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Old 07-01-2017, 06:16 AM #1
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Combining Oxycodone and Cannabis and Moving

I suffer from unbelievable pain which originates in the neck, works it's way down my spine, pins and needles ( sometimes ) in both arms down to the fingers. A chiropractor who I should have listened to in west Boca Raton predicted this was going to happen. Well it happened Dr Wydlich, I wish I listed to you.


The standard fare here was to go thru a series of physical therapies at the hospital which I endured for 2 years . At that time my opioid intake INCREASED to 8 pills a day ( the bigger ones ). I was a zombie and could not do much of anything other than lay on the bed and stare or finally fall asleep.


I added cannabis to my daily regimen and was able to reduce my intake of this poison from 8 pills per day, to 7 1/2, to 7, to 6 1/2 and so on and so forth down to anywhere between 1.25 pills a day and 2 pills. Depends on the weather among other things . Because of this, a true scumbag doctor set me up with the dea bag and then bounced me ( IMMEDIATELY ) from pain relief. Fortunately in this regard I'm an old guy and am quite searchable, when I threatened this asshole with a serious financial commitment just to fend me off he relented and did not add it to my file, just no more pain relief. What kind of a lowlife would treat a patient in severe pain this way?


Anyway, my regular doc helps me and this doc knows me better than any doctor so that helps . Weed though is dragging it's feet despite 72% voting for it and we would therefore like to move to a legal state but the problem then is where do I get the opioids that I need without being subjected to all the bullcrap?


What would you do? Stay put? Thanks in advance
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Hey Tudo,

I think most dr's and pain management in particular are going to bow to the dea, most have to justify the dosages/frequency etc., and in my experience are more focused on getting you off opiates.
My primary seems to be an exception, but I went to him for six months before needing to go back on opiates (MVA related). I'm sure he has the same dea requirements as others, but I've never been drug tested in the four years with him on opiates.

It sounds like you want to legally smoke weed and get opiates prescribed, in California I don't think you can do that, at least from what I can tell. Dea holds control and drs don't want to lose prescribing rights.
If you have access to weed and your dr is prescribing what you need and not testing for weed, that may be a hard deal to beat.

Otherwise you could pick a legal state but have to hope you could get " lucky" and find a dr who won't have you drug tested. Cause once your tested, and if you really need pain meds you'd be out of luck
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Old 08-19-2017, 10:31 PM #4
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Tudo,

I feel your pain. Don't hold your breath for legalization. You found cannabis before it was "legal", and you can again. My suggestion is that as you slowly taper off the meds (before your dr. changes the dose), start saving the unused ones for backup. In the future, whenever you can't stand it, those extra pills will be there as a safety net. Just having them with me makes me feel more at ease.

Don't let them control you. Take measures to have a safety net before you get made to step down.

I would stay put. Get clean pee (no marijuana) and add some of your crushed up pill (to test positive for opioid that you are prescribed).

Good luck!
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I basicly have no limit on opioids, non operable cancer. Discovered in 2005, contrast images to get the feeder artery size indicated it was terminal with a median life of ten years, 20% in 5, 80% in 12. I do not like morphine and used the least amount practical. An oil extract taken simultaneously cuts the dose needed in half.

I cannot take enough anymore without the side effects overwhelming me, even with marijuana.
If it cannot take enough to help then I will do without. Fourth day now and I have reached a point where I cannot even smoke myself into a stupor even with the 85% extract I am imbibing.
Marijuana does extend the useful life of Morphine, but does not replace it. Mostly it stopped the rebound inflammation enabling the smaller doses to continue to be effective.
And yeah, 12 years and an even 100 pounds lighter, I miss the mood boost of morphine, but that is lost in high doses.

In my youth I made a couple batches of 95% to 98% THC but then quit because I genuinely felt it was dangerous. Clear and thin, I went in convulsions on five separate occasions on doses approaching an eighth gram each taken one after another.

Refined THC is no less a drug than Morphine and only the fact of it being available is such dilute quantities makes it harmless.
Think an ounce of Everclear at 95% alcohol versus an ounce of alcohol in a couple beers.
Not even close to the same experience, not really even comparable at all. The Everclear can kill you easily, the beer not so much.

Fentanyl, oxycodone, morphine, and codeine are opiates but not equal.
Oxycodone is ten time as powerful as morphine but the effects of the two are like that beer and Everclear comparison, The same eventual blood level does not indicate a similar level of relief.

