Grafting Technique for Multiple plants and Low Plant Count legality

p0opstlnksal0t · Oct 23, 2017

I will soon be attempting the viability of a modified version of approach grafting. Basically grafting the trunks of 4x juvenile vegging plants together to produce essentially 4 plants in 1 "count" basically 4 root masses, 4 trunks "joined at the hip" so to speak and 4 main stems. In my state its not really spelled out what equates to "1 plant count" so my hope is that 4 conjoined plants actually count as 1 plant.... Is my thinking out of whack here?

Snook · Oct 23, 2017

BOPMS

BOPMS

I did it, it's all good but a little tedious.

Breed One Plant Multiple Strains

https://www.opengrow.com/topic/3764...tiples-strains/page__hl__bopms__fromsearch__1

Kinda like the citrus tree that produces oranges, lemons, grapefruit and limes.

****** is a good man.

Desert Hydro · Oct 23, 2017

im going to be doing the same thing this week! cool

p0opstlnksal0t · Oct 23, 2017

has anyone grafted in this manner? essentially you are conjoining multiple plant trunks together but leaving all 4 plant roots and main stems in tact? giving an illusion of 1 plant but yield and growth of 4 individual plants.

OldPhart · Oct 23, 2017

p0opstlnksal0t said:
has anyone grafted in this manner? essentially you are conjoining multiple plant trunks together but leaving all 4 plant roots and main stems in tact? giving an illusion of 1 plant but yield and growth of 4 individual plants.

I would like to know what you find, but I would suspect that the yield/growth would be equal to or probably lower than a single plant. It has always been my assertion that roots dictate what is possible above ground. I think it would be kind of like laying out a hundred feet of garden hose, then putting a couple hose 'Y's on the end, and thinking you're going to get 4 times the amount of water out of it.

mushroombrew · Oct 23, 2017

Um didn't I just think of that recently?

p0opstlnksal0t · Oct 23, 2017

imagine something similar to this:

mushroombrew · Oct 23, 2017

And yes conjoined plants are just fine. One root system. 4 plants in the same pot unfortunately is 4 plants.

p0opstlnksal0t · Oct 23, 2017

mushroombrew said:
Um didn't I just think of that recently?

Im sorry, you may have? i did look through your grafting thread but saw no mention of this?

mushroombrew · Oct 23, 2017

I would conjoin above the ground. Or you will have two root systems...

mushroombrew · Oct 23, 2017

Don't worry I don't care. Hope you are successful!! Definitely use thicker stems.

mushroombrew · Oct 23, 2017

For the record:-

" I am thinking about putting 4 strains on one plant. The here in OR you could grow 16 strains with 4 plants! Besides a plant with two different buds will look sick!"

p0opstlnksal0t · Oct 23, 2017

mushroombrew said:
And yes conjoined plants are just fine. One root system. 4 plants in the same pot unfortunately is 4 plants.

has anything like this come up before in court? is there anything on the books showing multiple conjoined plants actually counting as separates? I would venture to guess that if a grow was inspected and you had these odd conjoined trees growing they wouldnt count them as individual plant. the grouping would look more like a big single trunk plant.

p0opstlnksal0t · Oct 23, 2017

mushroombrew said:
For the record:-

" I am thinking about putting 4 strains on one plant. The here in OR you could grow 16 strains with 4 plants! Besides a plant with two different buds will look sick!"

ya im not really after utilizing 1 root stock like all of the grafting threads ive seen. I want 4 individual plants simply joined together at the trunk to appear as 1 individual plant. 4 root systems to support 4 actual plants in a single pot.

zif · Oct 23, 2017

It’s easy to establish as many leaders as you like, each with a different variety. Scions that are the top of seedlings with only a few sets of true leaves work well for dirt simple wedge grafts. And where courts count rooted plants for legal purposes, no one can argue you have more than one plant in the end.

Why be the test case for what could allow observant legal or leo folks to try for a more stringent definition of plant counts? (I.e., we noticed that this one ‘plant’ has several apparent stems or taproots, so did a genotype and so can say that it represents 4 actual plants....)

Never mind that you must ‘pass through’ times with too many plants, where you can serially build a plant with dozens of genotypes with only 2 living plants at a time (or much faster with, say, four living plants at a time).

It’s cool that this kind of graft works. It’s in one of the recent grafting threads, in fact. But I’m not sure it has any advantage.....

zif · Oct 23, 2017

See these posts for a successful multi-trunk from Darpa:

Darpa said:
Here is an update on the multiple truck fusion.

Darpa said:
Ok, here we go again with an other experiment, since all of the V-Graft (wedge graft) and the auxiliary buds side grafting (chip grafting) worked with a 100 % success rate, here is a trial of a trunk and root system fusion.

brown_thumb · Oct 23, 2017

I like the concept... but couldn't one simply plant four seedlings together in one hole and tie them together as they grow? I realize that's not 'grafting' but the trunks will all grow together if tied together. Of course, a much larger pot will be needed to allow the four plants to thrive.

mushroombrew · Oct 24, 2017

p0opstlnksal0t said:
ya im not really after utilizing 1 root stock like all of the grafting threads ive seen. I want 4 individual plants simply joined together at the trunk to appear as 1 individual plant. 4 root systems to support 4 actual plants in a single pot.

I don't think an LEO will look at it as one plant. But I am interested to see what you can do regardless. Good luck!

kickapoo · Oct 24, 2017

Cool idea! Good luck, I'll be watching to see how it turns out.

clown baby · Oct 24, 2017

graft above ground. if you do a proper graft, like on a grape vine or apple tree, it will be one stem coming out of the ground. IE one plant.

Honestly, though, since cannabis is an annual, this idea sounds like more work than its worth. You'd going to need to veg pretty big plants to get stems thick enough for a proper graft, then getting the grafts to take hold, and then going through flowering. IMO if you can only grow 4 plants, just grow 4 strains.

Not trying to be a wet blanket. I think this would be a cool experiment. But if you're trying to have a semi-efficient grow, i dont know that grafting will be your best bet.

But if youre really committed, google cleft grafts and bark grafts. bark grafts are probably your best bet.

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