'Boogieman'
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conservatism vs liberalism
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JockBudman
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I clicked on this expecting some rage but well done for everyone keeping it pretty civil so far. Also nice to see fellow anarchists kicking about - even if some of you are only just finding out you are 
It's also interesting to see a repeat of the right wing victim mentality from a few people. Fascinating that people can see themselves as oppressed when the leaders they support are in power all over the western world - the centre right and right have control of the UK, US, Brazil, Australia, etc and have big support and representation in most European national governments.
Not that I disagree you're oppressed or feel oppressed - I'd just ask you to consider who is doing the oppressing? Those with millions in the bank who can set laws and influence policies to keep you from earning more than a certain amount or accessing healthcare or cut the public services you rely on whilst cutting their own tax obligations - or a handful of students and Tumblr warriors pushing xe as a pronoun?
It's worth addressing the "I'm not allowed to say/think what I want anymore without the woke police shutting me down" thing as well.
I mean yeah, you shouldn't call people fag, dyke, poof, paki, tranny or the N word (I'm pretty sure if I typed it, even in this context, it would be censored) but that's not because there's some "cultural Marxist" agenda preventing you, it's just because it's not very nice.
What we call political correctness or woke culture just used to be known as being polite. Like trans people are asking "hey, don't call us names we don't like" and I don't see any reason not to accept that - it's just polite and it costs me fuck all.
Which makes it even more ironic that the modern right is so for keeping the slurs - conservatism was once the proud upholder of social and cultural respect for each other. Now it often comes across as the exact opposite.
It's also interesting to see a repeat of the right wing victim mentality from a few people. Fascinating that people can see themselves as oppressed when the leaders they support are in power all over the western world - the centre right and right have control of the UK, US, Brazil, Australia, etc and have big support and representation in most European national governments.
Not that I disagree you're oppressed or feel oppressed - I'd just ask you to consider who is doing the oppressing? Those with millions in the bank who can set laws and influence policies to keep you from earning more than a certain amount or accessing healthcare or cut the public services you rely on whilst cutting their own tax obligations - or a handful of students and Tumblr warriors pushing xe as a pronoun?
It's worth addressing the "I'm not allowed to say/think what I want anymore without the woke police shutting me down" thing as well.
I mean yeah, you shouldn't call people fag, dyke, poof, paki, tranny or the N word (I'm pretty sure if I typed it, even in this context, it would be censored) but that's not because there's some "cultural Marxist" agenda preventing you, it's just because it's not very nice.
What we call political correctness or woke culture just used to be known as being polite. Like trans people are asking "hey, don't call us names we don't like" and I don't see any reason not to accept that - it's just polite and it costs me fuck all.
Which makes it even more ironic that the modern right is so for keeping the slurs - conservatism was once the proud upholder of social and cultural respect for each other. Now it often comes across as the exact opposite.
White Beard
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40 years ago, I was all about anarchy...eventually I learned about “sovereign ‘citizens‘“ and warlords...and what “small government” meant to some very nasty and control-oriented power-players...now I try to sail the narrow channel between the Scylla of no control and the Charybdis of no restraint. No matter how heavily armed or prepared an individual can be, they heave up on the rocks and sucked under in great numbers
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Where's your pretty picture Boogie?
caught 'twixt the horns of dilemma eh?
it's beyond frustrating to argue against and one of the cornerstones of the average american political mindset. ie - that the US has some sort of extreme leftist bias while simultaneously being this unfettered capitalist powerhouse lol.
yup absolutely. Thatcher is one of the most prominent neo-liberals of our time, and not that I am up to par on UK's political history, but this "New Labor" basically echoes Bill Clinton and the ascendancy of "New Democrats" or what the American left now refers to as corporatists, or neo-liberals. They pose as the left & progressives but they are straight up center-right Wall Street & big business puppets.
'New' Labour in the UK moved to the right in order to gain the acceptance of the mainstream media... which is vital to electoral success. Tony Blair - New Labour's leader, was good friend with Rupert Murdock, and was backed by 'The Sun' newspaper - which is why he is the only Labour leader to get elected PM in the last 50 odd years.
The media/establishment in the UK will never allow a 'proper' socialist to become elected. Jeremy Corbyn came close in 2017 which was a big surprise, and for the 2 years afterwards he was mercilessly slated and smeared by the press until the public mostly disliked him by the next GE in 2019.
So labour moving right was a pragmatic move and imo nothing to do with thatcher.
so yes, i'm liberal / Socialist. I'm a naive, idealistic old hippy and it always shocks me when cannabis smokers are right wing - not really that common in the UK. It just doesn't make any sense to me - it's like a vegan wanting to go foxhunting... just doesn't compute.
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slapmehard
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a vegan can go foxhunting because you don't hunt fox for the meat but for the fur.
now an animal activist vegan would not go hunting for fox
now an animal activist vegan would not go hunting for fox
In the UK you hunt the fox for 'Fun' and 'Tradition'. The fox, if caught, is ripped to pieces by the hounds and the fur would be of little use. It has been banned in the UK recently but, because it is the rich and powerful that practice the 'sport', the ban is often flouted.
VG
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it has to do with the media they consume. usually from the stuff that's pitched as "truth". many stoners are conspiracy theorists. most conspiracy theories are right wing. this shit adds up eventually.
I would agree that the media people consume is a big factor.
Also education, the more educated you are, the more likely you are to be liberal or left wing. this is true over the whole western world.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
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'Boogieman'
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I don't even look at smoking weed as a hippie thing. That would be like saying all alcoholics beat their wives. Times change, people my age smoke weed from all walks of life because it's normalized just like alcohol.
Hippies have never been the only ones with weed. They are just usually the ones with the best weed.
i blame kush and anything called "og"...i call them "frat boy weed"...that's how we ended up with mostly greedy asshats running the legal weed biz here in the states...they're just growing money trees,no spiritual connection to the weed,just profit and loss statements...
and sadly we have only ourselves to blame since all the cooperative work we did learning how to do it and then disseminating that knowledge on sites like this we basically taught the stock market ready rollout of big weed people...
i don't agree with your comparison... it wouldn't be anything like saying all alcoholic beat their wives.
For me, smoking weed leads, among other benefits, to deeper thinking and reflection, and i don't understand how that doesn't in turn lead people to have more empathy with others' suffering or hardship, or become less selfish.
It's a bit like the education thing. As people are more educated, they better understand how society is unfair, and as they think and learn more, they understand more and can see things from others' point of view.
I wouldn't argue that smoking weed is the same as an education lol, but both should lead to deeper thinking and understanding imo, and most of the right wing support is either for people who have a lot and want to keep it all, or people who don't have much and are then persuaded that it is the fault of some other group of people (better known as 'divide and rule')
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