[GuyManDude]

i'm looking at AN's organic line. anyone using it here?

[Sunshineinabag]

I try to avoid all liquid bottled nutes

[mexweed]

yeah if you're going bottled might as well use pbp with liquid karma and call it close enough

the water only plants I've been doing with biolive as a stand alone are looking good, the roots uprising plants I just transplanted and they're looking a little light on N so I'm thinking I might have to double the application rate, biolive errs on too much N and not enough K but it works if you don't pile it all on at once, the roots uprising bloom definitely has a more appealing NPK but unless this N issue is easily solved by adding more I would have to say biolive is the better stand alone

[nuitari]

Hello everyone. I want to use lc's soiless mix 1 and for supplement recipe 1. But I cant find kelp meal and liquid karma. So maybe u can help me to change these what I can get.
I have to think as local farmers since I cant get the products as labeled brands.

instead of kelp meal I m thinking to use powdered seaweed extract which contains;(u can advice me diffrent material for me to use as long as its not a brand.I probably can find raw materials like alfalfa etc what can I add instead of seaweed for the source of potassium)
Organic materials:%30
Potasyum Oksit(K2O):%12
Alginic acid:%1,5
Gibberallic Acid:1 Mg/Kg
Ph 9-11
EC 34,8 dS/M


instead of liquid karma thinking to use bottled humic fulvic acids ? Not decieded on this yet. Any help would be appreciated.(or wormcastings teaa with molasses for every watering or 2nd.)

And instead of canadian sphangum peat gonna use coco peat should I change anything for cocopeat ? ;
Edit: It seems I cant get pure bone meal. I can get meat bone meal mixed . I think it has lower amount of P compared pure bone meal. Should I add anything to supplement P ?

[SamsonsRiddle]

Originally Posted by nuitari

Hello everyone. I want to use lc's soiless mix 1 and for supplement recipe 1. But I cant find kelp meal and liquid karma. So maybe u can help me to change these what I can get.
I have to think as local farmers since I cant get the products as labeled brands.

instead of kelp meal I m thinking to use powdered seaweed extract which contains;(u can advice me diffrent material for me to use as long as its not a brand.I probably can find raw materials like alfalfa etc what can I add instead of seaweed for the source of potassium)
Organic materials:%30
Potasyum Oksit(K2O):%12
Alginic acid:%1,5
Gibberallic Acid:1 Mg/Kg
Ph 9-11
EC 34,8 dS/M


instead of liquid karma thinking to use bottled humic fulvic acids ? Not decieded on this yet. Any help would be appreciated.

And instead of canadian sphangum peat gonna use coco peat should I change anything for cocopeat ?

powdered seaweed extract is supposed to be diluted into water and given as a foliar or a drench and not a part of your in-medium nutrition. i would try looking a little harder for kelp meal because it is one of those ingredients most people won't go without. i like to bubble it for a few days (or just soak for a week disturbing it whenever i remember), dilute it, and add in some silicon, fulvic, yucca extract and apply as a foliar.



liquid karma isn't a must, but i think a lot of people prefer floralicious plus over it.


fulvics are usually best used as foliar, so if you don't want to use it for that reason i would suggest using humics. if you want bottle humics or fulvics i would check out bioag's line of products.





as far as peat or coco, i would suggest coco over peat. coco does dry out a little faster than peat so you would want to lighten up the aeration component (perlite, lava rocks, etc.) by a little bit. also, coco doesn't NEED lime because it has a pretty good ph.

[nuitari]

Thx for quick reply. I m looking for the materials in the recipe like for a week and there is no kelp meal around despite how much harder I try to find. So eventually there will be a need for replacing kelp meal for sure. For lime as much as I understand its not about ph buffering for us to use main reason to provide cal-mg. Actually I made organic grow before but used some bottled ferts from biobizz to supplement what plants need. This time I dont want to spend abnormal prices for the ferts like biobizz cause they are way overpriced where I live.

[Sunshineinabag]

Boiling a banana peel in water.
Then using cooled off water on plants......can help w magnesium

[40degsouth]

Hey everyone,
Nuitari, some other unlikely spots to look for kelp meal could be a health food shop because people eat it and a saddlery, as it is used to put in horses feed.
It’s also been found to reduce methane emissions in cattle (burps not farts).
Hope this helps,
Cheers,
40.

[SamsonsRiddle]

Originally Posted by nuitari

Thx for quick reply. I m looking for the materials in the recipe like for a week and there is no kelp meal around despite how much harder I try to find. So eventually there will be a need for replacing kelp meal for sure. For lime as much as I understand its not about ph buffering for us to use main reason to provide cal-mg. Actually I made organic grow before but used some bottled ferts from biobizz to supplement what plants need. This time I dont want to spend abnormal prices for the ferts like biobizz cause they are way overpriced where I live.

try researching dry molasses (local horse feed store?) or wood/plant ash. both are recommended by other members on here with a good reputation, but both products require a little studying to find out how to use (or make) properly.

[nuitari]

Finally a material I can find easily maybe addin some of compfrey to support micro elements. Thx for answer man. I m gonna check how to use wood ash.