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Old 10-14-2019, 04:11 AM #31
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Spores from molds are microscopic. You'd be getting mold spores into your smoke, if you were ingesting by that means.

I can't speak to the question re. freezing and extracting, making the filtration more fine than the size of the mold spores. Maybe.. Maybe not.

Mold will not typically grow without suitable moisture levels, so there was some amount of excess moisture, or you probably wouldn't have seen what you did.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:28 AM #32
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Okay, when I moved here from a US Air Force training base, the culture shock was... unsettling... lazy, unskilled, uncaring, rude peers. Not all of them but the two allowed to manage the place... and no one ever questioned their 'logic'.

I'm not sure why I mentioned that except the first building I worked in was very seriously infested with bats, rats, cockroaches, and black mold... deep as black as night on the ceiling and running down the walls like spilled black paint.

I'm convinced the constant exposure to those pathogens is what's killing me. But I can't prove it.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:45 AM #33
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First of all my condolences friend, getting hit with mold at the end is a terrible feeling we all experience at one time or another in this hobby. As others have said, use this setback as a learning experience since it’s a persistent enemy.

In my youth, we definitely consumed stuff that was questionable. Every year we would find it in our outdoor crops. We would throw the bad shit away, but the goal was salvage as much as possible. We also burned through our fair share of brick weed that I’m positive wouldn’t pass state testing.

As others have stated it’s not recommended to use any moldy product in a medicinal application. Mycotoxins (Wikipedia) are nasty compounds that can do serious damage in minute quantities. That being said, neither Botrytis or powdery mildew are known to produce mycotoxins. In fact Botrytis is used as a “beneficial” in the wine industry, which would be an example of alcoholic extraction of a product with Botrytis infection. An extraction for ingestion or topical application would greatly limit the risk of exposure to spores themselves.

Consumption is a personal choice, and desperate times can make us take risks we may not take otherwise. If I were in this position and had no other options... I would remove any absolutely molded material, and if possible the material immediately surrounding the infected area. Honestly, due to the lifecycle there is most likely mold in areas where you can’t see. I would cold ethanol extract like you suggested, and evaporate the solvent on a hot plate decarbing the oil in the process. Then I would take the dried extract and dissolve it in an oil of your choice (probably coconut) in the bottom of a crockpot. When it’s fully dissolved add a large amount of water and let it simmer for 30 min to an hour. Refrigerate the mixture to collect your oil layer like making butter. Dump the water, turn the oil into a topical or baked edibles. The idea is that many compounds may be removed/neutralized through the various chemical processes involved. However, since we don’t even know what potentially dangerous compound we’re trying to avoid, we can’t truly be certain this product would be “safe” for everyone.

Good luck, keep at it.
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Old 10-14-2019, 04:52 AM #34
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Black mold is nasty stuff, but (maybe you're already aware) many military posts were also dumping grounds for a WIDE variety of serious human-made toxins.

A friend who's a former heavy equipment operator, now trying to retire, recalled coming across a stratified layering of visible whitish material where they were excavating an air-strip on post at one location that I'll abstain from specifically mentioning for his sake. Within minutes of uncovering the referenced stratified layering, the operator who was on-scene (not my friend) was ill, and vomiting.

When I worked as a civilian contractor to Uncle Sam's destruction, in a specific professional capacity, it was not incredibly uncommon at that post for reports of abandoned drums, decades old, to be found in the bush, seeping "an unknown liquid" into the streams and rivers, off post. Clearly of military origin..

A village located east of Delta Jct, Alaska and west of Tok Jct., to my past understanding, won a court settlement against Uncle re. left-over damages from bio and chemical weapons testing in that area decades earlier, and complications caused to residents years later..

The Presidio was donated by Uncle to (if I recall correctly) the City of San Francisco, and was later I.D.ed as a SuperFund site, due to contamination.

If you can afford to, or have good insurance, get tested for heavy metals, bio and/or chem weapons residuals, and any tests they can run for mold toxicity.

And, as I assume you're aware of the way Uncle functions, don't anticipate that if there was such contamination, that Uncle will be eager to cop to his criminal negligence. His M.O. is, and has been, deny, deny, deny...

