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Conspiracy Theory and Psychology (You're all mad!)
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This is an excerpt from one of the articles linked in my earlier post:
What actual conspiracies are like
The first important difference is in the very nature of the alleged conspiracy. Consider the myriad political scandals that have rocked the United States over the past half century. From revelations about the CIA’s domestic spying programme and the Watergate scandal in the 1970s, to the more recent findings about extraordinary renditions, mass surveillance or Russia’s attempted interference in elections. Comparable scandals are to be found in other countries around the world.
What these very real instances of secret collusion have in common is that they involved different actors, with disparate aims and goals, limited to certain locations and time frames. In other words, plots and cover-ups exist in the world, but they are multiple, and in most instances unrelated. They cannot be reduced to a single, common denominator.
More importantly, these conspiracies rarely work out according to plan. This is because between any one case of collusion and the wished-for outcome are all kinds of unforeseen and unforeseeable elements. It’s impossible to entirely prevent cock-ups, errors and betrayals. Or control the actions of other individuals and organisations with competing (and often concealed) goals and agendas. As the philosopher Karl Popper argued, the relevant question when explaining dramatic historical events is not “who wanted something to happen?” but “why did things not happen exactly in the way that somebody wanted?”.
How conspiracy theories differ
Conspiracy theorists, of course, see the world very differently. The premise of their argument is not that conspiracies happen, but that they are the motive force in history. Conspiracy theorists are not even interested in the multitude of conflicting conspiracies. Theirs is the quest for spurious connections between disparate historical actors or events. Their plots are overarching and are not limited by time or geography. And they supposedly explain absolutely everything.
This is one reason why conspiracy theorists are notoriously poor at uncovering actual conspiracies. Throughout history, most revelations of illegal activities and cover-ups came to light as a result of solid journalism, official state-sponsored inquiries, or the actions of whistleblowers. The driving force behind many revelations about real conspiracies has been freedom of information acts – a key institution of political transparency.
Meanwhile, not a single scandal has been brought to light by conspiracy theorists. They are too busy chasing the Illuminati, the New World Order, the “military industrial complex”, or supposed Jewish influence in world affairs.
In fact, conspiracy theorists are inherently ambivalent towards revelations about actual conspiracies. Conspiracy theorists see actual conspiracies as small and inconsequential, useful only as evidence that things are not as they seem and, therefore, as potential proof that a lot of other, much more sinister (albeit less plausible) claims might also be true.
On the other hand, the way that real cases of collusion are usually brought to light presents a problem for the conspiracy theorist. It undermines their overall argument, by providing evidence that politicians, large business corporations, or the intelligence agencies are not all-powerful and all-controlling. It highlights the importance in everyday life of mistakes and unintended consequences.
What actual conspiracies are like
The first important difference is in the very nature of the alleged conspiracy. Consider the myriad political scandals that have rocked the United States over the past half century. From revelations about the CIA’s domestic spying programme and the Watergate scandal in the 1970s, to the more recent findings about extraordinary renditions, mass surveillance or Russia’s attempted interference in elections. Comparable scandals are to be found in other countries around the world.
What these very real instances of secret collusion have in common is that they involved different actors, with disparate aims and goals, limited to certain locations and time frames. In other words, plots and cover-ups exist in the world, but they are multiple, and in most instances unrelated. They cannot be reduced to a single, common denominator.
More importantly, these conspiracies rarely work out according to plan. This is because between any one case of collusion and the wished-for outcome are all kinds of unforeseen and unforeseeable elements. It’s impossible to entirely prevent cock-ups, errors and betrayals. Or control the actions of other individuals and organisations with competing (and often concealed) goals and agendas. As the philosopher Karl Popper argued, the relevant question when explaining dramatic historical events is not “who wanted something to happen?” but “why did things not happen exactly in the way that somebody wanted?”.
