Weed vs Opioids: Which Is Better For Pain ?

420somewhere · Mar 1, 2016

I have used both for pain..

The Opiods work great for the post surgery and recovery. I had a pump which I could hit a button and get extra dilaudid. That worked great except that I was whacked.

At home for recovery I have Percocet which I used for a few days. Now I eat edibles as needed (still doing Chemo) and Motrin.

What I have found during 6 weeks of Radiation was that Motrin and a 60mg Indica CanaCookie worked about as good as a Vicodin with my radiation burns :woohoo:

The Motrin would initially kick in and then the CanaCookie helped and I forgot all about the pain. The CanaCookies also help me sleep through the night.

They both work and can work together, but they don't work the same.

Peace

EastCoast710 · Mar 1, 2016

depends on the type of pain.. nerve pain = opiates... any other pain usually just weed.

weedaholic721 · Mar 1, 2016

For me personally its all a matter of which type of pain. Musculoskeletal pain a mix of opioids, nsaids, and cannabis is the most effective for myself. For neuropathic (nerve) pain, cannabis is the only thing that's helps and adding opioids is pointless and just makes me nauseas.

Thcvhunter · Mar 1, 2016

I have a fucked up neck, upper, middle, and lower back.
Ive done dilauded PO and IM and IV with all sorts of piggy backs. That shit doesnt stop pain. And you dont really het any stronger than dilaudid.

Research the mechanics of opioids to pain receptors. You'll see that,
1- you're not stopping the pain, just changing the signal path ever so slightly
2- CBD does the same thing as opiates activate the CB2 receptors.

So, get a couple CBD strains and a couple THC strains and look for a strain with THCV.

Much love and know that psychedlics can help heal damaged neural tissue, so don't feel hopeless.

EastCoast710 · Mar 2, 2016

I wish I could get some relief .. I have tried cbd oil.. and a few other things . so far.. anything cannabis related hasn't had any affect on the amount of pain that I'm in with Sciatica

aridbud · Mar 2, 2016

EastCoast710 said:
depends on the type of pain.. nerve pain = opiates... any other pain usually just weed.

True. Cannabis can decrease pain, but living with it chronically, same dose for 6 yrs, I have to vote for opioids. It works, I can function.

For depression, definitely cannabis wins hands down.

Thcvhunter · Mar 2, 2016

Have you tried psilocybin?

_tessarecting · Mar 2, 2016

Anecdote: I ruptured a disc at L5 5 years ago and have permanent sciatic nerve damage.
I hardly walked for six months...burning stabbing electricuting pain and half my leg would go numb if I moved too much...it was horrific at the time. My friend gave me a flood dose of iboga (I have a healthy heart so no worries there) I was floored for a day, didn't drive for a week, and felt the effects of the noribogaine metabolite for three whole months... tracers... psychedelic strength...it gave me the ability to walk again somehow by strengthening my nerve and also giving me 3 months under its effects to reprogram my body and mind.

I've done it maybe half a dozen times since for maintenence but never hits as hard as the first time. Cannabis now keeps inflamation in check I never experience numbness, neuropathy is significantly diminished to a minimum, and is adequate enough of a pain reliever so that I often hardly notice or forget it's even there. Without cannabis though I'd be fucked. I'm really liking RSO these days.

Thcvhunter · Mar 2, 2016

Great share buddy.
I gotta look into Iboga

Yea RSO is the bees knees.
For serious conditions, like chronic pain, you need really high doses, and not just smoking it - you have to eat it as well

Some days I do tap out and take a dilaudid, but then I dont get the relief that I hope for / expect. This causes me to want to take more but I know better so I pass out and smoke/eat as much as I can.
Opiates create addiction that you won't even be conscious of.
Also, opiates numb your body from releasing endorphines, steroids, and other goodies whenever you do get hurt. So, someone who takes opiate will feel more pain and for longer if he breaks his leg. They also keep your body from healing.
Cannabis and psychidelics for the win.

Annecdote,
The first couple times on mushrooms i got great pain relief for days. Then, bam, the next bunch (many) of trips were "bad" trips. Really, the fungi were making me confront my pain and learn to cope with it.
So I cant say enough for the efficacy of psychedelics for medicine.

armedoldhippy · Mar 2, 2016

for everyday aches, pains, and the "fuck this, i'm tired" syndrome, weed is the go-to for me. helps with arthritis, sleep, pain in feet from diabetic nerve damage, etc. even when i shattered my ankle & was in a cast for weeks, smoking helped more than pills. i quit taking the pills because of the nightmares i was having...no pills = no screaming dreams.

