conservatism vs liberalism

Tudo said:

Why copying and pasting quotes from The Road to Serfdom ?


The closest thing to "true liberalism" or ie: classic liberalism is Libertarian


There is no way the government will ever allow the philosophy of freedom to become more known or support it. I have a photo somewhere of good ol "conservative" and "conservative G-d-like politician ronald reagan sitting on an airplane with nancy snuggling up close while ronnie gazed uplon a copy of The Freeman, which was a publication by the oldest Libertarian think tank in the country, the Foundation for Economic Education/Croton on Hudson NY, https://www.fee.org ) ) lending the false impression that "conservatives", er, for lack of a better word, "conserve" and adhere to "traditional values". Really? When the hell did a conservative republican EVER adhere to those principles? Need we even remark about how the freaking "union" was re-created in the first place? Well, regain of course went on to explode the debt which was VERY SMALL prior to regain although the prior 12 years in the 60's/70's bombing a poor southeast Asian country tends to rack up the debt a bit......and what this spending does to all those in economic la-la-land, is it GUARANTEES more socialism. What is socialism? Force. The government just blew so much that when you are BORN you OWE, 30 grand and that dapper don the trump just fked everybody out of another 8 TRILLION which guarantees that your GRANDCHILDREN will be FORCED to pay the higher taxes whether it be in the form of greater witholding or INFLATION or both and rumor has it than when the dapper don the conservative ( LOL ) is holding hs rght hand up taking the oath for re-election, he wlll have racked up more than 10 TRILLION in his FIRST TERM, making big spenders like obama look like paupers .Making America Go EVER DEEPER IN DEBT AND OFF THE CLIFF.
Oh, by the way, more for you who are still in economic la-la-land, so that debt guarantees YOU and your decedents will be forced to pay a lot more, in taxes and in inflation. The inflation is what has all but wiped out America's MANUFACTURING base, making companies FLEE the USA for the past 2 decades and now, your king the dapper don has GUARANTEED more of that, in an even bigger way!


Good luck to you all, you have dumb and dumber to support politically or scum and scummier but there is NOBODY who supports your FREEDOM and I thought that THAT was supposed to be an American Tradition?


But we'll have all kinds of aircraft carriers and "heroes" who are getting paid by the dod and other welfare organizations but as far as "traditional American values", they are becoming in ever shorter supply. Hey are you typing while wearing your "mask"?

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Gry said:

Ended up in the green and it felt like home to me.

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Cannavore said:

Libertarians are anarchists and socialists. Capitalists and Austrian economists basically created modern day right-Libertarianism to get the average dope on board with extreme corporatism and to discredit/hijack the term.

Free market economics in the way right-Libertarians postulate men like Adam Smith were all about, in the words of Chomsky, have never actually read Adam Smith past the first paragraph or so, because if they did they would realize that's not actually his position. Nor was it David Ricardo's.

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xavier7995 said:

They are ayn rand libertarians. Maybe your parents should have worked harder to give you a railroad. Clearly inferior genes at work.

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Cannavore said:

i should go digging later and find what Ayn Rand had to say about the modern day libertarians and how she had more respect for leftists than she did for the right-libertarian movement, or in her times, what became the right-libertarian movement. her reasoning was something along the lines that at least leftys are honest in their intentions. right-libertarians suffer from identity disorder lol.

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JKD said:

https://theconversation.com/the-dif...nd-liberal-and-why-voters-need-to-know-120273


Is interesting in the States that the political centre has shifted enough to the right that the 'left' party is not really left, but tradition/habit is enough to cement the idea it is. In a different thread here I referenced Margaret Thatchers' quote that her greatest achievement was New Labour (UKs 'left' party move to the right). I would say this has been true in many countries that adopted the Mont Pelerin Societys' economic vision.
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armedoldhippy said:

i find myself exactly halfway between Bud Green & Cannavore...oh, what a shock! LOL! a good place to be in my opinion...

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nepalnt21 said:

exactly what i expected

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i do wish there were some questions with a 'neutral' answer

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unclefishstick said:

in their modern forms you can call them "fuck you" and "fuck you buddy"...

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xavier7995 said:

Good luck, its one of those weird linguistic arguments. I think the left and right versions are so opposed they both need different definitions instead of trying to share the libertarian umbrella. The right is anarcho capitalism, not sure what i would call the left.

Oddly, I would be fine with either.

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