Black Lives Matter "protest" lol...

Chi13 · Sep 2, 2020

Grover Dill said:
Wikipedia is not a legit source of info on any topic. Anything that can be edited on a whim by miscellaneous nobodies in the shadows without any revision notes can't be trusted to be accurate.

I studied race as part of a degree, some years ago now. Wiki just summed up well what I already knew without going into great detail.
Yes Wiki can be edited but it is a surprisingly good recourse on a heap of topics.

Google there are no races or race is a social construct. It is society that makes race an issue and this is usually based around economics (slavery being the worst example). We are all human. Differences in culture of course exist.
There are heaps of articles around this. An exert from one of them;

In combating this increase in racism, there are two primary aspects to consider. The first is that the very idea of “race” is a lie: as the American Society of Human Genetics, the largest professional organization of scientists in the field, explained in an essay:

“The science of genetics demonstrates that humans cannot be divided into biologically distinct subcategories”; and it “challenges the traditional concept of different races of humans as biologically separate and distinct. This is validated by many decades of research.” In other words, “race itself is a social construct,” with no biological basis.

In 2014, more than 130 leading population geneticists condemned the idea that genetic differences account for the economic, political, social and behavioral diversity around the world. In fact, said a 2018 article in Scientific American, there is a “broad scientific consensus that when it comes to genes there is just as much diversity within racial and ethnic groups as there is across them.” And the Human Genome Project has confirmed that the genomes found around the globe are 99.9 percent identical in every person. Hence, the very idea of different “races” is nonsense.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-concept-of-race-is-a-lie/

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/

I can find more if anyones interested.

Gypsy Nirvana · Sep 2, 2020

Ehm - 'closed' environment? - well there are many reports from the 1600's and 1700's and into the 1800's about these pirates kidnapping whole coastal communities all around the coasts of Europe back then - this obviously must have caused much distress amongst any relatives of the captured who were left behind - The captured were taken mostly to slave markets in North Africa and other places particularly during the Ottoman Empire and sold throughout the Islamic world at the time - Mohammed was a slaver - and he advocated buying and selling anyone who was not a Muslim (since that wasn't allowed) - since he was engaged in the slave trade all of his life -

- I would say that these white people kidnapped into slavery in Europe - then taken thousands of miles away would have led very sad lives indeed - the men/boys amongst them were usually castrated - and the women and girls were most often pimped out as sex slaves - and never let free - since Islamic slavery has never been completely stopped - even to this day -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

'The scope of Barbary corsair activity began to diminish in the latter part of the 17th century, as the more powerful European navies started to compel the Barbary States to make peace and cease attacking their shipping. However, the ships and coasts of Christian states without such effective protection continued to suffer until the early 19th century. Following the Napoleonic Wars and the Congress of Vienna in 1814–15, European powers agreed upon the need to suppress the Barbary corsairs entirely and the threat was largely subdued. Occasional incidents occurred, including two Barbary wars between the United States and the Barbary States, until finally terminated by the French conquest of Algeria in 1830.''

*The blue eyes of Caucasian slaves seems to have been one of their attractions - and can been seen today throughout the middle east and North Africa occasionally - particularly amongst the Tuareg, Bedouin and Maghreb people of North Africa -

Veggia farmer said:
Im sorry for not being clear enough, so I will ask in a different way.

Has some whites been in a "closed" of enviroment been in after the slaving took part? So we can actually tell how it affected the ones that were kidnapped, and generations after?

I heard something like that about the hillbillies in Appalachia mountains. England took people from Scotland and Ireland and brought them over to America. Being threated equally as black slaves.

I too have recently read about how many Europeans have been slaved because of the pirates. Maybe thats why there are some blue eyed people in Middle East? Cause thats a trait from the whities, right?

GMT · Sep 2, 2020

While race is a shortcut word, that does not alter the fact that genes make us what we are, even if who we are is also affected by experience. Nor does it alter the fact that we get our genes from our parents, who got them from theirs, who got them in turn from theirs, all the way back to when mankind, and the other 4 of the great apes, had the same family.
Mutations separated the 5 great ape families, and will continue to separate each species into further groupings. To discuss the empirical data is not to advocate opinions, but the acceptance of facts.

gaiusmarius · Sep 2, 2020

am no expert on this stuff, but i do know they use this phrase:

race itself is a social construct,” with no biological basis.

when it comes to woman and man. just cause we have the same genes doesn't mean we men and woman are the same or a social construct.

when it comes to race i can accept that sentence better, but its the same bunch who now say men and woman are the same. which is idiotic, lmao...

