Important Informatiom On IP logging

Rezdog said:

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I spoke to an Absolute Expert regarding this "IP Logging" debacle,and he assured me that there's not fuckall of a way to get a warrant simply based on posts from a particular IP.
If you used your "real" email addy to activate an OG/CW account,that'd be one way to track you,but I-f'ing P's are NOT going to be the downfall of anybody posting on these VB sites.
QuitfuckingWORRYING.


Thanks.

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I read most of the posts in OG's Security and Legal forum for over a year before OG died. I never heard of anyone being busted due to random information gathered as a result of electronic surveillance. Why...because it's simply not legal under the U.S. justice system; I expect not under Canada's either.

Go back to the Marc Emery thing, all of the Marc the Narc blah blah blah. It was a huge DEA-driven bust. But, nobody other than Emery and his two employees were busted. Why...because authorities are going for maximum return on investment; bust the big seed distributors instead of trying to chase down every podunk grower on the North American continent.

On the other hand, I did read dozens of "I just got bustid because I'm stoopid" threads. One of my favorites was the bonehead who walked past a parked cop car and couldn't prevent himself from flippin' the bird. Good thinkin, dude!

If getting busted due to a random sweep of IP addresses is your biggest worry, you are in really good shape.

ever heard of a Mac Address as well? Thats how your pc gets marked with a id.

But your right. people at the moment are not getting busted. But dont you here about those stories about Child Porn on some guys pc's. A teachers, a father yada yada yada.. They may have not used it on us.. but it is a very good possibility

Stay Safe

securitycmsfrst said:

ever heard of a Mac Address as well? Thats how your pc gets marked with a id.

But your right. people at the moment are not getting busted. But dont you here about those stories about Child Porn on some guys pc's. A teachers, a father yada yada yada.. They may have not used it on us.. but it is a very good possibility

Stay Safe

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Nobody here can see my MAC address or yours. MAC addresses aren't sent across the network, they are local to the physical link that your PC is connected to. You are going through dozens of routers in the network; routers strip your MAC address and subsitute theirs when they forward traffic.

Assholes who get busted for child porn do it because they lead investigators to themselves...stings, solicitations, chat, etc., not through IP address surveillance. People around here get it backwards...first you make some dipshit move to become a target of investigation, then the surveillance starts, not the other way around.

If I get busted it won't be through IP address logging or any information on this site, it will because I screwed up somewhere along the line.

Caution is key in staying safe, but much of what is thrown around here right now is unfounded uninformed paranoia.

People around here get it backwards...first you make some dipshit move to become a target of investigation, then the surveillance starts, not the other way around.

If I get busted it won't be through IP address logging or any information on this site, it will because I screwed up somewhere along the line.

Caution is key in staying safe, but much of what is thrown around here right now is unfounded uninformed paranoia.

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One of the most sensible things I've seen posted in days...

Im not really all that upset but I have medical so Im not tripp'n. They can come a knockin and leave with a pissed off attitude.

The proxy programs are helpful but aren't fool proof, something about java apps still giving up your ip which runs through a different port other than the web browser. Its cool when you open firefox up and the homepage loads in italian because it sees your ip/computer coming from somewhere in Italy. Anybody got a tip on the java side of running through a proxy?

Useful thread for a change, glad to see it. :smile:

IMBoggled had a good informative article about using tor and privoxy. If I can find it I'll add a link.

2buds said:

Its cool when you open firefox up and the homepage loads in italian because it sees your ip/computer coming from somewhere in Italy. .

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Exactly, I know what city my ISP's proxy is in; there's a site I go to that has a web "dating" service as a sponsor; they're always showing all the hot babes in that city who want to meet me!

Their proxy is secure for sure; I've verified it, but once again, people have to understand their own situations and act accordingly.

Good you guys don't keep ip logs. Wonder what prog i should use to bounce or mask my ip.

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Braniac said:

Nobody here can see my MAC address or yours. MAC addresses aren't sent across the network, they are local to the physical link that your PC is connected to.

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Well kind of. First I am speaking with knowledge since I have been involved in the cable space for many years and am well versed on what information gets passed back to the network. Most of this can be found in the DOCSIS - Data over cable service interface specification - which was created and run by CableLabs. CL is funded by the cable comapnies as a standardization body.

Anyway, MAC addresses for the first device behind a cable modem are accessible (viewable) by the cable provider. If you are a single PC setup this is your PC; if you use a router/gateway than this is what is shown. Before I forget this information applies to capabilites available from the network side, i.e. there does not need to be any client software. Now with the XP Media Center and several other local (client side) solutions there are many ways to use the local device to gather a MAC address or other relevant table and present it to a remote location. TO DATE I DO NOT KNOW OF ANY CABLE OPERATOR DOING THIS. However in order to solve some issues, like supporting a home network setup from the network side, many companies are looking and potetentially deploying solutions that have htis capability even if this is not the intended use.

And finally for those that dont believe this call you cable operator with a home netowrk installed and ask for support. You may need to get to a level 2 technician but you will most likely find that they will TELL YOU that you have a network in place and that they cannot support you. This is all done by MAC address since like IP's the pool of #'s are controlled and contain identifiers to define the equipment provider and associated type of device.

Jubei said:

Wonder what prog i should use to bounce or mask my ip.

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not sure, im looking for a better alternative when im at the home computer..but i use "hipe IP platunim"..when i run it, it shows my ip in diff country

Thanks i'll have to try that one out.