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Cancel Culture

Microbeman

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Gypsy Nirvana said:
- The end of capitalism is when most all the wealth is in the hands of a very few - and as we are seeing as we go thru this huge societal change that Covid has brought us - this situation is becoming even more desperate - no less than A Great Depression - with millions becoming unemployed - and so becoming more desperate in being able to support their families and themselves - these all leads to social unrest - and often revolution -

- This huge societal shift puts even more wealth in the hands of the monopolistic corporate military complex industrial machine and their tech arms in Silicone Valley and elsewhere - Wealth, and the power to engineer the media to further their gains - gives them a virtual 'sho'in' when influencing the masses with their latest drama production - in the news - online - or in Hollywood - one so replicates the other these days -

- Very much like the Rockefeller's and Carnegie's of their day - the owners of these very powerful modern internet 'Social Media' sites have no real competition - and if they think they do - then they will just buy it out - and then they can dictate what we see - what we can say - influence what we might think - what we can buy - and so effect what we actually do - 24/7 -

- Those of us who have been online for 30 years or so have seen this sort of corporate control initially embracing, and then gripping the internet ever tighter - as its power and influence has become much greater - and many millions more people are online to be influenced these days - The internet is still very much a growth industry - and I don't think it'll ever take a down turn until we run out of electricity -
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End of free market/enterprise, not capitalism; two different things.
 
gaiusmarius

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we dont have free markets or capitalism. we have some kind of crony capitalism mixed with facist type govenment and business connections growing at an exponetial rate.
 
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Brother Nature said:
Seems to me they're both kinda saying the same thing...
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you see, its all about sides nowadays. it really doesnt matter what i actually post on a subject, some people have decided because i don't take the anti trump stance on EVERY issue i am pro trump, which is bolloks.

while the other side have mostly decided because i complain about Trumps foreign policy and crony capitalism, i must be supporting the democraps, which is also bolloks.

the result is that you get the sillyness you see, lmao.

nvm that im Swiss and can't vote for any of your political lunatics in the US anyway :D
 
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- When it gets to the point of many millions of people in the West not being able to feed/clothe/shelter or medicate - when the dollar, euro or pound in your pocket is devalued so much - that it is virtually worthless - when there is no business or employment to be had - when people cannot even afford communications - (wifi-cable-phone etc) - then you will see the desperation and the conflict that comes from it - whether that all happens in my lifetime or not - I can't be sure - and can only hope it never happens - but sure does look possible -

- growers might just be able to grow thru it - and survive - cannabis has always been a valuable crop - but what happens - when the power goes out? - Ekkkk <heavy church organ music>
 
Switcher56

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Gypsy Nirvana said:
- When it gets to the point of many millions of people in the West not being able to feed/clothe/shelter or medicate - when the dollar, euro or pound in your pocket is devalued so much - that it is virtually worthless - when there is no business or employment to be had - when people cannot even afford communications - (wifi-cable-phone etc) - then you will see the desperation and the conflict that comes from it - whether that all happens in my lifetime or not - I can't be sure - and can only hope it never happens - but sure does look possible -

- growers might just be able to grow thru it - and survive - cannabis has always been a valuable crop - but what happens - when the power goes out? - Ekkkk <heavy church organ music>
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Good observation m8te. Just wait until you see the pandemonium surge in Nov. The friggin writing is on the wall and, I don't have a dog in that fight. Because, "globalization" is based on the USD, the whole world will feel the aftershock!
 
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- don't see many growers using their own personal solar power for indoor growing - and rain barrels on residential high-rise buildings ain't so easy -
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solar panels? rain barrels?
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* anyway saw this crazy meme - and it does check-out -

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Gypsy Nirvana said:
- don't see many growers using their own personal solar power for indoor growing - and rain barrels on residential high-rise buildings ain't so easy -



* anyway saw this crazy meme - and it does check-out -

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maybe with the newest best led tech you could go the solar route, but yeah hard to do in a highrise. maybe fill the balcony with pannels and hope the water supply is maintained even if power breaks down. otherwise its buy and lug in the water, lmao. done that with diesel before, it was an imense pain in the ass to always source that shit and bring it in discretly. we had 2 2000 lt tanks and had to rotate suppliers so as not to arouse suspicion, after a while we rigged a small truck with 2 x 1k liter tanks in the back. totally illegal way to transport diesel oil, lol. but we were left with no choice. too many bills to pay to give up half way in lol, those were some crazy days.
 
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Will leave you to it. My argument had nothing to with trump and really very little to do with capitalism other than to whom these powers that be owe a duty.
 
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xavier7995 said:
Will leave you to it. My argument had nothing to with trump and really very little to do with capitalism other than to whom these powers that be owe a duty.
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if your read what i said i didnt deny what you said was true about private companies etc, what i was talking about is what i think should be done with google facebook and twitter.

corporations themselves are anti human and anti the planet, they are exploitive in their very nature, it's in their dna to exploit and pillage to the limit of the law and beyond when they can get away with it, or when the fines are so low that its profitable to break the rules.

if we want a more just society, we have to make purely profit based corporations illegal. they need to be for the common good or else let them be normal national companies subject to the same laws as any mum and pop business.

for the rest i can't see where there should be disagreement? do you think it's right for google to have a full monopoly on advertising? why should they be allowed to exploit their money and power to keep gathering more money and power by crushing all competition and buying out all inovations made by anyone trying to compete? do you realize the power they have over the information in the world? how can that lead anywhere but world wide coorporate tyranny?

split them all up into national entities or forget about freedome of thought, let alone speech and ideas, but over the long run, say good by to free humanity and say hello to world wide cooporate slavery.

if we don't split them up, they will keep gathering more and more power and money untill there will be no stopping them. already democratic governments in small nations tremble in fear of getting on the wrong side of google, twitter etc.

imagine the power, how can you not see the potential for total abuse? why in gods name would you want any corporation have so much power over what people see, read, think, buy, worry about and hear?
 
