Gry
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Tragically it works out well for those who organize such things, which
the reason it has happened with increasing frequency.
Could not agree more as to the issues of morality and suffering.
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Regime change by Tweet (Venezuela)
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Tragically it works out well for those who organize such things, which
the reason it has happened with increasing frequency.
Could not agree more as to the issues of morality and suffering.
Venezuela Propaganda Debunked - People Are Against Coup
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i don't even think that argument is worth having. whether its system is fucked up and failed or whether its been attacked and sabotaged from outside to fail, doesn't matter. either way, no one else has the authority to declare them a new president. it's for the Venezuelan people to sort out and even supporting the opposition would be considered meddling if it was done to the US.
Congressman Joe Kennedy had a deal with Caesar Chavez where Venezuelan oil was providing for the poor in Massachusetts at a subsidized price. 1-877-JOE-4-OIL Think about it, Venezuela providing charity for Massachusetts which is one of the more prosperous states.
When the US started mega fracking and drilling, the bottom fell out of the oil markets. Venezuela was flush with cash prior. Now the struggle is evident. Canada hit it big on oil also.
When the US started mega fracking and drilling, the bottom fell out of the oil markets. Venezuela was flush with cash prior. Now the struggle is evident. Canada hit it big on oil also.
Gry
Well-known member
Take over specialists with more practice than most could ever dream are hard at work on eviscerating that government. They will succeed, because they work from a bottomless pit of resources, and they will continue for as long it takes.
Once they have done so, they will use what some enjoy describing as liberal media to paint themselves as supporters of democracy as opposed to capitalism. Bogart said it well. "Play it again Sam. "
I am unaware of anything more fascinating than the history of those behind such things.
Mean while, some of the more successful economies with populations that enjoy the highest standard of living in Western cultures are socialist. For some reason they receive an altogether different standard of treatment.
'Boogieman'
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We should shoot the Venezuelan leader and just let them have a new election, even if they elect for socialism again just let them be free. The current leader is more of a dictator I think we can all agree on that, so let's get rid of him and let them vote for their future.
thats just ignorant, what kind of world will we have if we go back to assassinating leaders in other countries.
i know the US media trumpets how he is a dictator, but he did win an election with international observers finding no fault. the whole thing is a set up, juan guido is a right wing extremist who never stood for elections and was not known to anyone in Venezuela before the US declared him to be the president.
St. Phatty
Active member
Trump ?
He's far more un-popular than Maduro.
It's amazing the American people put up with their government's bullshit. (except, of course, that it provides sort-of jobs).
The US was doing the same BS with Chavez, before Maduro.
The US could just let Venezuela run its own affairs, and even offer a helping hand.
Of course, the run-down in oil prices & commodity prices up till about 2016 was not a coincidence.
$30 oil hurts Mexico, Venezuela, Iran, Russia, and many other countries.
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lets hope we don't quite reach those depth on ic, but i hear ya man.
like i said Trump and >Bolton don't even hide it, they want that oil and will try and get it how ever they can, even if they have to give the presidency and control of Venezuelas emergency funds and gold reserves to some sock puppet they have financed and supported and brain washed to sell his country out to the highest bidder.
'Boogieman'
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American citizens are far from starving, the last election in Venezuela was a scam too. People are fleeing Venezuela in the thousands every day, yet immigrants are trying to break into my country. Your argument really makes no sense. I get it you hate Trump cool.
'Boogieman'
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Not sure of your sources, not saying mine is right yours is wrong, but where I live both msm and right wing news claims Maduro did not win his last election fairly. We should let them have a fair election, im not for installing Juan Guido they should choose who and what they want but in no way is Maduro any benefit to the Venezuelan people.
Food shortage started in 2011, when Venezuela was ‘flush with cash’. Have struggled since.
Gry
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I know of no country that would qualify as being completely socialist, nor capitalist.
Most including ours, are a combination of each.
Having said that, several Western countries have nationalized their resources, specifically oil. Denmark, Norway, Sweden would among the countries for whom it has been a blessing.
Most including ours, are a combination of each.
Having said that, several Western countries have nationalized their resources, specifically oil. Denmark, Norway, Sweden would among the countries for whom it has been a blessing.
The 3 countries listed have population rankings of 114, 118, and 89 respectively. The United States is ranked 3rd. Yes it’s much easier to apply socialistic programs to much smaller countries. Have a good friend in Sweden. He has had 2 children in the past 5 years. One was before the great North African invasion and one more recently. His benefits have been cut severely since. The MORE people drawing on a system with the same amount being put into the same system means less for more. The model is NOT self sustaining.
Gry
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What would population rankings have to do with the nationalization of oil resources ?
Quite aware of the situation in Sweden, and their 'severely' cut back benefits are still quite generous.
What is the basis for claiming their economy is not sustainable ?
As to the contention that socialism would be more workable in smaller countries, that may well be the case. None the less, far larger countries such as China and Canada, and even our country have a history of being able to make such programs work just fine.
My original observation was and remains, that it is incredibly interesting to see the difference in how our country acts depending on who it is that chooses to nationalize their oil.
Quite aware of the situation in Sweden, and their 'severely' cut back benefits are still quite generous.
What is the basis for claiming their economy is not sustainable ?
As to the contention that socialism would be more workable in smaller countries, that may well be the case. None the less, far larger countries such as China and Canada, and even our country have a history of being able to make such programs work just fine.
My original observation was and remains, that it is incredibly interesting to see the difference in how our country acts depending on who it is that chooses to nationalize their oil.
Regime Change In Venezuela: Army Defectors, Russian Mercenaries And Disappearing Gold
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