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Old 07-17-2017, 05:59 AM #21
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You sure .Just dealt with that when my rez temps got high. AC went down and it was over 100F outside yikes!

Use Pro Tekt is slows is down a lot.

If it is fusarium the very bottom of the stem where it meets the soil will usually swell and my burst/crack.

Get your temps down and use silicon.
I have been feeding silica and actinovate, plus spraying with copper, and actinovate.

Using procidic now. Used Daconil in past, but not sure how safe for smoking, especially since 2 weeks to harvest. procodic can be used until day after harvest.
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I have been feeding silica and actinovate, plus spraying with copper, and actinovate.

Using procidic now. Used Daconil in past, but not sure how safe for smoking, especially since 2 weeks to harvest. procodic can be used until day after harvest.
No daconil anywhere near flowers.

I used a 10% bleach solution right at tge base of plant. Did not saturate roots! Just the base. Did not damage plants. 90% recovered fully. Well also got res temps back down.

Good luck hope you make it to harvest
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That's funny when ever I mention the non defloiation team I always
Mention Jorge.

Jorge is an outdoor grower. Defoliating trees is dumb. Hence his opinion.

I find most people against usually haven't tried it.

I have found out otherwise. Better quality bud and yield. If you do it right.
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That's definitely more than what I usually do. How often do you usually defol? My set up is very similar, except for using LEDs now. Do you do any other pruning? Those plants look nice and free of useless small nug.


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People can talk solar panels and stress all they want. You know what is stressful to a plant? Not producing seeds.

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Correct me if I am wrong on this, but while all the leaves work to absorb light and help convert sugars for its food supply, not every leaf goes to the total growth of the plant. If you cut a leaf on a left branch, it wont affect the growths on the other branch. Similarly, if you cut a fan leaf thats attached to the main stalk, you are slowing the bud branch's growth, but not the buds growth since the buds growth is affected by light to its sugar leaf. So, you are able to remove all of your stalk fan leaves once your plant switches its focus to bud development over vegetative growth.

I also find it funny that a lot of defoliation's detractors are people who dont even top their plant. Obviously you dont need to remove leaves when you grow a single branch...

Very true. This is my first time getting FIM to work for me and there is a lot more leaves with the extra leaders. Even compared to lst, it's crazy how dence they are.
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That's definitely more than what I usually do. How often do you usually defol? My set up is very similar, except for using LEDs now. Do you do any other pruning? Those plants look nice and free of useless small
21 days and 42 days. I leave 3 fans on every growth shoot. No more no less. You'll see how much bud they put on in 1 wk. I'll post more pics; see If I can bring some guys to the dark side!! Haha!!
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21 days and 42 days. I leave 3 fans on every growth shoot. No more no less. You'll see how much bud they put on in 1 wk. I'll post more pics; see If I can bring some guys to the dark side!! Haha!!
Hmm today is day 18 of my veg. I just trimmed the lower useless branches and such off. I'm going to try the 3 per shoot method. Should I give it a couple days or just do it today in one fell swoop?
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Hmm today is day 18 of my veg. I just trimmed the lower useless branches and such off. I'm going to try the 3 per shoot method. Should I give it a couple days or just do it today in one fell swoop?
Oh sorry. 21 & 42 of flower. No defoliation in veg. It slows them down.
Only do so if you need air flow. Don't strip to 3 fans unless you are in flower
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Oh sorry. 21 & 42 of flower. No defoliation in veg. It slows them down.
Only do so if you need air flow. Don't strip to 3 fans unless you are in flower
I grow OG kush. Once they start to branch out a bit i strip the fans. Once the light gets down into the lower part of the plant all the branches grow up in a nice even crown. I top when theres 4 to 8 nodes, its really nice when all the tops are at the same level
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You can categorize leaves by where they grow on the plant. There are leaves that grow at nodes of the central stem, those directly attached at nodes of secondary stems, those whose petioles attach to the nodes of tertiary stems, and so on. The primary leaves are your first big fan leaves and the first to turn yellow and drop off (these are also the big leaves sticking out of your top cola). These different categories of leaves appear in succession.

I've grown a lot of plants where I trained them down, tightly wound around the rim of a 1gal container. This packs leaves together and though many fan leaves can be tucked, some have to be removed. This is done at the start of 12/12 lighting. I've experimented with cutting as few as possible, and also trimmed almost all the primary leaves which really open the plants up again to air and light. I can't make any certain statement about ultimate yields here, but I've been surprised at how quick the defoliated plants bounce back, producing a full canopy of green again. I've wondered if these are stages in the plant's growth cycle, and if removing these primary leaves before their natural senescence, allows the plant to step out of the vegetative stage, bumping the plant up into flowering mode a bit ahead of schedule. If so, this could explain the claims of higher yields.
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I dont cut the leaves off the main stem after i top the plants, let them start to branch out a little bit then cut off all the leaves on the main stalk to let the light down to the lower branches so they all grow up as a nice even cannopy. If i dont top my OGs theydont branch very well or only the top half will and i end up knocking off some of what was below wasting some veg time when i could just top earlier
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You can categorize leaves by where they grow on the plant. There are leaves that grow at nodes of the central stem, those directly attached at nodes of secondary stems, those whose petioles attach to the nodes of tertiary stems, and so on. The primary leaves are your first big fan leaves and the first to turn yellow and drop off (these are also the big leaves sticking out of your top cola). These different categories of leaves appear in succession.

I've grown a lot of plants where I trained them down, tightly wound around the rim of a 1gal container. This packs leaves together and though many fan leaves can be tucked, some have to be removed. This is done at the start of 12/12 lighting. I've experimented with cutting as few as possible, and also trimmed almost all the primary leaves which really open the plants up again to air and light. I can't make any certain statement about ultimate yields here, but I've been surprised at how quick the defoliated plants bounce back, producing a full canopy of green again. I've wondered if these are stages in the plant's growth cycle, and if removing these primary leaves before their natural senescence, allows the plant to step out of the vegetative stage, bumping the plant up into flowering mode a bit ahead of schedule. If so, this could explain the claims of higher yields.
Healthy plants produce way more leaves than they need. It's natural for predators to much some; as you'll know if the deer ever find your patch.

So you can remove lots without too much stress. But only on healthy fast growing plants.

If I was a plant and my leaves got eaten I would grow upwards to get away from predators. And a plant in flower that gets eaten produces more flowers in a self preservation move.
The above is anecdotal and not science. Just my experience.
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