Can someone tell me wtf this is?

BioBuddha · Nov 5, 2016

They also posted something called "rose gold" pretty much looked like this but it was still liquid. I've never seen anything like this before. My understanding was the purest form of THC is a crystalline structure. And anything in this consistency would max at about 95% ish because you need other compounds present to keep it in this consistency.

I'm new to the industry so please correct me if I am wrong and tell me wtf this is. Thanks!

Old Gold · Nov 5, 2016

That is probably ∆9-THC distillate. Cannibanoids exist as cannibanoid-acids in the plant (THCa, CBDa, etc), which are crystalline. In the distillation process (a form of purification), these cannibanoids have to be heated up, causing a reaction called "decarboxylation." This is basically CO2 detaching itself from the THC molecule. The resulting THC is orally active and smokeable, and usually like a very thick sap/resin, whereas THCa crystals are not orally active (crossing over to your brain, that is. Medicinal value is different). THCa crystals exist within the solution that we generally call "shatter".

BioBuddha · Nov 5, 2016

Old Gold said:
That is probably ∆9-THC distillate. Cannibanoids exist as cannibanoid-acids in the plant (THCa, CBDa, etc), which are crystalline. In the distillation process (a form of purification), these cannibanoids have to be heated up, causing a reaction called "decarboxylation." This is basically CO2 detaching itself from the THC molecule. The resulting THC is orally active and smokeable, and usually like a very thick sap/resin, whereas THCa crystals are not orally active (crossing over to your brain, that is. Medicinal value is different). THCa crystals exist within the solution that we generally call "shatter".

Thanks for your reply. I've successfully made "clear" through fractional distillation. Are they doing that process here you think? How have they completely removed all golden hue?

Old Gold · Nov 5, 2016

Very high purity, and they probably used different absorbents to help decolor it. Search for a thread titled "Short Path Distillation"...some of these methods are referred to in there.

I'm interested in the temperature at which the picture was taken.

"Clear" is activated, near pure ∆9-THC. That's also my best guess from the picture. You could probably achieve similar results by slowly and precisely decarboxylating a sample of pure THCa crystals.

montroller · Nov 5, 2016

I always wonder the temperature when I see pictures like this... how hard would it be to smash out some distillate on parchment, pop it in the freezer and snap a pic like this.

But I also heard something about using salt water to help remove any moisture before distilling will help make it stable like this. I wish I could explain it better but it was a little beyond my level when the guy was explaining it to me.

Old Gold · Nov 5, 2016

Roji. There is a picture of you holding a massive slab of distillate. Share the room conditions or forever be known as the Bunk Chemist!

montroller · Nov 5, 2016

Those pictures still have me scratching my head... I really wish Roji was more forthcoming with info

weedaholic721 · Nov 5, 2016

From my understanding, they are just distilling nug run material instead of waste material as most extractors. They may be pre filtering will a adsorbant like silica , diatomaceous earth, carbon, etc etc

Gotta be a cold room, if it was stable like that we would see pictures from patients as well.

Old Gold · Nov 5, 2016

weedaholic721 said:
From my understanding, they are just distilling nug run material instead of waste material as most extractors. They may be pre filtering will a adsorbant like silica , diatomaceous earth, carbon, etc etc

Gotta be a cold room, if it was stable like that we would see pictures from patients as well.

What components would be present in a nug run distillate as opposed to any other distillate that makes it so stable?? I can't add that math up in my head however I try to rationalize..

krunchbubble · Nov 5, 2016

montroller said:
Those pictures still have me scratching my head... I really wish Roji was more forthcoming with info

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Dude got too big of a head now...

He used to be cool, money sure changes people...

Roji · Nov 5, 2016

krunchbubble said:
Dude got too big of a head now...

He used to be cool, money sure changes people...

hah. I was never cool, you dumb ass.

My distillate pics are from about room temp down to about 65f...

I can barely get it out of a syringe at room temp.

Old Gold · Nov 5, 2016

It takes me a good 5 seconds to get a single dab of the distillate I'm smoking on right now out of a syringe at 70-80°F.

SkyHighLer · Nov 5, 2016

Roji said:
hah. I was never cool, you dumb ass.

My distillate pics are from about room temp down to about 65f...

I can barely get it out of a syringe at room temp.

I had noticed you'd pulled a 'thread' (in the lower left section.)

Thanks for the kindness.

:tiphat:

Gray Wolf · Nov 6, 2016

BioBuddha said:
They also posted something called "rose gold" pretty much looked like this but it was still liquid. I've never seen anything like this before. My understanding was the purest form of THC is a crystalline structure. And anything in this consistency would max at about 95% ish because you need other compounds present to keep it in this consistency.

I'm new to the industry so please correct me if I am wrong and tell me wtf this is. Thanks!

It looks like the extract Pharmer Joe and I got extracting early harvest Skywalker. Almost no color in thin films and goes gray to black with depth, instead of to dark amber.

We extracted the material frozen and used ~-30C 70/30 mix to extract with.

Jonny Lan · Nov 6, 2016

i heard this stuff has low terps

montroller · Nov 7, 2016

Not just low it has no terps at all

BioBuddha · Nov 7, 2016

Gray Wolf said:
It looks like the extract Pharmer Joe and I got extracting early harvest Skywalker. Almost no color in thin films and goes gray to black with depth, instead of to dark amber.

We extracted the material frozen and used ~-30C 70/30 mix to extract with.

So this was achieved just messing with flower material? ie. early harvest and specific strain? BHO blast and distilled? I've just never seen this color anywhere unless it has been turned into a crystalline structure. Very interesting.

Goldleaflabs · Nov 7, 2016

BioBuddha said:
Thanks for your reply. I've successfully made "clear" through fractional distillation. Are they doing that process here you think? How have they completely removed all golden hue?

Keep distilling. If distilling once removes some color then repeating would do the same no? Nothing says you couldn't keep distilling to remove color. Although at some point you would reach the limit of its effectiveness, and I imagine that would be before you could get it to the shade pictured.
For that you would likely need an additional step to purify. A commonly used method in labs is chromatography and if you went that route you could create super pure products but the method generally isn't for industrial or commercial production. For that you might try using carbon after dewaxing.
I have another method I'm working on that is qualitatively pretty effective, but I need to see some numbers first. I need to find out how much cannabinoids are lost in the process.

Gray Wolf · Nov 8, 2016

BioBuddha said:
Thanks for your reply. I've successfully made "clear" through fractional distillation. Are they doing that process here you think? How have they completely removed all golden hue?

I don't think that is a clear, because it is too stiff. Clear has been decarboxylated.

Just a straight early harvest extract from Sky Walker will give you exactly that color and consistency.

Pharmer Joe bleaches amber color from clear using a mixture of bentonite clays and chromatography beads. It comes out very light, but not that color or consistency.

Gray Wolf · Nov 8, 2016

krunchbubble said:
Dude got too big of a head now...

He used to be cool, money sure changes people...

Roji sure helped SPR partner Pharmer Joe develop our THCa crystal production, and who thinks he is still a kool dude!

Sadly, once you start consulting, because of non disclosure agreements, not everyone can share everything with impunity, including myself.

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