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I just noticed the reader comments on Willamette Week to Elise Herron's The Oil Wars Post, which was about the upcoming patent wars.
It goes to show that success has many authors, while failure is a bastard child.
Suffice to say that some were unkind, especially those from Indra, so I'm thinking it is time to lay the cards on the table regarding who has which patent.
Just goes to show folks can say anything, whether they have supporting data or not.
Allow me to share the story of the Terpenator, and dispel some myths.
First, the whole Terpenator story is at:
https://thealchemistresource.thealchemistresource.com/p/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
As you will note, my inspiration came from a 2006 post on ICMag, by FOAF and I had not heard of Tamisium or Indra.
When I did learn of Tamisium, his patent application had been rejected once, and since there was clearly prior art donated to public domain by FOAF, I didn’t see how he could get one, which brings us to the second issue, and that is what all does the patent cover.
Except for the warm fuzzies from publishing an affordable design that, mimicked my own Mk III design without pumps, as public service to low income medical cannabis patients, before any patents were granted, how have I profited??
Secondly, David most definitely didn’t come up with the Terpenator design using pumps, which is a matter of record the direction I took my R&D, so question his patent covering that as well.
That brings us to Indra, whom only recently surfaced after a decade of ignoring the development.
Doing a little searching (thank you Skyhighler), the earliest mention I could find was freejon on 07-15-98 in erowid:
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=100222
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=90292
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=567313
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
Here is Indra’s 1999 and 2014 post detailing open blasting through a PVC tube:
https://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info13.shtml
Here is his patent applied for in 2002 and granted in 2006, which uses a solvent mist for extraction, not a solvent liquid.
https://www.google.com/patents/US7002029
Ostensibly somehow unique enough to not be covered in 1931 patent by Emmet Ebenezer. https://google.com/patents/US1802533
Neither patent ostensibly covers the BHO closed loop system that either Tamisium or I have exploited. Nor that of any of the other closed loop systems of various designs that have sprung up since I published mine.
You can often measure a person’s resolve by their actions better than their words and Indra has certainly made patent claims for the whole extraction industry, but has wisely done nothing more than make noise and waves.
The Oils War article at: https://thealchemistresource.thealchemistresource.com/p/normal-0-false-false-false_33.html
I just noticed the reader comments on Willamette Week to Elise Herron's The Oil Wars Post, which was about the upcoming patent wars.
It goes to show that success has many authors, while failure is a bastard child.
Suffice to say that some were unkind, especially those from Indra, so I'm thinking it is time to lay the cards on the table regarding who has which patent.
Just goes to show folks can say anything, whether they have supporting data or not.
Allow me to share the story of the Terpenator, and dispel some myths.
First, the whole Terpenator story is at:
https://thealchemistresource.thealchemistresource.com/p/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
As you will note, my inspiration came from a 2006 post on ICMag, by FOAF and I had not heard of Tamisium or Indra.
When I did learn of Tamisium, his patent application had been rejected once, and since there was clearly prior art donated to public domain by FOAF, I didn’t see how he could get one, which brings us to the second issue, and that is what all does the patent cover.
Except for the warm fuzzies from publishing an affordable design that, mimicked my own Mk III design without pumps, as public service to low income medical cannabis patients, before any patents were granted, how have I profited??
Secondly, David most definitely didn’t come up with the Terpenator design using pumps, which is a matter of record the direction I took my R&D, so question his patent covering that as well.
That brings us to Indra, whom only recently surfaced after a decade of ignoring the development.
Doing a little searching (thank you Skyhighler), the earliest mention I could find was freejon on 07-15-98 in erowid:
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=100222
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=90292
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=567313
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
Here is Indra’s 1999 and 2014 post detailing open blasting through a PVC tube:
https://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info13.shtml
Here is his patent applied for in 2002 and granted in 2006, which uses a solvent mist for extraction, not a solvent liquid.
https://www.google.com/patents/US7002029
Ostensibly somehow unique enough to not be covered in 1931 patent by Emmet Ebenezer. https://google.com/patents/US1802533
Neither patent ostensibly covers the BHO closed loop system that either Tamisium or I have exploited. Nor that of any of the other closed loop systems of various designs that have sprung up since I published mine.
You can often measure a person’s resolve by their actions better than their words and Indra has certainly made patent claims for the whole extraction industry, but has wisely done nothing more than make noise and waves.
The Oils War article at: https://thealchemistresource.thealchemistresource.com/p/normal-0-false-false-false_33.html
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