Chi13 · Sep 2, 2020

Gypsy Nirvana said:
- so - let me get this right - if someone discusses the physical, biological or cerebral differences between ethnicities - then that's called racism - or scientific racism?

- If that info is incorrect - then by all means de-bunk it - and I found that info by typing in racial biological differences into google -

''For the longest time, Europeans thought that the sun revolved around the Earth. Their culturally attuned eyes saw this as obvious and unquestionably true. Just as astronomers now know that’s not true, nearly all population geneticists know that dividing people into races neither explains nor describes human genetic variation.

Yet this idea of race-as-genetics will not die. For decades, it has been exposed to the sunlight of facts, but, like a vampire, it continues to suck blood — not only surviving but causing harm in how it can twist science to support racist ideologies. With apologies for the grisly metaphor, it is time to put a wooden stake through the heart of race-as-genetics. Doing so will make for better science and a fairer society.

In 1619, the first people from Africa arrived in Virginia and became integrated into society. Only after African and European bond laborers unified in various rebellions did colony leaders recognize the “need” to separate laborers. “Race” divided indentured Irish and other Europeans from enslaved Africans, and reduced opposition by those of European descent to the intolerable conditions of enslavement. What made race different from other prejudices, including ethnocentrism (the idea that a given culture is superior), is that it claimed that differences were natural, unchanging and God-given. Eventually, race also received the stamp of science.

Over the next decades, Euro-American natural scientists debated the details of race, asking questions such as how often the races were created (once, as stated in the Bible, or many separate times), the number of races and their defining, essential characteristics. But they did not question whether races were natural things. They reified race, making the idea of race real by unquestioning, constant use.

In the 1700s, Carl Linnaeus, the father of modern taxonomy and someone not without ego, liked to imagine himself as organizing what God created. Linnaeus famously classified our own species into races based on reports from explorers and conquerors.

The race categories he created included Americanus, Africanus, and even Monstrosus (for wild and feral individuals and those with birth defects), and their essential defining traits included a biocultural mélange of color, personality and modes of governance. Linnaeus described Europeaus as white, sanguine and governed by law, and Asiaticus as yellow, melancholic and ruled by opinion. These descriptions highlight just how much ideas of race are formulated by social ideas of the time.''

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/race-is-real-but-its-not-genetic

Humans are not divisible into biological races. On top of that, human variation does not stand still. “Race groups” are impossible to define in any stable or universal way. It cannot be done based on biology — not by skin color, bone measurements or genetics. It cannot be done culturally: Race groupings have changed over time and place throughout history.

Science 101: If you cannot define groups consistently, then you cannot make scientific generalizations about them.

So the bit you have highlighted fully backs up what I am saying. There aren't any real differences that divide groups of humans into races. Humans of all races are 99.9 the same.

You were talking of racial differences; predisposition of certain races to violence, your list of 14 biological differences, e.t.c. My reply was to that.

There are differences in human groups in their culture; vast differences sometimes, but not race.

gaiusmarius · Sep 2, 2020

Chi13 said:
So the bit you have highlighted fully backs up what I am saying. There aren't any real differences that divide groups of humans into races. Humans of all races are 99.9 the same.

You were talking of racial differences; predisposition of certain races to violence, your list of 14 biological differences, e.t.c. My reply was to that.

There are differences in human groups in their culture; vast differences sometimes, but not race.

thats because he is presenting information neutrally, not trying to convince anyone of anything. its about provoking thought and discussion.

CaptainDankness · Sep 2, 2020

Chi13 said:
Where on earth did that info come from? I hate quoting Wiki but..

Scientific racism, sometimes termed biological racism, is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical evidence exists to support or justify racism (racial discrimination), racial inferiority, or racial superiority.[1][2][3][4] Historically, scientific racism received credence throughout the scientific community, but it is no longer considered scientific.[2][3] Dividing humankind into biologically distinct groups is sometimes called racialism or race realism by its proponents. Modern scientific consensus rejects this view as being irreconcilable with modern genetic research.[5]:360
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

So now science is racist? Evolution must be racist too, cause we evolved differently around the world. Asians are probably the smallest and some of the smartest people. Africans the biggest yet not the smartest.

One big difference is while Europeans and Asians would build some nice structures to live in 100's of years into the BC days, the Africans did not. The more you use your brain for problem solving the more you will pass on to the next generation. We would build amazing ships, meanwhile Africans were mostly tribal.