How conspiracy theories differ
Conspiracy theorists, of course, see the world very differently. The premise of their argument is not that conspiracies happen, but that they are the motive force in history. Conspiracy theorists are not even interested in the multitude of conflicting conspiracies. Theirs is the quest for spurious connections between disparate historical actors or events. Their plots are overarching and are not limited by time or geography. And they supposedly explain absolutely everything.
This is one reason why conspiracy theorists are notoriously poor at uncovering actual conspiracies. Throughout history, most revelations of illegal activities and cover-ups came to light as a result of solid journalism, official state-sponsored inquiries, or the actions of whistleblowers. The driving force behind many revelations about real conspiracies has been freedom of information acts – a key institution of political transparency.
Meanwhile, not a single scandal has been brought to light by conspiracy theorists. They are too busy chasing the Illuminati, the New World Order, the “military industrial complex”, or supposed Jewish influence in world affairs.
In fact, conspiracy theorists are inherently ambivalent towards revelations about actual conspiracies. Conspiracy theorists see actual conspiracies as small and inconsequential, useful only as evidence that things are not as they seem and, therefore, as potential proof that a lot of other, much more sinister (albeit less plausible) claims might also be true.
On the other hand, the way that real cases of collusion are usually brought to light presents a problem for the conspiracy theorist. It undermines their overall argument, by providing evidence that politicians, large business corporations, or the intelligence agencies are not all-powerful and all-controlling. It highlights the importance in everyday life of mistakes and unintended consequences.
Hempy McNoodle
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Typical Conspiracy Theorist...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEGpTu8sVKI
(Disregard Bernie, he's a charlatan)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEGpTu8sVKI
(Disregard Bernie, he's a charlatan)
Military spending was around 10% of GDP at the time Ike voiced his concerns. It's about 3.4% atm.
Haha, you are in the right thread.This message brought to you by MKUltra and the people that made pot illegal.
'No plan, no Q, nothing'
'No plan, no Q, nothing'
I consider Qanon one of the craziest Conspiracy theories out there.
Thought this article was interesting.
'No plan, no Q, nothing': QAnon followers reel as Biden inaugurated
By Joseph Menn, Elizabeth Culliford, Katie Paul, Carrie Monahan
SAN FRANCISCO/NEW YORK (Reuters) - For three years, adherents of the sprawling QAnon conspiracy theory awaited a so-called Great Awakening, scouring anonymous web postings from a shadowy “Q” figure and parsing statements by former U.S. President Donald Trump, whom they believed to be their champion.
On Wednesday, they grappled with a harsh reality check: Trump had left office with no mass arrests or other victories against the supposed cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophile cannibal elites, especially Democrats, he was ostensibly fighting.
Instead, Democratic President Joseph Biden was calmly sworn into office, leaving legions of QAnon faithful struggling to make sense of what had transpired.
In one Telegram channel with more than 18,400 members, QAnon believers were split between those still urging others to ‘trust the plan’ and those saying they felt betrayed. “It’s obvious now we’ve been had. No plan, no Q, nothing,” wrote one user.
Some messages referenced theories that a coup was going to take place before the end of Inauguration Day. Others moved the goalposts again, speculating that Trump would be sworn into office on Mar. 4.
“Does anybody have any idea what we should be waiting for next or what the next move could be?” asked another user, who said they wanted to have a ‘big win’ and arrests made.
Jared Holt, a disinformation researcher at the Atlantic Council, said he had never before seen disillusionment in the QAnon communities he monitors at this scale.
“It’s the whole ‘trust the plan’ thing. Q believers have just allowed themselves to be strung from failed promise to failed promise.”
“The whole movement is called into question now.”
A poll with more than 36,000 votes conducted in another QAnon Telegram channel before Biden’s swearing-in ceremony showed that more than 20% of respondents predicted nothing would in fact happen and Biden would become president, according to the Q Origins Project, which tracks the movement.
However, 34% believe “the military & Trump have a plan coming in the near future,” even while acknowledging the transfer of presidential power.
JARRING REVERSAL
The anonymous person or people known as “Q” started posting the vague predictions that would become the basis of the QAnon movement on message board 4chan in 2017, claiming to be a Trump administration insider with top secret security clearance.
