry side really just is kind of despicable and illustrates their greed, that they’re willing to sacrifice individual freedoms for the slightest increase in their profits,” NORML’s Altieri said.

The association’s recommendation also runs counter to what Marijuana Moment was previously told by the vice president of corporate communications for Vireo Health, Albe Zakes.

Asked about the memo following the initial Politico report that only vaguely described the document, Zakes wrote in an email that “our CEO and COO assured me that we’ve never lobbied against home grow and in fact support home grow as part of larger legislation, as long as it is regulated and controlled in a responsible manner, the same way medical or recreational markets would be, in order to protect consumers.”

(Vireo CEO Aaron Hoffnung signed an Internal Revenue Service financial disclosure form for NYMCIA last year as one of the association’s directors.)

Marijuana Moment sent a follow-up request for comment after obtaining the policy statement through the public records request, but Zakes said the he was unable to reach the company’s executives and so Vireo would have to decline the opportunity for further comment.

Advocates question whether NYMCIA leveraged its influence for the right reasons.
Is the worry really that a home cultivation policy would sustain an illicit market or complicate law enforcement activities in New York? Are concerns about the public health impact genuine? Or is it that cannabis businesses want the entire market to themselves?

“We need to make sure that we have a check on the potential greed of the industry that we can already see in these early stages based on this advocacy document,” Altieri said. “We need to make sure that the market in New York not only begins to address all the harms caused by the war on cannabis but also is oriented toward the consumer and not large industry interests.”

“Banning home cultivation benefits no one but corporations and large industry groups.”

Despite Cuomo including the home grow ban in his proposal, it seems that advocates may get more time to voice their concerns about the policy. Some leading lawmakers such as Senate President Andrea Stewart-Cousins (D) are increasingly doubtful that marijuana reform will make it into the final state budget, meaning that negotiations on separate legalization legislation could end up resulting in a law that allows consumers to grow their own cannabis.

Marijuana Moment reached out to NYMCIA itself, Cuomo’s office, Etain and Columbia Care for comment, but representatives did not respond to multiple inquiries by the time of publication.
 

soil margin

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Yeah 80+ years of a failed drug war show us that it is impossible for the state to eliminate the black market. And I'm tired of the the argument that public safety should trump personal liberty. Freedom always comes first.
 

dank.frank

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Tell that to the Patriot Act. Unfortunately, prohibition was NEVER over and everyone getting soft by the states granted them "rights" has only allowed for the Rx companies to work safely on an alternative so they can put the lid back on things and profit with their lab made garbage.



dank.Frank
 
"Public" safety issues, that word public is a trick. Because they the "private" want to control the market and I hope the opposition finds out that there's more people growing now than ever before, and I highly doubt most people are going to just quit because the corporatism wants our human rights to capitalize and control everything. Soon enough you will need a permit to take a shit if they have their way..
 

EvergreenState

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As usual the state's rights and interests are more important than individual rights. Keep voting for Democrats, who are 100% about the STATE and the STATE'S interests and this is what you will always get. The Republican's are all about big business.
So you have one aide of the isle looking out for the STATE and the other side is looking out for corporate interests. Who is looking out for individual rights? Nobody and that is why we have fewer and fewer rights.
Oh and by the way, the state will allows hundreds of pesticides for commercial grows. They will test for some and as long as the residue is low, it will pass. If the growers use pesticides that are not on the state's list to test, it can exceed the safe limits 100 times over. That's what was found in Washington.
The Democrat run state looks out for revenues and the Republicans look out for corporate interests. New York can look forward to expensive pot and believe me, you will have no idea what will be on those buds. Have fun with your legal pot.
 

soil margin

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Soon enough you will need a permit to take a shit if they have their way..

I wish I could say you were wrong here. Every year since 9/11 has been attacks on personal liberty. Not all have been successful, but still, we certainly aren't as free as we were the day before 9/11. I'm pretty young so 9/11 is a vivid memory for me but if you look at the history books pretty much every year since 1776 has been assaults on personal liberty and freedom. It's almost as if it seems to be the inherent nature of a government to attempt and oppress it's citizens.
 

JustSumTomatoes

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I remember when the 9/11 attacks happened people were saying "they did it because they hate our freedom!" Though I know that's not why it happened, I can't help but recognize the irony coming with a twist of fate.
 

yesum

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^^ Tomatoes need to be commercially grown too, no homegrown anymore. It is for the children.

I think I hate NY more than California now and that is saying something.
 

bigAl25

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They will never, and I mean FUCKING NEVER, eliminate home grows, but this is coming from someone who prefers his own stuff over whatever is sold legally or illegally. What dumbasses, or is greed the driving force. Moonshine never stopped and neither will we be stopped by misguided laws or regulations.
 

MJPassion

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These politicians and greedy stake holders have such a bad case of cranial rectumitis that even a plexadectomy could help them to see better!


Mrs. Moore sees the deal exactly for what it is!
Anywhere there are taxes, a black market will form in order to avoid those taxes.


A plexadectomy is the surgical insertion of a 3x5 piece of plexiglass into the abdominal cavity, near the belly button, so that one can see where one is going while they're suffering from cranial rectumitis.
 

MJPassion

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Yeah 80+ years of a failed drug war show us that it is impossible for the state to eliminate the black market. And I'm tired of the the argument that public safety should trump personal liberty. Freedom always comes first.


Any man that gives up liberty for safety deserves neither.
Ben Franklin
 

Easy7

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If they had some actual brains when writing laws it would help. Males and fires are a big issue. I've never been one to want to sell anything but philosophy. The philosophy is far more dangerous than the drug. So mind your mind. Weed helps me do that. Good weed. I've seen so much junk weed that people rant and rave about it's disgusting. It's a lot of investment so I am out for a long long time.
 

shaggyballs

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All very good points!
What is next?
Indoor vegetable gardens are a significant public safety risk!
They too must go!
In my state you go to prison for selling milk....WTF?

Are they going to take grandma away and put her in a home because she is a danger to herself for having too many house plants too?
 

bigtacofarmer

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Had a fan I kept hitting my head on. One day after getting up off the floor I decided to mount a 2x4 right in front of it. Growing has not harmed me since.
 

shaggyballs

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These politicians and greedy stake holders have such a bad case of cranial rectumitis that even a plexadectomy could help them to see better!


Mrs. Moore sees the deal exactly for what it is!
Anywhere there are taxes, a black market will form in order to avoid those taxes.


A plexadectomy is the surgical insertion of a 3x5 piece of plexiglass into the abdominal cavity, near the belly button, so that one can see where one is going while they're suffering from cranial rectumitis.

Nice one bro!:tiphat:

Home growing creates a significant safety risk to the corporate cannabis paycheck.
 

igrowone

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just part of Cuomo's plan for corporate weed
the NY legislation is in some trouble, many in the legislature have qualms about fast legal MJ
fast in the sense Cuomo is trying to sneak it through in the budget process
not working at the moment, the louder the voice of the schills the better
they're loud because they're afraid they won't get everything
 

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