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Old 01-16-2018, 02:36 PM #31
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@JohnnyChicago, can you give some insight into how and why you selected the three males you did for progeny testing? You said you grew out 40+ plants, so you must've seen a bunch of males. Why did you keep those three?

In short, I discarded circa 25% during the first 2 weeks, another 25% during initial stretch, 2/3 of the rest were females, had only 6 males left and kept the 3 best. I remember I called male#1 "the stinkiest" before I knew he was a male. He was the smelliest of all in veg, had the thickest stems, the widest leafs and had the most compact growth.
Same with male#3. I called him "the sexiest"and was able to smell something special out of its leafs before he outed as male and he was the last one to show sex.

All the other OH's had pretty much the same growth and smell. Male#2 was kept because out of the last 4 males he was the best representative of Original Haze. In his crosses I had similar restults I had with the OHxPCK crosses I tested.

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Left an Oldtimers Haze, right is OH male#3 (both from seed)
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Old 01-16-2018, 07:14 PM #33
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In short, I discarded circa 25% during the first 2 weeks, another 25% during initial stretch, 2/3 of the rest were females, had only 6 males left and kept the 3 best. I remember I called male#1 "the stinkiest" before I knew he was a male. He was the smelliest of all in veg, had the thickest stems, the widest leafs and had the most compact growth.
Same with male#3. I called him "the sexiest"and was able to smell something special out of its leafs before he outed as male and he was the last one to show sex.

All the other OH's had pretty much the same growth and smell. Male#2 was kept because out of the last 4 males he was the best representative of Original Haze. In his crosses I had similar results I had with the OHxPCK crosses I tested.
Thanks for that. So you discarded 25% of the seedlings at 2 weeks into flower or at 2 weeks from seed? What characteristics were you keeping and discarding? Again, what were your selection criteria during the stretch? Looking for plants that stretched least?

I ask because I've only been growing for a year but am interested in some hobby breeding and want to understand how breeders make their selection decisions, and your breeding goals are aligned with mine.

I kept a couple males from my recent Angel's Breath grow and the haze-leaner male that I liked had essentially no smell through about 5 weeks of flowering. I haven't tested his progeny yet, and because nothing about that male except the structure seemed interesting, I wasn't sure whether it would be worth the effort to test his progeny.
Then someone showed me this old post from Joshua Hazen on the MNS forum:

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Just so you know for future reference, generally when working with haze strains, males with little smell, are often the most haze like, and stoniest.
Next time, you may want to try smoking the leaf before you cull it, if it is from a haze line, you may be shocked by how stony it is.
It would seem that you did the final selection of your males for progeny testing based on a whiff you got during veg. Excellent work.

I appreciate any information you care to share with me. Thanks.
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Smoke test the tops of the males just before they start making clusters.
Clip a few from the sides of the plant near the top and let them dry on a computer or cable box or something warm since you'll be in a hurry.
Tops like this from a good sativa male will get you blasted.
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Just so you know for future reference, generally when working with haze strains, males with little smell, are often the most haze like, and stoniest.
Next time, you may want to try smoking the leaf before you cull it, if it is from a haze line, you may be shocked by how stony it is
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This may be ture for Haze hybrids, but not for Original Haze.
Breeding with OH is easy. Almost every male will improve the strain it's crossed with. This has been stated by the breeder many times and I can only confirm this. Females do not breed that well (did also some testing on the seeds I did with females) That's one of the things Im trying to say with this thread, look at the males.

But with Haze hybrids I would not use a male but would cross my favourite hazy female with an inbred male.
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no? females don't breed well??? and what about OH x skunk1? not good?
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no? females don't breed well??? and what about OH x skunk1? not good?

Why no good? Do you really think the breeder used only 5 packs of "cheap" Seedsman seeds to select the mother of that strain?

I have progeny tested 3 males and 5 females that had been selected out of 5 packs of Seedman's Original Haze and the progeny of the males is by far better. That's all what Im saying.
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Old 01-20-2018, 02:32 AM #39
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This may be ture for Haze hybrids, but not for Original Haze.
Breeding with OH is easy. Almost every male will improve the strain it's crossed with. This has been stated by the breeder many times and I can only confirm this. Females do not breed that well (did also some testing on the seeds I did with females) That's one of the things Im trying to say with this thread, look at the males.

But with Haze hybrids I would not use a male but would cross my favourite hazy female with an inbred male.
this sounds like general statement and that's why I react. even OldCoolSativa used word "generally" in his/her question... either way cant comment your haze experience much if its limited to 50 seeds of cheap haze seeds.. though I don't understand term cheap seeds.
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It's not his work. He's just bastardized it for profit. Gascan is a crook and a liar.

I'd quit growing cannabis before I grew a seed from him.



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So the whole thing with it being old seed stock from Clackamas Coot (some of which he got from Nevil etc.) that was revived is not true?
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