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Old 11-16-2020, 03:41 AM #1
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Colorado Crew: relocating in ‘21: current state of laws and EVERYTHING?!!!!

Hey, y’all!!!

I’ll be moving to around 7,000ft high next spring, and I’m curious as to the current legal state of the state. I’ll be high in the aspens, 4 adults in the household, I’ll be the only grower, so I’m looking for the lowdown on plant counts, quantity restrictions, etc.

I plan on growing inside and out, looking to put some Himalayan hashish strains in the woods, so any tips on keeping out the moose and the elk are highly welcome, as well as tips on hardy landraces y’all have experienced success with outdoors at that altitude, as well as general tips on outdoor farming @altitude and humidity (or lack thereof).

Also, anything you think a new grower in the region needs to be aware of, look out for, etc. Feel free to jump in and pile on - I’m so excited I can hardly stand it! I’ve had a lifetime of gardening and digging in the dirt, and a lifetime dreaming of growing the best weed ever, and I want to hear it all!

Welcome, and thanks in advance!

Oh, I’m also curious about the used equipment market: tents, LED, CMH, humidifiers, fans, filters, etc - is most used gear serviceable or shot or hard to predict, what are the typical gotchas to look out for?
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I just moved to New Mexico. About 3900'. In the first week I was searching for seed from Afghanistan n Pakistan at roughly the same elevation, lat n long!
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Old 11-16-2020, 09:40 AM #3
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Thank you, it’s been a long time in preparation. Proud to have you as my first commentor, ‘Preciate the visit.

Yeah, the elevation is a real thing. I’ve been spending time @ TRSC with their Himalayan collection...cold, thin air, big UV...getting my wishlist together: Malana Cream, Parvati, Johaar, Sinai, Rasoli...yep, got hand-rubbing & hashmaking on my mind. The elk and moose are potentially real trouble for my outside plans, need to be prepared for them. Plenty of seeds for indoors, at least for the first year or two - mostly from CannaVenture, but I’d love to run Satori for my first tent-full. Plus my bagseed collection, which spans the 80s, 90s, right up into ‘20.
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Hey man, its pretty swell and chill here. The laws are reasonable enough, very worth noting is that as long you aren't running obvious grow houses no one really bats an eye. That said, its 3 in veg and 3 in flower per adult, with a max of 2 adults per household. If you want more its off to the pot docs, they are similar to the CA model...just pay the fee and say you need an extended plant count to make edibles/topicals. Most get a 25 plant rec that go that route, you can go higher but it also raises flags.

The thing that really caught me off guard trying to grow anything outside was the need for shade cloth. You might be able to get by with a long period of hardening them off, but between the sun and the hail storms that pop up, its good to have some sort of cover. The dryness is another factor. Its just much different getting stuff to grow in general than what you get everywhere else.

If you can skip taking i70 across Kansas that would be a good idea, everyone I know has had a shit day because of the Kansas highway patrol harassing folks.

Edit: Craigslist has a bunch of used grow stuff...kind of hit or miss, but some great deals from folks that tried to set up ops and failed.
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I’ve had a lifetime of gardening and digging in the dirt, and a lifetime dreaming of growing the best weed ever....
been there, done that, gave away the t-shirts.

don't let perfect be the enemy of good. to me, in real life the "best weed ever" is any good, clean cannabis you raised yourself, especially flowers that didn't require a lot of time/effort/resources.

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Also, anything you think a new grower in the region needs to be aware of, look out for, etc
1. scale back whatever you're planning like 70%. it'll still end up being "a lot" at first.

2. k.i.s.s.

3. make seeds with plants you like! for example, your landrace outdoor hashplant project sounds fun and rewarding.

good luck & best wishes dude.
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Hey man, its pretty swell and chill here. The laws are reasonable enough, very worth noting is that as long you aren't running obvious grow houses no one really bats an eye. That said, its 3 in veg and 3 in flower per adult, with a max of 2 adults per household. If you want more its off to the pot docs, they are similar to the CA model...just pay the fee and say you need an extended plant count to make edibles/topicals. Most get a 25 plant rec that go that route, you can go higher but it also raises flags.
Thanks, man, that’s good stuff! Re: plant limits, it’ll be 2 households, two and two, one household, no one smokes - in the other, I’ll be the only...I confess, I was hoping that would mean I could have 24 in play!

By ‘pot doc’, I assume you mean getting a medical card...between my age and my arthritis, hopefully I wouldn’t have too much trouble arranging it, but did you mean to imply that there’s a fee beyond the doctor visit? If so, any idea what it is?

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The thing that really caught me off guard trying to grow anything outside was the need for shade cloth. You might be able to get by with a long period of hardening them off, but between the sun and the hail storms that pop up, its good to have some sort of cover. The dryness is another factor. Its just much different getting stuff to grow in general than what you get everywhere else.
...NEVER considered a need for shade cloth - or that hail would be a thing up in the mountains...I *have* lived out the before, I’m aware of the extreme dryness, it’s the one thing I’m not looking forward to. Last time I was out there was 20+ years ago and I could not stay hydrated, which led to me being sick a lot. Then again, those years were one long t-break.

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If you can skip taking i70 across Kansas that would be a good idea, everyone I know has had a shit day because of the Kansas highway patrol harassing folks.

Edit: Craigslist has a bunch of used grow stuff...kind of hit or miss, but some great deals from folks that tried to set up ops and failed.
Yeah, I’ve made that drive plenty of times over the years & I’m not fond of it...but are 20 and 40 any better? Serious question.

Craigslist - I guess that figures...I guess some folks take up growing on a whim...for me it’s more of an obsession: I go to sleep at night thinking about soil recipes and strains and training techniques....