Storm Shadow · Mar 2, 2016

http://www.newsweek.com/pain-drug-peruvian-green-velvet-tarantula-venom-430884

Researchers Tap Peruvian Green Velvet Tarantula Venom for Alternative to Opioid Pain Drugs

By Eric Smillie On 2/29/16 at 12:29 PM

Venomous animals, such as this Chilean rose tarantula, are a promising source for new medicines.

Try not to provoke the Peruvian green velvet tarantula, because when it bites, it leaves a red swelling that hurts like a beesting. But even if you do have an unfortunate run-in with the spider, take solace in this: Scientists are at work turning its venom into sweet relief from your suffering.

Ever since researchers identified painkilling peptides in the tarantula’s venom, labs around the world have been working to fine-tune them into drugs safe for humans. These molecules target the cell membranes of neurons, blocking receptors there that channel messages through the body. The trick is to shut down the right receptors without stopping others from letting important nerve signals get through.

“Tarantulas produce this cocktail of several toxins to kill prey quickly, so it targets several channels—muscles, breathing—to paralyze and kill,” said Sónia Troeira Henriques, senior research officer at the University of Queensland’s Institute for Molecular Bioscience. “Some are very targeted. The idea is to choose channels that are responsible for pain but not, for example, cardiac movement.”

Henriques is part of a team from Queensland that may have found a good candidate. They presented their latest achievements at the Biophysical Society Annual Meeting in Los Angeles.
The researchers identified a suitable peptide, then watched how it worked when it reached the cell membrane. “We found that it first needs to bond, then have the right orientation, and then act on the receptor,” said Henriques. They studied its structure, then designed a synthetic version of their own that was even more likely to hit the pain channel over all others.
If it works, the researchers could be on track to a new drug that would be an alternative to the opioids currently on the market. “It’s easy to develop resistance or side effects with opioids,” said Henriques. “The idea is to increase the pool of drugs available.”

Tynehead Tom · Mar 2, 2016

I was crushed on a jobsite back in 98 by a +400lbs multi port oxygen cylinder that fell and landed flat out on top of me. broke 8 ribs, damaged my diaphragm, separated my tailbone from my pelvis at the Sacroilliac joints.... took me over a year to "walk" supported and 3 years to be self mobile. Through it all, every minute of every day since has been an adventure in managing pain. I was also born with a severe/critical allergy to acetacylic acid, found in "most" of the medications that would assist me with pain and inflammation.
I was a toker before I was injured, and found that good quality weed either eaten or smoked, was and has been since, the best medicine for my issues and contributes positively to my enjoyment of life as a disabled person.
Yes, there are pharmaceuticals that do help me and work quite well, but these give me bowel issues LOL, headaches, and generally leave me to out of it to do much or enjoy much of anything.
I was relieved when my specialist recognized marijuana as an effective tool for a positive outcome and my enjoyment of life. There are some good doctors out there

I thank them and cannabis for all the things I can do that in the beginning, I was told, I probably would never do again.

Thcvhunter · Mar 2, 2016

There are those days when opiates are needed, just try and make sure they are the rarest of days.
Pay attention to your body as you ween off them. Cold turkey leads to psychological crap that just aint worth it. 1/4 dose the next day, 1/8 dose the next two. Another 1/8 if needed 2/3days later - like I said, listen to your body.
CBD will fill those CB2 receptors, which are craving the opiates, also helping relieve the pain so you can cope without opiates.

We are all here to support each other so hit any of us up if you're having a rough day

_tessarecting · Mar 2, 2016

I've posted this in the quit alcohol support thread:

If you ever need help with withdrawal and have not taken SSRI antidepressents for 2 weeks and are not on pharmaceuticals contraindicated with REVERSIBLE monoamine oxidase inhibitors (harmine, harmaline, tetrahydroharmaline...best to ask Dr. if you don't know)
3 grams of syrian rue seeds encapsulated taken the night after stopping/weening off will almost completely stop withdrawal symptoms by flooding receptors and giving one a clean slate. Booster doses can be taken as needed but once can be enough. Costs less than 1$.

Banisteriopsis caapi vine also works very well but dosages vary between strains and batches you could need anywhere from 20 to 250 grams brewed in a tea and without knowing material beforehand its a crapshoot also costs more.

Iboga is the best of the best when it comes to eliminating withdrawal but its illegal in usa and france, can be hard to source, they say you need a strong heart for it as it slows down one of the rhythms of the heart, and is costlier but there are clinics in Mx and Ca.