The number of followers exploded with the arrival of the coronavirus last year, providing a sense of community missing in many people’s isolated pandemic lives by encouraging participants to “do their own research” and contribute findings to the crowd.
Q interpreters have become mini-celebrities in their own right, spreading the gospel on mainstream sites like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube and raising money with appeals to charity or merchandise sales, before the social media platforms cracked down late last year.
Among them was Ron Watkins, who was among a small group of movement leaders who stepped up their public activity after Trump’s loss in the Nov. 3 election, as the “drops” from Q slowed and then stopped.
The longtime administrator of 8kun, an unmoderated forum where Q posted alongside violent extremists and racists, Watkins adopted the cryptic tone of Q in the past two months on Twitter and then Telegram.
At the same time he positioned himself as an expert on election fraud, getting retweeted by Trump and interviewed by Trump-favored media outlets such as One America News Network.
In one of the most jarring apparent reversals on Wednesday, Watkins appeared to admit defeat, posting: “We have a new president sworn in and it is our responsibility as citizens to respect the Constitution regardless of whether or not we agree with the specifics.”
“Please remember all the friends and happy memories we made together over the past few years.” He said he was working on a new venture, but gave no further details.
On TheDonald.win, a reconstituted version of the Reddit forum “The Donald” that long served as an online home for Trump loyalists, users turned on Watkins and accused him of being a “shill” and a CIA plant.
Other fringe groups, including neo-Nazis, said they intended to capitalize on the disarray by stepping up recruitment from among QAnon followers.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...owers-reel-as-biden-inaugurated-idUSKBN29P2VO
'No plan, no Q, nothing'
I consider Qanon one of the craziest Conspiracy theories out there.
Thought this article was interesting.
'No plan, no Q, nothing': QAnon followers reel as Biden inaugurated
By Joseph Menn, Elizabeth Culliford, Katie Paul, Carrie Monahan
SAN FRANCISCO/NEW YORK (Reuters) - For three years, adherents of the sprawling QAnon conspiracy theory awaited a so-called Great Awakening, scouring anonymous web postings from a shadowy “Q” figure and parsing statements by former U.S. President Donald Trump, whom they believed to be their champion.
On Wednesday, they grappled with a harsh reality check: Trump had left office with no mass arrests or other victories against the supposed cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophile cannibal elites, especially Democrats, he was ostensibly fighting.
Instead, Democratic President Joseph Biden was calmly sworn into office, leaving legions of QAnon faithful struggling to make sense of what had transpired.
In one Telegram channel with more than 18,400 members, QAnon believers were split between those still urging others to ‘trust the plan’ and those saying they felt betrayed. “It’s obvious now we’ve been had. No plan, no Q, nothing,” wrote one user.
Some messages referenced theories that a coup was going to take place before the end of Inauguration Day. Others moved the goalposts again, speculating that Trump would be sworn into office on Mar. 4.
“Does anybody have any idea what we should be waiting for next or what the next move could be?” asked another user, who said they wanted to have a ‘big win’ and arrests made.
Jared Holt, a disinformation researcher at the Atlantic Council, said he had never before seen disillusionment in the QAnon communities he monitors at this scale.
“It’s the whole ‘trust the plan’ thing. Q believers have just allowed themselves to be strung from failed promise to failed promise.”
“The whole movement is called into question now.”
A poll with more than 36,000 votes conducted in another QAnon Telegram channel before Biden’s swearing-in ceremony showed that more than 20% of respondents predicted nothing would in fact happen and Biden would become president, according to the Q Origins Project, which tracks the movement.
However, 34% believe “the military & Trump have a plan coming in the near future,” even while acknowledging the transfer of presidential power.
JARRING REVERSAL
The anonymous person or people known as “Q” started posting the vague predictions that would become the basis of the QAnon movement on message board 4chan in 2017, claiming to be a Trump administration insider with top secret security clearance.