I mean unless you believe in Adam and Eve, but even then we must have evolved since Adam and Eve unless the Christian God is just for white people, Jews are the chosen ones after all. Lol

It's pretty obvious to me how Europeans and Asians evolved to be smarter than Africans. No matter how you slice it people of African decent are more violent than most, Mexico is getting there though. Probably why we don't have as much trouble with the Muslims as Europe, Muslims don't have a chance taking over any territory, they'll be killed. Lol

Veggia farmer · Sep 2, 2020

Gypsy Nirvana said:
Ehm - 'closed' environment? - well there are many reports from the 1600's and 1700's about these pirates kidnapping whole coastal communities all around the coasts of Europe back then - this obviously must have caused much distress amongst any relatives of the captured who were left behind - The captured were taken mostly to slave markets in North Africa and other places particularly during the Ottoman Empire and sold throughout the Islamic world at the time - Mohammed was a slaver - and he advocated buying and selling anyone who was not a Muslim (since that wasn't allowed) - since he was engaged in the slave trade all of his life -

- I would say that these white people kidnapped into slavery in Europe - then taken thousands of miles away would have led very sad lives indeed - the men/boys amongst them were usually castrated - and the women and girls were most often pimped out as sex slaves - and never let free - since Islamic slavery has never been completely stopped - even to this day -

Closed of into a certain geographic enviroment. Like the Afro-Americans are Africans brought to America and did not go back to Africa.

Yes, indeed I would believe it would be terrible to see families, friends and relatives disappear. Like it also would be for the Africans left behind in Africa when those relatives went away.

So now we have an opportunity to see how it went with them who left Africa into slavery in America, and how that plays out for genertions behind and further down the line. About the same we can see in South Africa. Different enviroment and different situation, but many similarities.

But the whities than got collected and used as slaves, where are the kids of them? Being bred into some places I guess. As you say the women were pimped out for pleasure for some. I would guess that would led a least to some offsprings. Then we have a hydbrid so to speak. Men were castrated often, but I know nothing about a whole communities that went on to for generations as more or less a "pure breed" of caucasian/white. If that would happened someplace, then take the scores from them and put it up against test from Afro-Americans as you showed earlier. Then we could see how big the psychological inpact would have on IQ performance.

I sometimes have a messy way to get to my points..

Its already known that if you are triggered a lot on the fight/flight modus this can lead to permanent changes in the brain functions. Its plausible that this changes can again be changed but enough for now...

Our DNA also change after stress. This is also is given to your kids. I have heard a saying that if "somethings" happens you like a war, it will be stress for three generations. Something like that...

Veggia farmer · Sep 2, 2020

gaiusmarius said:
am no expert on this stuff, but i do know they use this phrase:

when it comes to woman and man. just cause we have the same genes doesn't mean we men and woman are the same or a social construct.

when it comes to race i can accept that sentence better, but its the same bunch who now say men and woman are the same. which is idiotic, lmao...

Yep, we can breed together. That means we are the same "race". So race is a missleading word on it own.

Is it sativa or indica? Its all the race/specie of cannabis.

Confusing stuff? :blowbubbles:

Gypsy Nirvana · Sep 2, 2020

gaiusmarius said:
thats because he is presenting information neutrally, not trying to convince anyone of anything. its about provoking thought and discussion.

- Yes - I am neutral - and not trying to force any agenda down anyone's throat - lol - Just trying to create talking points for discussion and/or debate -

- and as I do - I get to learn quite a bit around and about various topics - which is nice -

imiubu · Sep 2, 2020

CaptainDankness · Sep 2, 2020

Veggia farmer said:
Im sorry for not being clear enough, so I will ask in a different way.

Has some whites been in a "closed" of enviroment been in after the slaving took part? So we can actually tell how it affected the ones that were kidnapped, and generations after?

I heard something like that about the hillbillies in Appalachia mountains. England took people from Scotland and Ireland and brought them over to America. Being threated equally as black slaves.

I too have recently read about how many Europeans have been slaved because of the pirates. Maybe thats why there are some blue eyed people in Middle East? Cause thats a trait from the whities, right?

Can't forget about the Jews they were white people kept as slaves. Of course they would kill every man woman and child in a village and it's all in the Bible. Lol, they killed everyone who was not a Jew, really nice people. Lol

But Alexander the Great had some land in the Middle East and Muslims definitely kept white Christian slaves. Asian slaves happened too, still does to this day, so blame whitey!! The only people to not only end slavery, but we also gave them equal rights actually better rights with Affirmative Action. Should have gave them their own land in central America like Lincoln wanted to do, I guess.

Gypsy Nirvana · Sep 2, 2020

This is what the American Association of Physical Anthropologists says about 'RACE' -

AAPA Statement on Race & Racism.