Thanks so much, Xavier, ‘preciate you taking you time and sharing!
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been there, done that, gave away the t-shirts.

don't let perfect be the enemy of good. to me, in real life the "best weed ever" is any good, clean cannabis you raised yourself, especially flowers that didn't require a lot of time/effort/resources.

1. scale back whatever you're planning like 70%. it'll still end up being "a lot" at first.

2. k.i.s.s.

3. make seeds with plants you like! for example, your landrace outdoor hashplant project sounds fun and rewarding.

good luck & best wishes dude.
Thanks a lot for the common sense and encouragement, it’s very welcome. Get you on all points!

My first task will be to get a tent and lights set up and set up a worm farm. I’m not at all sure I’ll get there in time to start landraces outdoors, even though I’m looking at cold-hardy varieties...but yes, I have big plans, but I’m also old enough to start slow and build well.

Totally hear you on seeking perfection: I’ll settle for smokable and effective to start - I figure if I don’t screw up completely, whatever I grow will be at least as good as the commercial mids I smoked for most of my life, and I can stand that; once I’ve pulled a successful grow, harvest, and cure a few times, I’ll have plenty of room to stretch out into, strainwise and technique-wise.

As far as outdoors goes, I’ll be more comfortable watching the world and weather around me before I get too excited about breaking ground - keep it simple, for sure! I’ve seen photos of the property, and at least parts of it are spacious and not too sheltered in, but I haven’t seen or felt or broken up any ground up there, and weather in the mountains is, I know, a highly local and variable thing, so taking a year to just watch it & see what it does sounds like my best plan.

I was wrong, BTW, about the elevation: it’s gonna be somewhere between 8000-9000 feet above sea level (there goes my baking!) - which is considerably higher than the Hindu Kush. I can’t make heads or tails of. The science applied to measuring rainfall there in the Kush, but near as I can make out, the monthly precipitation pattern / amounts in Chitral city seem to be on a par with my future location, so that’s actually a plus. Elevations are vastly different, though - but it might not be a problem, I’ll have to see.

Re: seed making - yes, all about what I like, for sure: it’s one of the ideas behind my scheme for landrace patch development. I’m a big believer in open pollination, especially in landrace populations: breeding select individuals to each other has substantial benefits on a per-plant basis, but I don’t see how a group genetic profile (like a ‘landrace’) can be maintained without open pollination within the genetic group, so I’m going to give that a try...it’s been on my mind for a long time, and I have hopes for the experiment. I understand that a small plant-count-friendly patch has real limitations, but a local micro-race ought to be possible...in theory.

Probably easy to guess, but I have fond hopes of spending my winters making real hash - and at least some time in the fall gathering Charas and seed from the patch. It occurs to me - erroneously, perhaps - that hand-gathering Charas may be a dependable way of ensuring seedfall as well as getting resin. I plan to find out if a post-gathering plant’s buds remain smokable / extractable.

Love the response, bro: thanks again!
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Hail may not get you up there, im right at the foothills and we get one or two good hail storms a year, other than this year.

The below could be out of date, haven't looked into the issue in several years, but:
The pot docs...I would assume that given age and actual medical conditions, you could get a medical card from a normal primary care doctor. Generally speaking though, they aren't huge into weed or writing med cards and particularly the extended plant counts. So we have some crappy docs that charge 420 bucks or whatever and advertise in the back of local papers to get a card and plant count. It is what it is, hope thats changed. The medical card is mostly to access the medical side of dispensaries, extended plant counts for growing is a separate recommendation and harder to get. It was the loophole to grow exportable amounts legally for a long time. Idk, as long as its reasonable in size and not in people's face I wouldn't worry a whole lot, there isnt any interest in busting personal grows, when you see one on the news they raid networks of grows.

Not sure where you are coming from, but you can pick up US 36 about 45 minutes north of Kansas city and take that across, its a nice route across Missouri as well if you get on at Hannibal, MO. Alternatively, just take I80 all the way across to I25. Couple of people have taken 36 to get out here and said there were no cops and it was very pleasant. I just warn everyone to stay off i70, multiple folks had shitty experiences.


If you have two grown ups in two different households that 24 is fine, assuming you keep 12 in one house and 12 in the other. I would compare it to brewing beer, there's limits, but unless you are clearly running a brewery out of your basement, nobody bothers to check for a few extra gallons.
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Curious if those “420 docs” take Medicare...ATM $420 is a significant sum, though likely less so after the move (remains to be seen, frankly - getting out of where I am is as big a deal as getting to grow, and yes, they’re connected).

I know Boulder and the front range receive hail - sometimes heavy...Gilpin county, I just don’t know yet. Just another thing to not know about - and another reason to spend a turn of the wheel just watching it all go ‘round.

As for I70, I have NO love for that route at all, including the climb north: I’m a few hundred miles south of 70, which is why I spoke about 40 & 20 - I’ve never traveled either route, as Denver has always been my trip target...and I hadn’t learned to hate the Kanas run yet. Yeah, there’s really nothing about taking 70 that doesn’t suck, I don’t want to do it again - now or ever.

As for households and plant counts, it’s more likely it would be like 12 in one household and 12 outside - and probably a bit away from either house. My bro, bless him, HATES the smell of growing weed, so none in his house. Extended plant count would probably be the way to go - I just don’t want to have to develop cancer to get that allotment.... as you say, I might be able to get away with that, but why be an asshole to family when they’re making room?

So man things to think about...gotta say, it’s a relief not keeping myself up at night, doing this in my head: time to make it real, even if it is early days. Making plans!
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Gilpin County is good stuff, I like it up there. Close enough to the city for what you need but a world away.

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