[armedoldhippy]

Originally Posted by mr.brunch

Hopefully the vaccines are good...
Still, judging by the rate of testing it’s going to take ages to vaccinate everyone

all that i have read says that these vaccines will need to be administered TWICE, about 2 weeks or so apart. sounds like a logistical nightmare. if you, through accident etc, miss the second shot...will you have to start over & get TWO more shots? much unknown...fuck.

[mexcurandero420]

No need for vaccines, COVID pandemic is over, says Former Vice President of Pfizer


While Pfizer pharmaceutical had made headlines on the release of their Coronavirus vaccine, a former Vice President and Chief Scientist of the company Dr. Michael Yeadon has said that there is no need for any vaccines to bring the COVID-19 pandemic to an end.

According to an article published in Lockdown Sceptics, Dr. Michael Yeadon wrote, “There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. I’ve never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines. You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects.”

His comments come at the end of a comprehensive criticism of the Scientific Advisor Group for Emergencies (SAGE), a government agency of the U.K. tasked with advising the central government in emergencies.

SAGE has played an important role in determining public lockdown policies in the UK, as a response to the COVID-19 virus.

Yeadon also highlights fundamental errors by SAGE in their presuppositions which cause their overall conclusions to go radically awry leading to the “torturing [of] the population for the last seven months or so.”

“ SAGE says everyone was susceptible and only 7% have been infected. I think this is literally unbelievable. They have ignored all precedent in the field of immunological memory against respiratory viruses. They have either not seen or disregarded excellent quality work from numerous, world-leading clinical immunologists which show that around 30% of the population had prior immunity.”

“They should also have excluded from ‘susceptible’ a large subset of the youngest children, who appear not to become infected, probably because their immature biology means their cells express less of the spike protein receptor, called ACE2. I have not assumed all young children don’t participate in transmission, but believe a two thirds value is very conservative. It’s not material anyway,” Yeadon wrote

“So SAGE is demonstrably wrong in one really crucial variable: they assumed no prior immunity, whereas the evidence clearly points to a value of around 30% (and nearly 40% if you include some young children, who technically are ‘resistant’ rather than ‘immune’),” wrote Yeadon

And considering the reality of herd immunity, when susceptibility to a virus falls this low, at around 28 to 35%, “that population can no longer support an expanding outbreak of disease,” and thus the virus “wanes and disappears.”

“The pandemic is effectively over and can easily be handled by a properly functioning NHS (National Health Service). Accordingly, the country should immediately be permitted to get back to normal life.” concludes Yeadon

Here is the link to the entire article: https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/

[mr.brunch]

Unfortunately, we don’t have a properly functioning nhs.
It’s been underfunded for at least a decade - that’s why the restrictions are in place, so we don’t see the system get overwhelmed.
I found out recently that although they built the 1000 bed ‘nightingale’ hospital, it has no medical staff.
If hospitals require to send a patient there, they must have staff sent with them.
That’s why it wasn’t used.

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[mexcurandero420]

4,499 new cases and 59 new deaths in the Netherlands today.

[mexcurandero420]

Even after vaccination in quarantine: 'Vaccinated people may transmit virus'

Even if the vaccine is available, it is not yet said that all the misery is over. Belgian virologist Steven Van Gucht states that it is still uncertain whether the vaccine also prevents you from infecting others.

“We don't really know yet whether the vaccine will protect us against infection. Maybe we can still be carriers of the virus and not develop symptoms. That is potentially a risk ”, Van Gucht explained. “As long as that is not clear, we must assume that it is possible that even after vaccination people will still have to be quarantined. Especially when those people come into contact with someone who has an increased risk of complications. ”

But does it sound more positive: “As more and more people are vaccinated, fewer and fewer people will have to be quarantined, because less virus will circulate. Fewer infections will be detected and there will be less need to proceed to quarantine. ”

welingelichtekringen.nl

[mexcurandero420]

5,609 new cases and 23 new deaths in the Netherlands today.

[armedoldhippy]

over 550 new cases in 4 county region yesterday. no deaths reported, so good news there. i suspect the medical professionals are getting better with the vast experience accrued over this horrible year. an incredible quality OJT, but rough on the guinea pigs...

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