But get checked, if you can. Just sayin'.

All of that aside, my understanding re. black mold, or most serious mold, is that spores can remain viable for a long time, but will not grow unless conditions are right.. including moisture.
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Search .3 micron syringe filters on eBay.
U can get a pack of em for $25 bucks
Cut the molded material out.
Run the butane n filter thru the micron filter.
Purge
Should be ok after that.

**(There mayb more steps haven’t looked at the thread in years)
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:26 PM #36
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Black mold is nasty stuff, but (maybe you're already aware) many military posts were also dumping grounds for a WIDE variety of serious human-made toxins.

A friend who's a former heavy equipment operator, now trying to retire, recalled coming across a stratified layering of visible whitish material where they were excavating an air-strip on post at one location that I'll abstain from specifically mentioning for his sake. Within minutes of uncovering the referenced stratified layering, the operator who was on-scene (not my friend) was ill, and vomiting.

When I worked as a civilian contractor to Uncle Sam's destruction, in a specific professional capacity, it was not incredibly uncommon at that post for reports of abandoned drums, decades old, to be found in the bush, seeping "an unknown liquid" into the streams and rivers, off post. Clearly of military origin..

A village located east of Delta Jct, Alaska and west of Tok Jct., to my past understanding, won a court settlement against Uncle re. left-over damages from bio and chemical weapons testing in that area decades earlier, and complications caused to residents years later..

The Presidio was donated by Uncle to (if I recall correctly) the City of San Francisco, and was later I.D.ed as a SuperFund site, due to contamination.

If you can afford to, or have good insurance, get tested for heavy metals, bio and/or chem weapons residuals, and any tests they can run for mold toxicity.

And, as I assume you're aware of the way Uncle functions, don't anticipate that if there was such contamination, that Uncle will be eager to cop to his criminal negligence. His M.O. is, and has been, deny, deny, deny...

But get checked, if you can. Just sayin'.

All of that aside, my understanding re. black mold, or most serious mold, is that spores can remain viable for a long time, but will not grow unless conditions are right.. including moisture.


RE human toxins: The photo lab where I worked was in the basement of an old Army hospital... the morgue. Although it was a historic building, the Army chose to knock it down because contamination remediation was too pricey.

RE moisture: The plumbing failed in upper floors several times, leaving standing water in the basement two inches deep. This is why the mold was active and so prolific.
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Old 10-14-2019, 09:31 PM #37
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Search .3 micron syringe filters on eBay.
U can get a pack of em for $25 bucks
Cut the molded material out.
Run the butane n filter thru the micron filter.
Purge
Should be ok after that.

**(There mayb more steps haven’t looked at the thread in years)
Really?? I'll research that.
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Gosh no... just little fuzzy spots in two or three places in the entire lot.
Then why would you throw it all away? Remove that stuff when you're harvesting. If it pops up when you're drying remove anything suspicious. You don't want to smoke anything questionable but the mold-free stuff is fine. Using a magnifier is a good idea.
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The issue is, I and two others need the meds now and none of us can afford to dish out thousands to big pharma... not that we'd buy their poisons anyway. We can't afford to buy street crap either. We're down to the wire. If I lose this crop I probably won't bother to try again.

If it's just a few spots, can you trim them out?
How does it look under a scope or loupe?


IF I were in a hurry, I'd probably try the alcohol wash and evap method that Hookah mentioned earlier.



If I had a month or 2, I might put the jar in the freezer and let the temps kill the mold.



Moldy stuff will make me sneeze...and after 2 months in the freezer, it didn't make me sneeze any more.

Your mileage may vary. But that was my experience.
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Search .3 micron syringe filters on eBay.
U can get a pack of em for $25 bucks
Cut the molded material out.
Run the butane n filter thru the micron filter.
Purge
Should be ok after that.

**(There mayb more steps haven’t looked at the thread in years)

I saw a 10 pack on amazon for $10, under the brand name Biomed Scientific.
Double check the micron size, as they come in several different ones.
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