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gaiusmarius said:
if your read what i said i didnt deny what you said was true about private companies etc, what i was talking about is what i think should be done with google facebook and twitter.

corporations themselves are anti human and anti the planet, they are exploitive in their very nature, it's in their dna to exploit and pillage to the limit of the law and beyond when they can get away with it, or when the fines are so low that its profitable to break the rules.

if we want a more just society, we have to make purely profit based corporations illegal. they need to be for the common good or else let them be normal national companies subject to the same laws as any mum and pop business.

for the rest i can't see where there should be disagreement? do you think it's right for google to have a full monopoly on advertising? why should they be allowed to exploit their money and power to keep gathering more money and power by crushing all competition and buying out all inovations made by anyone trying to compete? do you realize the power they have over the information in the world? how can that lead anywhere but world wide coorporate tyranny?

split them all up into national entities or forget about freedome of thought, let alone speech and ideas, but over the long run, say good by to free humanity and say hello to world wide cooporate slavery.

if we don't split them up, they will keep gathering more and more power and money untill there will be no stopping them. already democratic governments in small nations tremble in fear of getting on the wrong side of google, twitter etc.

imagine the power, how can you not see the potential for total abuse? why in gods name would you want any corporation have so much power over what people see, read, think, buy, worry about and hear?
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And what pray tell does that have to do with trump and sides?
 
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gaiusmarius said:
if your read what i said i didnt deny what you said was true about private companies etc, what i was talking about is what i think should be done with google facebook and twitter.

corporations themselves are anti human and anti the planet, they are exploitive in their very nature, it's in their dna to exploit and pillage to the limit of the law and beyond when they can get away with it, or when the fines are so low that its profitable to break the rules.

if we want a more just society, we have to make purely profit based corporations illegal. they need to be for the common good or else let them be normal national companies subject to the same laws as any mum and pop business.

for the rest i can't see where there should be disagreement? do you think it's right for google to have a full monopoly on advertising? why should they be allowed to exploit their money and power to keep gathering more money and power by crushing all competition and buying out all inovations made by anyone trying to compete? do you realize the power they have over the information in the world? how can that lead anywhere but world wide coorporate tyranny?

split them all up into national entities or forget about freedome of thought, let alone speech and ideas, but over the long run, say good by to free humanity and say hello to world wide cooporate slavery.

if we don't split them up, they will keep gathering more and more power and money untill there will be no stopping them. already democratic governments in small nations tremble in fear of getting on the wrong side of google, twitter etc.

imagine the power, how can you not see the potential for total abuse? why in gods name would you want any corporation have so much power over what people see, read, think, buy, worry about and hear?
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I am reading this as being against large corporations, monopolies, etc. that are the natural end product of capitalism. Fully agree with you on that. I am not a fan and try to avoid using their services. I'm a far left socialist or whatever, being anti big business is my wheelhouse.

The disagreement to me, seems to be in how that relates to cancel culture. While I get what you are saying that these large powerful entities have the power to squash speech they don't like; i just don't see them as having the responsibility to give everyone a platform. If you back private property rights, the onus of responsibility just isn't there. The state has a responsibility to allow everyone free speech, but unless the state is going to take over those private companies, that responsibility just isn't there. Companies are not for the public good. They are for the shareholders.

Edit: worth noting is that i am trying to approach this from a philosophic perspective, its an interesting topic that has room for debate rather than the partisan shit most threads have.
 
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SJW cancel culture shit comes from propaganda firms that work with the democratic party.

it has a two pronged effect of subverting actual leftism and replacing it with identitarian bullshit, making those who espouse such bullshit seem like theyre leaders or strong representatives of "the left". and in return, it discredits and turns people off from the left. people who are otherwise politicially ignorant or perhaps don't pay enough attention to politics will see all the blue haired weirdos flaming each other about gender pronouns and be instantly turned off by the ideology thinking that's all the left is.
 
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gaiusmarius said:
we dont have free markets or capitalism. we have some kind of crony capitalism mixed with facist type govenment and business connections growing at an exponetial rate.
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we've always had that. people are now finally educated and aware enough to see what's going on.
 
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gaiusmarius said:
first you need to copy the part of the url that comes at the end after the = symbol

it will look something like this: g3mqvzN8NVM

you then go to advanced reply page where you will find a youtube button.

use it to put that code in like bellow, just without the *

[YOUTUBEIF*]g3mqvzN8NVM[/YOUTUBEIF*]
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Preciate ya:party:
 
Microbeman

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gaiusmarius said:
nothing what so ever in truth. didnt say it did though.
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You may need to go back and read what you wrote that caused Xavier to post what you replied to. There seems a profound shortage of ability to follow logic, dialect and argument around here.
 
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