The number of followers exploded with the arrival of the coronavirus last year, providing a sense of community missing in many people’s isolated pandemic lives by encouraging participants to “do their own research” and contribute findings to the crowd.
Q interpreters have become mini-celebrities in their own right, spreading the gospel on mainstream sites like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube and raising money with appeals to charity or merchandise sales, before the social media platforms cracked down late last year.
Among them was Ron Watkins, who was among a small group of movement leaders who stepped up their public activity after Trump’s loss in the Nov. 3 election, as the “drops” from Q slowed and then stopped.
The longtime administrator of 8kun, an unmoderated forum where Q posted alongside violent extremists and racists, Watkins adopted the cryptic tone of Q in the past two months on Twitter and then Telegram.
At the same time he positioned himself as an expert on election fraud, getting retweeted by Trump and interviewed by Trump-favored media outlets such as One America News Network.
In one of the most jarring apparent reversals on Wednesday, Watkins appeared to admit defeat, posting: “We have a new president sworn in and it is our responsibility as citizens to respect the Constitution regardless of whether or not we agree with the specifics.”
“Please remember all the friends and happy memories we made together over the past few years.” He said he was working on a new venture, but gave no further details.
On TheDonald.win, a reconstituted version of the Reddit forum “The Donald” that long served as an online home for Trump loyalists, users turned on Watkins and accused him of being a “shill” and a CIA plant.
Other fringe groups, including neo-Nazis, said they intended to capitalize on the disarray by stepping up recruitment from among QAnon followers.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...owers-reel-as-biden-inaugurated-idUSKBN29P2VO
St. Phatty
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The core Qanon concepts, about child abuse, and ritual human sacrifice, are firmly grounded in reality.
just read Blood Passover, by Prof. Ariel Toaff.
Look up St. Simon. Simon was a 2 year old.
as far as the connection with the Dems, yes the Israel supporters do run the Dem party.
Of course they also run the GOP.
the rituals described in Blood Passover are more from the time of the middle ages.
The continuing Ritual Sacrifice of Gentiles, by Jews, is unfortunately a "living" tradition. Still on going.
The murder of 100,000+ retreating Iraqi's on Purim Day 1991, is one example.
Of course, it's not like they're going to show their Day-timer. So you're left with disparate Conspiracy Facts.
just read Blood Passover, by Prof. Ariel Toaff.
Look up St. Simon. Simon was a 2 year old.
as far as the connection with the Dems, yes the Israel supporters do run the Dem party.
Of course they also run the GOP.
the rituals described in Blood Passover are more from the time of the middle ages.
The continuing Ritual Sacrifice of Gentiles, by Jews, is unfortunately a "living" tradition. Still on going.
The murder of 100,000+ retreating Iraqi's on Purim Day 1991, is one example.
Of course, it's not like they're going to show their Day-timer. So you're left with disparate Conspiracy Facts.
100,000 civilian casualties in a country that STARTED a war by invading a neighbor & refusing to leave. yup, that is hell/war. WTF does it have to do with Purim Day? you want to blame all of the dead civilians on Israel? what evidence is there RE "child abuse" versus the Q conspiracy about cannibals, child sex abuse, & those awful Jews that you think are to blame for everything? well, except for Hillarys inputs, the Jews get it all... the core of Q is bullshit, always has been. trash for the simple-minded and desperate...
Hempy McNoodle
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Q often mentioned "10 days darkness." So, I'll wait until Freedom Day (Feb 1, 2021), before I give up hope.
geneva_sativa
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Ask Garry Webb what he thinks about conspiracy theories...