The opiate drugs are political rather than medical due to the beliefs of our congress persons, and it looks to remain that way. Free, white, and 21 increases your odds most considerably in acquiring needed medication.
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Hey Tudo: Colorado is nice but I have been here very many years. Housing is getting too expensive, and the traffic around Denver is brutal. Denver city is very weed friendly, but a lot of the suburbs are right wing, and East and West Colorado state is still very conservative. Boulder and the mountain towns around there are weed friendly but again housing and traffic are brutal. The same with Ft. Collins but I don't think it is as bad. If you are able to take a vacation over this way you can get a feel of Colorado and see if you even like it. I don't know much about Opiates here, but I see chatter about the "Opiate Crisis" every day so things will only get worse.

How is the grow your own weed situation for you in Florida? Good luck for you.
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Lived in CO before and after legalization. Big stigma regarding opiod use. Just because cannabis is legal doesn't mean you can use and be prescribed Rx. Quite the connundrum.
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Modern medicine is going into extreme dark overlord in not wanting to prescribe anything with a street value. I think half of these guys don't know shit about drugs. You can read all day about drugs, yet one pill or whatever is going to teach a lot more.

Is there a treatment that can fix the problem?

Worse case scenario you grow some poppies. Personally I find poppy latex to be a bit of a devil. Kratom also provides some relief and is a slightly less devil of a drug. Worse thing about using only cannabis is it takes a lot of it to really treat strong pain.

Lastly there is raging drunkiness. I don't get these drs half the time. They are more worried about the taboo of drug use than actually doing their overpaid duties. They make us all out to be addicts when we show knowledge of drugs.

Honestly I would want to beat that drs ass.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:13 AM #9
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Alaska has had 'legal' medical cannabis since 1998, cannabis as a right of privacy (article 1, section 22 under the State's constitution) since 1975, and now legal recreational cannabis since 2-3 years ago.

Despite that, a primary clinic in the Interior that is owned by the same coop/Foundation that owns the hospital and another urgent care facility, a number of years ago stated they would NOT provide opiates to persons who used cannabis, citing all kinds of fabricated BS re. risks to health; never mind that no one I know has ever heard of negative interactions between the two, unless getting the chore list done, and having Indica as your primary strain of choice can be counted.

I take one or two opiate pain-killers about every two months or so, on average; only when it gets so bad I can't sleep. And before I reach for them I use muscle relaxers in those times. I never do either one if I have to be up and moving, as the results often lead to compounded misery

I don't know if I can say that I use cannabis medicinally, other than for sleep, which is over-lapped as an issue with pain, but also other issues. I may, but haven't really defined that yet.

My right hand is numb partially, in the outer half of three fingers, and a thumb that is mostly numb (none of them completely numb, but tingly and half numb, making berry picking, holding papers/documents, or a glass of water, etc. into something that requires more conscious thought than it once did).

At times my neck, thoracic, and lumbar get to feeling like they have a subtle bar-clamp vice on them, gently compressing, and sending weird sorts of (subtle but very present?) electrical-like current that seems to decrease strength in my back and legs during those times, as well as other interesting features.

I quit seeking surgical resolve for now, for a variety of reasons. I won't register as a medical cannabis patient for a WHOLE BUNCH of reasons. But I have some protections here that you lack.

Bottom line; I'd think real hard about pulling up stakes simply for believing that another place will be the answer. At least, if I liked where I live, and that's where my social support network was located.

As others have stated, the Hippocratic Oath has taken a back seat to DEA thuggery and social knee-jerk reactions to the sometimes-exaggerated opiate epidemic. Docs seem to sometimes/often focus a whole lot more on their next yacht payment or investment than whether your or my lives have become unbearable, as long as the DEA compliance badges are peeping over their shoulders; and that's even in states with some degree of cannabis protections.

I recently acquired a TENS unit, and find it provides some -limited- relief by interrupting the nerves' pain signals that often initiate muscle spasms, leading to more nerve spasms, and on and on she goes. Not a cure, but rather some limited time relief during which maybe stuff stops impacting each other to the point of minimizing the negative experiences.

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Good day sir. Not to rain on parade, but I suspect the opioids themselves are the cause of your pain... drop them as soon as possible. As far as medical is concerned just remember, big pharm is he biggest lobbyist AGAINST medical. Coincidence? I think not.... if you don't think you can come off opiates, send a pm, I will explain more
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