The following AAPA Statement on Race and Racism was written by the AAPA subcommittee tasked with revising the previous AAPA statement on the Biological Aspects of Race that was published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, vol. 101, pp 569-570, 1996. The Committee on Diversity (COD) subcommittee was comprised of (in alpha order): Rebecca Ackermann, Sheela Athreya, Deborah Bolnick, Agustín Fuentes (chair), Tina Lasisi, Sang-Hee Lee, Shay-Akil McLean, and Robin Nelson.

The statement was unanimously accepted by the AAPA Executive Committee at its meeting on March 27, 2019 at the 88th Annual Meeting in Cleveland, Ohio.

Executive Summary: AAPA Statement on Race and Racism.

Race does not provide an accurate representation of human biological variation. It was never accurate in the past, and it remains inaccurate when referencing contemporary human populations. Humans are not divided biologically into distinct continental types or racial genetic clusters. Instead, the Western concept of race must be understood as a classification system that emerged from, and in support of, European colonialism, oppression, and discrimination. It thus does not have its roots in biological reality, but in policies of discrimination. Because of that, over the last five centuries, race has become a social reality that structures societies and how we experience the world. In this regard, race is real, as is racism, and both have real biological consequences.

Humans share the vast majority (99.9%) of our DNA in common. Individuals nevertheless exhibit substantial genetic and phenotypic variability. Genome/environment interactions, local and regional biological changes through time, and genetic exchange among populations have produced the biological diversity we see in humans today. Notably, variants are not distributed across our species in a manner that maps clearly onto socially-recognized racial groups. This is true even for aspects of human variation that we frequently emphasize in discussions of race, such as facial features, skin color and hair type.

No group of people is, or ever has been, biologically homogeneous or “pure.” Furthermore, human populations are not — and never have been — biologically discrete, truly isolated, or fixed.

While race does not accurately represent the patterns of human biological diversity, an abundance of scientific research demonstrates that racism, prejudice against someone because of their race and a belief in the inherent superiority and inferiority of different racial groups, affects our biology, health, and well-being. This means that race, while not a scientifically accurate biological concept, can have important biological consequences because of the effects of racism. The belief in races as a natural aspect of human biology and the institutional and structural inequities (racism) that have emerged in tandem with such beliefs in European colonial contexts are among the most damaging elements in human societies. -

https://physanth.org/about/position-statements/aapa-statement-race-and-racism-2019/

*more at the link above -

CaptainDankness · Sep 2, 2020

Veggia farmer said:
Yep, we can breed together. That means we are the same "race". So race is a missleading word on it own.

Is it sativa or indica? Its all the race/specie of cannabis.

Confusing stuff?

Same species yes, different definitely. Indica, Sativa, hemp and ruderalis are all very different from each other in nature, yet they can all breed.

Race is a real thing, a wolf can mate a Jackal but they're not exactly the same. Don't really mean we shouldn't mix breed I've met a lot of cool half black people. Also them half black girls can be pretty damn hot. :biggrin:

GMT · Sep 2, 2020

If race isn't real, why do only black lives matter? If there's no such thing as race, why is it racist to say all lives matter?

Gypsy Nirvana · Sep 2, 2020

- Yes - I do find that in the west - in educational establishments - mostly only the African-American slave trade is discussed - few people seem to know and realize that many other ethnicities were enslaved for many hundreds or thousands of years before, during and after the African-American slave trade ceased to exist - after being in existence for only just over 200 years -

- The white slaves captured in Europe by The Barbary Pirates and distributed throughout the Islamic world were mixed in with many other ethnicities - mainly other Christians and Jews and Africans - and used for many purposes - not just in agriculture - all dispersed widely and forgotten about over time -
- Unlike most African slaves brought to America they were not allowed to have their own families and communities of the same ethnicity around them - and were thrown in with any other slaves who were not Muslim - the men/boys castrated - so they could not breed - but the women/girls were bred into many tribes - that's why we see blue eyes throughout N.Africa to this day -

- The Slavery Abolition Act, (1833), in British history - was an act of Parliament that abolished slavery in most British colonies, freeing more than 800,000 enslaved Africans in the Caribbean and South Africa as well as a small number in Canada - It received Royal Assent on August 28, 1833, and took effect on August 1, 1834 -

- The Islamic slave trade had been going on for many hundreds of years before, during and after African-American slavery - and affected around 100X more people that were forced into slavery -

- Don't you think its kind of ODD - that we don't hear so much about the Muslim slave trade today - even though its still going on? - Hmmm - must be because a whole religion of over one and a half billion people still believe in it - since it is written in the Koran to be accepted - and practiced because Mohammed was a SLAVER - and slavery is one of the basic tenant's of Islam -

- We see all of these statues of white slavers being removed and thrown down by activists - but not any Koran burning at all because of slavery - nor anything much about that in the media - DOUBLE STANDARDS - yet again -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIjPPRf0YZk
Islam's Dark History of Slavery (Whitewashed and Forgotten)

Veggia farmer said:
Closed of into a certain geographic enviroment. Like the Afro-Americans are Africans brought to America and did not go back to Africa.