Or Michael Ruppert,,,
geneva_sativa
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But imagine the w.h.o. and cdc are now saying what several here were saying a year ago,,, the numbers are cooked,,, the pcr tests are cycled up so high rendering false positives,,, and they will now turn tbe cycles down, just in time for the new administration,,,
and lets watch and see how the boot lickers and resident virus experts aka glorified pollen chuckers,, rush in to say bidens mask mandate was the magic that turned the tide, LOL
and lets watch and see how the boot lickers and resident virus experts aka glorified pollen chuckers,, rush in to say bidens mask mandate was the magic that turned the tide, LOL
- Interesting video's - truth or a conspiracy theory? - I'll leave that for you to determine -
https://archive.org/details/EUROPATheLastBattle/EUROPA+-+The+Last+Battle+-+Part+1.mp4
''EUROPA – The Last Battle ~ The Full Documentary (2017)
Trailer for the upcoming WW2 documentary "EUROPA - The Last Battle" by Tobias Bratt. Since the mid-20th century, the world has only ever heard one side of the most horrific war in human history. We are today living in the world of the victors of that war and without an objective, rational and balanced view of our history, we are doomed to repeat the mistakes. After World War Two, the victors of the war not only went on to write our history books , but also going so far as to criminalize the mere questioning of the official story’s orthodoxy. The truth is, that our world today can only be understood through a correct understanding of World War II, the forces behind it and the conflicts between Globalism and Nationalism.
For very good reasons, most people don't trust the mainstream media anymore. You have already heard the official history millions of times, In this film you will find the secret history, where you will find the real causes of the events.
The intention with this documentary is to correct over 70 years of misinformation, restore the truth, the honesty and justice in the world. We must face the truth, however unpleasant and inconvenient it may be. We can’t do anything about the past; but by correcting the misinformation and distortions of the truth attached to it, we can unite and make sure that these horrors never will be repeated.''
interesting book - https://www.chinhnghia.com/The-Creature-from-Jekyll-Island-by-G.-Edward-Griffin.pdf
* if you feel like this book and these video's are not truthful, are nothing but a fake conspiracy theory - then can you point out exactly why? -
** - it makes sense because still humanity is tribal - and one tribe will always dominate - and has dominated over history - although we are not informed of this within our educational establishments - or main stream media - where history is hidden/discarded or changed to suit the top tribe -
https://archive.org/details/EUROPATheLastBattle/EUROPA+-+The+Last+Battle+-+Part+1.mp4
''EUROPA – The Last Battle ~ The Full Documentary (2017)
Trailer for the upcoming WW2 documentary "EUROPA - The Last Battle" by Tobias Bratt. Since the mid-20th century, the world has only ever heard one side of the most horrific war in human history. We are today living in the world of the victors of that war and without an objective, rational and balanced view of our history, we are doomed to repeat the mistakes. After World War Two, the victors of the war not only went on to write our history books , but also going so far as to criminalize the mere questioning of the official story’s orthodoxy. The truth is, that our world today can only be understood through a correct understanding of World War II, the forces behind it and the conflicts between Globalism and Nationalism.
For very good reasons, most people don't trust the mainstream media anymore. You have already heard the official history millions of times, In this film you will find the secret history, where you will find the real causes of the events.
The intention with this documentary is to correct over 70 years of misinformation, restore the truth, the honesty and justice in the world. We must face the truth, however unpleasant and inconvenient it may be. We can’t do anything about the past; but by correcting the misinformation and distortions of the truth attached to it, we can unite and make sure that these horrors never will be repeated.''
interesting book - https://www.chinhnghia.com/The-Creature-from-Jekyll-Island-by-G.-Edward-Griffin.pdf
* if you feel like this book and these video's are not truthful, are nothing but a fake conspiracy theory - then can you point out exactly why? -
** - it makes sense because still humanity is tribal - and one tribe will always dominate - and has dominated over history - although we are not informed of this within our educational establishments - or main stream media - where history is hidden/discarded or changed to suit the top tribe -
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- I'll leave that for the individual (you) to determine - much to watch and read before you can come to a conclusion -
I watch a read a lot already. Present your case.
- I'm no lawyer - so I have no 'case' to present - other than the video and the book above - read/watch - then let us know what you honestly think of it -
Punxsutawney Phil and I will be in PA the next day. Come join us for the Sunrise Service. There are still watermarks to decipher.
Don't give up hope. Hope for something better.
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