R.A.W · Mar 2, 2016

Giving advise regarding selftreatment with MAOIS with out giving warning on diatary precautions is unresponsible. Also not giving regards to the effect of for example syrian rue with other drugs is unresponsible. And on psilocybin/psilocin as treatment for nerve pain/damage ? Uhmm... some people here don't have enough respect for psychadelics. I wonder if the posters regarding the subjects really have first hand experiance. I have ...and I still would not give advice, recommend anyone doing them.There are pro's and con's. But I'm not a doctor and would never give that advice. Reminds me of that incident in Holland 2008 and the ban that followed.

_tessarecting · Mar 2, 2016

Hey R.A.W., (loved Wilson) I see where you are coming from, but just to clarify, Reversible maoi are different from MAOI. Diet isn't as contraindicated as it is with the pharmaceutical versions. It's far more of a medication issue, hence why I said if youre on them talk to a doc. Im not a doc but I know rmaoi, syrian rue, is perfectly safe if this is taken into account and have years of experience ingesting them with all kinds of food and other drugs. The only thing I ever found personally that didnt mix was too much caffeine or chocolate.

Dont take my anecdote as law I was just trying to offer a helpful suggestion most people are not aware of. Theres lots of info online. If this is a problem I'll happily keep my mouth shut but no one has contacted in regards to the info and if its against the tou and I missed it I do sincerely apologize. I know it's a fine line we all walk with these things.

Taking a look at both sides, I don't know which is more irresponsible... to speak up about something that may help, or to rely on a broken system whose only answer to opiate withdrawal is methadone...or bed straps...like how Gabor Mate was ordered by the Canadian government to stop treating addicts because it was working... with rmaoi (harmalas)...

R.A.W · Mar 2, 2016

I'm a psychonaut first hand and you should know that not everybody or the other multiples of you ? can handle or want a change in their perception of "reality". In this World with it's rules there are consequences
to actions. Anyways in a thread about people suffering physical pain, recommending psychedelics that first hand change the perception of the World long term and short term is unreponsible .Also any use of psychedelics would most often demand repeated treatment longterm of variuos reason. Never thought I would use the term "treatment" in a context regarding psychedelics. And with psilocin/psilocybin the short term treatment is complicated considering the "depletion" of seratonin after 1-3 Days. And regards to MAOI and diet ..seriously ? Ayahusca, cacti, mushrooms, schrubs, etc... are treated with repect in their respective Cultures I'm not going to "preach" any more tessarecting (also I wasn't only adressing you)...Other people that read this use caution with what you ingest, digest and consume....

_tessarecting · Mar 2, 2016

I think those are very valid points, with any suggestion there should be heavy disclaimers, and you're right, for those of us that are 'far out' we can forget what it's like having never walked down that road long ago. I would agree they are not for everyone, especially those who are predisposed to mental illness. Sometimes that does not end well and awakens/amplifys issues that were dormant prior.

The differences between the maoi diet and reversible maois like harmalas are well documented not just by/on myself.

Further disclaimer in regards to my suggestion:

3g of syrian rue seeds taken by themselves or with cannabis on a light stomach or a few hours after a meal might make you feel dreamy, heavy, see tracers, you might feel slight constriction in the chest, normal, you may feel a little dizzy, or like laying still. You might have visions but they would be fleeting, like day dreams. There is an antiparasitic, antitumor, anticancer, antiviral, anti inflammatory effect. You might notice time dilation. Things seem a little faster. Music pitch might sound higher. At this dose, if you are familiar with cannabis, I couldn't see there being any negative psychological reaction but that obviously depends on who you are. Allowed to let do its thing it has been shown to alleviate and even eliminate withdrawal completely. You should go to sleep, eventually, waking up feeling reborn in a subtle way.

Some people are uncomfortable trying drugs on their own. Invite a loved one over for dinner to be your sitter? Peace

R.A.W · Mar 2, 2016

Quote : While safer than general MAOIs, RIMAs still have highly dangerous and sometimes fatal interactions with many common drugs; in particular, they can cause serotonin syndrome or hypertensive crisis when combined with almost any antidepressant or stimulant, common migraine medications, certain herbs, or even most cold medicines (including decongestants, antihistamines, and cough syrup.)

_tessarecting · Mar 2, 2016

Those certain herbs would be kanna and st. johns wort.
Thank you for the far more articulate and informative piece of info.
Notice how pharmaceuticals are covered, but the old high tyramine diet restrictions have been revoked as they are for non reversible maoi only which is a common misunderstanding. Cover your bases in regards to contraindication (only way if youre on pharmaceuticals is to talk to a doc as I already stated) and it's a safe and viable option. I dont know anyone that has ever had SS from harmalas but it certainly could happen

I got textbook SS symptoms from hersheys cocoa powder mixed with achuma resin balls... I have never been able to figure that one out...other people report no problems, and I've done it in the past without side fx.

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