Yes, indeed I would believe it would be terrible to see families, friends and relatives disappear. Like it also would be for the Africans left behind in Africa when those relatives went away.

So now we have an opportunity to see how it went with them who left Africa into slavery in America, and how that plays out for genertions behind and further down the line. About the same we can see in South Africa. Different enviroment and different situation, but many similarities.

But the whities than got collected and used as slaves, where are the kids of them? Being bred into some places I guess. As you say the women were pimped out for pleasure for some. I would guess that would led a least to some offsprings. Then we have a hydbrid so to speak. Men were castrated often, but I know nothing about a whole communities that went on to for generations as more or less a "pure breed" of caucasian/white. If that would happened someplace, then take the scores from them and put it up against test from Afro-Americans as you showed earlier. Then we could see how big the psychological inpact would have on IQ performance.

I sometimes have a messy way to get to my points..

Its already known that if you are triggered a lot on the fight/flight modus this can lead to permanent changes in the brain functions. Its plausible that this changes can again be changed but enough for now...

Our DNA also change after stress. This is also is given to your kids. I have heard a saying that if "somethings" happens you like a war, it will be stress for three generations. Something like that...

gaiusmarius · Sep 2, 2020

Slavery was a world wide practice. its not american or arab, it was done by every single army in history, from the ancient romans to the cartheginians, alexander the great, julius ceasar to the venetians and even the African tribes them selves. every so called civilised nation in history practised slavery. Ceasar writes of enslaving millions of germans and gauls. Sulla enclaved hundreds of thousands more in the east, gaius marius did the same, it was considered the Devine right of the conqueror to take the defeated peoples into slavery, if he had the strength to do it. Roman armies were followed by slave traders who would buy up whole tribes of the surviving woman and children after a battle or at the end of a campaign. the gauls and germans themselves held slaves. some greeks would sell themselves into slavery in a romans house in the hope of becoming a citizen once they buy them selves free or finish the terms of their slavery. battle slaves had no hope of freedom.

Microbeman · Sep 2, 2020

CaptainDankness said:
So now science is racist? Evolution must be racist too, cause we evolved differently around the world. Asians are probably the smallest and some of the smartest people. Africans the biggest yet not the smartest.

One big difference is while Europeans and Asians would build some nice structures to live in 100's of years into the BC days, the Africans did not. The more you use your brain for problem solving the more you will pass on to the next generation. We would build amazing ships, meanwhile Africans were mostly tribal.

I mean unless you believe in Adam and Eve, but even then we must have evolved since Adam and Eve unless the Christian God is just for white people, Jews are the chosen ones after all. Lol

It's pretty obvious to me how Europeans and Asians evolved to be smarter than Africans. No matter how you slice it people of African decent are more violent than most, Mexico is getting there though. Probably why we don't have as much trouble with the Muslims as Europe, Muslims don't have a chance taking over any territory, they'll be killed. Lol

A few posts ago discussed how people from Africa had better ships and took Europeans as slaves.

bigtacofarmer · Sep 2, 2020

GMT said:
If race isn't real, why do only black lives matter? If there's no such thing as race, why is it racist to say all lives matter?

Say any race matters you like. List them individually.

Try saying it out loud. Black lives matter.

It has nothing to do with saying anyone's life doesn't matter.

It's about acknowledging that something is wrong and you want to help.

Try saying for us just once. Go ahead.

Black lives matter.

GMT · Sep 2, 2020

If you say all lives matter around a black lives matter protest, you will be physically attacked. The no go areas set up by blm have graffiti on the walls saying kill whitey. There are videos being put up by blm protesters saying if anyone says alm, they will kill them. Black people are hunting down white people on the street to attack them.
It does indeed seem that blm is a racist movement. Can you imagine the uproar if there was a white lives matter counter protest that said they would kill anyone saying blm.

My point was, how can you argue blm if there's no such thing as race

Black Lives Matter "protest" lol...

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