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Old 11-27-2016, 04:43 PM #41
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Awesome job Mystic, your killing it!
Just a thought my Oaxacan from 79 ran pretty good sized seeds, Just my 2 cents. looking forward to your progress.



Thank you very much vermontman!
We'll see what I get out of these seeds.
That would be awesome if I got something like your 79 Oaxacan!
that's just what I hear about the seed size I could be wrong?




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Thank you very much vermontman!
We'll see what I get out of these seeds.
That would be awesome if I got something like your 79 Oaxacan!
that's just what I hear about the seed size I could be wrong?




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You are most welcome Mystic!
As a general rule I think you are correct, and of course there were and are still many different growers and strains in Oaxaca region alone. I wish I could go back in time to the farm my Oaxacan came from to see them growing there, it must have be quite a sight. I believe the earliest flowering plants you get from your bounty may be just that. Mine flowered beautifully back in 79 by mid Oct, That could be your key to selecting those out.
Another clue is even if some flower more quickly if they don't bulk up with big buds from seed under lights don't be disappointed, mine don't. But cuts of those under lights get quite bulky.
I have my fingers crossed for you.
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Copalita Oaxacan - 4

Mystic Funk, very interesting project.

I'd categorize phenotypes by a combination of leaf size,growth structure, and aroma. E

Extreme NLD - P1 landrace Mexican varieties might flower for + 20 weeks. NLD / WLD P1 landrace Mexican varieties might flower for 11 - 12 weeks. Taliban, drug cartels introduced hybridization fairly early in Mexico. I'm sure your friend saved seeds from his or her favorites. i wish i still had the coffee can of 1975 Highland Oaxacan Gold seeds.

Elchisicas (sp?) here on IcMag noted 8 cannabis varieites were grown in Oaxaca.

Most of the Acapulco Gold grows I've seen had WLD influence. 1960 - 1970 Acapuclo Gold would probably flower for 17 - 19 weeks. Mexicani-ar noted that Bodhi's Acapulco Gold flowers for 17 - 19 weeks.

I selected two long flowering phenotypes from 2010 Copalita Oaxacan. Copalita - 1 flowers for 16 weeks and Copalita - 4 flowers for 20 weeks. The high and growth structure from Copalita - 1 is Mexican all the way. The high from Copalita - 4 is Asian influenced.

Colombian seeds are dark brown with black mottling / striping. Colombian leaves would be ultra thin NLD even as seedlings.

SamS did a contest / question where he ask. The mother came from a plant with small seeds and the father came from a plant with big seeds. What size will the seeds of the progeny be? The answer is small as seed size follows calyx size, and the female traits determine calyx size. Calyx size is a factor of the grow, bigger mature plants will have bigger calyxes, smaller mature plants will have bigger seeds. In general extreme NLD sativas will have smaller seeds and WLD indicas, bigger seeds.

The calyx size on Copalita Oaxacan -4 ( 20 weeks) are tiny and if the pollen took the seeds will be tiny.


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You are most welcome Mystic!
As a general rule I think you are correct, and of course there were and are still many different growers and strains in Oaxaca region alone. I wish I could go back in time to the farm my Oaxacan came from to see them growing there, it must have be quite a sight. I believe the earliest flowering plants you get from your bounty may be just that. Mine flowered beautifully back in 79 by mid Oct, That could be your key to selecting those out.
Another clue is even if some flower more quickly if they don't bulk up with big buds from seed under lights don't be disappointed, mine don't. But cuts of those under lights get quite bulky.
I have my fingers crossed for you.
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Mystic Funk, very interesting project.

I'd categorize phenotypes by a combination of leaf size,growth structure, and aroma. Elcha

Extreme NLD - P1 landrace Mexican varieties might flower for + 20 weeks. NLD / WLD P1 landrace Mexican varieties might flower for 11 - 12 weeks. Taliban, drug cartels introduced hybridization fairly early in Mexico. I'm sure your friend saved seeds from his or her favorites. i wish i still had the coffee can of 1975 Highland Oaxacan Gold seeds.

Elchasicas noted 8 cannabis varieites were grown in Oaxaca.

Most of the Acapulco Gold grows I've seen had WLD influence. 1960 - 1970 Acapuclo Gold would probably flower for 17 - 19 weeks. Mexicani-ar noted that Bodhi's Acapulco Gold flowers for 17 - 19 weeks.

I selected two long flowering phenotypes from 2010 Copalita Oaxacan. Copalita - 1 flowers for 16 weeks and Copalita - 4 flowers for 20 weeks. The high and growth structure from Copalita - 1 is Mexican all the way. The high from Copalita - 4 is Asian influenced.

Colombian seeds are dark brown with black mottling / striping. Colombian leaves would be ultra thin NLD even as seedlings.

SamS did a contest / question where he ask. The mother came from a plant with small seeds and the father came from a plant with big seeds. What size will the seeds of the progeny be? The answer is small as seed size follows calyx size, and the female traits determine calyx size. Calyx size is a factor of the grow, bigger mature plants will have bigger calyxes, smaller mature plants will have bigger seeds. In general extreme NLD sativas will have smaller seeds and WLD indicas, bigger seeds.

The calyx size on Copalita Oaxacan -4 ( 20 weeks) are tiny and if the pollen took the seeds will be tiny.

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thank you both for the info.


I will also be vegging these out under 13on/11off light cycle to hopefully weed out any heavy indica traits.
The longest days in panama, Oaxaca and Columbia are about 13 hours long and the shortest are about 11 hours.
so i'm going to do my best to match that climate and light cycle.
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Salurations Mystic! here are two pics of two 1979 seedlings. They are nice and healthy.
I am excited to see how yours are growing too.



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I am excited to see how yours are growing too.

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Great thread Mystic , definitely looking forward to your updates, saludos Mexicani-ar



Thank you guys!


Updates coming this week guys, i'm just finishing up my GA3 test and i'll post up the results.


Hey 3rdeye.
Those are looking good man!
i'll get some updated pics of my Mexican seedling up soon.






Also if anyone has any good germination methods for old seeds, please post them up! i'm all ears!






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Hi

It is very interesting. Not only that you are saved all those old seeds from perhaps now long ago dissapeared strains, but your discovery of the increasing of the germination rate in the worm bins.

Do you think it woul be possible to get similar results with worm castings bought from the store? Or they must be fresh?

About the GA3. I have seen a video with good germination rated in old seeds using 250ppm GA3. Perhaps 300ppm with very hard to sprout really old seeds could increase the rate.

I talk of what I've read because here is difficult to find GA3 and I have not tested it myself.

There are some other recipes:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=294735

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=303149

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=299537

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I have germinated one seed, not very old but not well preserved. A friend gave me three seeds, and they didn't sprout. So I put them in tap water with other seeds to see if they have gibberelins that help the others to sprout: first with beans, later with lentils, chickpeas, and finaly with barley. Changing the water sometimes because it became jelly and rinsed the seeds. One seed began to open so I rinse the seeds and put them in wet paper towels. The opening seed actually was rotten but other sprouted. That was 4 month after they failed to sprout the first time.

I have tried it later a few times with other old seeds but without luck.

I have tryed to germinate seeds that doesn't sprout with Aloe leaf, suposedly high in GA's, garlic cloves, Ipomoea cuttings and willow water but none seed sprouted.

Your method with worm castings seems very interesting. I am waiting for your results with GA3.

Greetings.
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Hi MysticFunk. Did you try syntetic auxins? This might help your labor with germing seeds. All the best.
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