Widow Maker
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Looking good bro. be patient, I bet they will surpass the soil soon! Keep it up. GL
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RDWC ( kind of ) 400W Shiva Skunk grow log (newb+pics)
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erwingruber
Member
@ tricky1
Thanks for your support i want to believe that i will make it me and my girls
@ widow maker
Thanks i am waiting for the hydro girls to strart showing the hydro
advandage's
Well icmagers i have some updates.
My recipe of 1 1 1 GMB is not ideal but the plants survive and the roots getting bigger and bigger i also start to believe that my ph updrifting issue is due to weak solution, the unfertilized soil Shiva mother is still bigger and healthier , tommorow i will make my first reservoir change and i am going to use 3-2-1 recipe from Hydrosun and tjo i am thinking to make the solution at 1.2 EC - ppm 850(.7)
Do you find that it will be fine with this strengh or i must do it weaker or stronger ?
Here are some pic updates
Shiva mother
Roots getting Bigger
Girls team pic do not yell at me for the temps pls !!
Thanks for your support i want to believe that i will make it me and my girls
@ widow maker
Thanks i am waiting for the hydro girls to strart showing the hydro
advandage's
Well icmagers i have some updates.
My recipe of 1 1 1 GMB is not ideal but the plants survive and the roots getting bigger and bigger i also start to believe that my ph updrifting issue is due to weak solution, the unfertilized soil Shiva mother is still bigger and healthier , tommorow i will make my first reservoir change and i am going to use 3-2-1 recipe from Hydrosun and tjo i am thinking to make the solution at 1.2 EC - ppm 850(.7)
Do you find that it will be fine with this strengh or i must do it weaker or stronger ?
Here are some pic updates
Shiva mother
Roots getting Bigger
Girls team pic do not yell at me for the temps pls !!
BUNDY & COKE
Member
looking good mate...
erwingruber
Member
@ BUNDY & COKE
Thanks !
@ zemin1a
Thanks for taking a look .
Yes i will buy somethink like this and some diamond nectar and some h2o2 , i have a big list from bottles to buy !
Today i will make my res change and i will mix @ 3-2-1 from Hydrosun or 4-2-1 from Useless veg formula for the third week .
I will give @ the solution 12 hours to buffer and then i will fix my ph HOPING to stay where i will put it or at least drift together with the ppm.
C u soon with updates !
Thanks !
@ zemin1a
Thanks for taking a look .
Yes i will buy somethink like this and some diamond nectar and some h2o2 , i have a big list from bottles to buy !
Today i will make my res change and i will mix @ 3-2-1 from Hydrosun or 4-2-1 from Useless veg formula for the third week .
I will give @ the solution 12 hours to buffer and then i will fix my ph HOPING to stay where i will put it or at least drift together with the ppm.
C u soon with updates !
erwingruber
Member
Well today as i told you i make my water change , it is one hell of adventure.... not laugh at me.
I drain my system , i clean my reservoirs and i put in the system 60litre(16 gallons) of pure R/O water @ ppm 3 and ph 6,7.
The god gives me the inspiration to insulate the control bucket from the system for mixing there my nutes and let them later recirculate in the system.
I have a paper in FRONT OF ME with big letters writen
126 ml Grow - 63 ml MIcro - 31 ml Bloom .
I have read somewhere to mix first the micro and then the grow and bloom .
So i pick my syringe and begin to add nutes when i complete the 126 ml (got it ?) i am going to close the bottle and i notice that i put in the water 126 ml of Micro insted of 63 ml cause the first number in my paper was 126 ..
Such a waste and what a good luck i only replace the 4 gallons of my control bucket..
Ok now on the recipe i use i try to avoid Lucas formula cause of defiances in Mg and Ca
I have one recipe from Useless for the 3rd week of veg with 12-6-3 GMB .
I also have another recipe from Hydrosun with two more bottles except GMB
and a third recipe from tjo 3-2-1.
Cause Hydrosun add's some more green bottles i think to follow the Useless formula wich is close to the one of tjo.
I mix the 12-6-3 in 2/3 strenght
and for the momment i have a solution @ 1120(.7) ppm or 1.6 EC
and ph @ 5.2
My 2/3 strenght (8-4-2) is stronger from the original recipe here
week 3 12-6-3 800/1000 (continue week 3 formula if additional veg time is required.)
i was confused , but anyway i will follow the next advice from Useless
"allow time for the ph buffers in the nutrient solution to do their job. Mix the nutes up, and bubble or circulate for 12 hours before even looking at your PH"
and i am going to fix my ph or and ad some water to make the solution weaker in about 12 hours
Hope my girls make it with my newb handling of everything .... at least i have and one girl in soil unfertilized and happy .
So you will have some news in less than 24 hours
big post i think tired typing
I drain my system , i clean my reservoirs and i put in the system 60litre(16 gallons) of pure R/O water @ ppm 3 and ph 6,7.
The god gives me the inspiration to insulate the control bucket from the system for mixing there my nutes and let them later recirculate in the system.
I have a paper in FRONT OF ME with big letters writen
126 ml Grow - 63 ml MIcro - 31 ml Bloom .
I have read somewhere to mix first the micro and then the grow and bloom .
So i pick my syringe and begin to add nutes when i complete the 126 ml (got it ?) i am going to close the bottle and i notice that i put in the water 126 ml of Micro insted of 63 ml cause the first number in my paper was 126 ..
Such a waste and what a good luck i only replace the 4 gallons of my control bucket..
Ok now on the recipe i use i try to avoid Lucas formula cause of defiances in Mg and Ca
I have one recipe from Useless for the 3rd week of veg with 12-6-3 GMB .
I also have another recipe from Hydrosun with two more bottles except GMB
and a third recipe from tjo 3-2-1.
Cause Hydrosun add's some more green bottles i think to follow the Useless formula wich is close to the one of tjo.
I mix the 12-6-3 in 2/3 strenght
and for the momment i have a solution @ 1120(.7) ppm or 1.6 EC
and ph @ 5.2
My 2/3 strenght (8-4-2) is stronger from the original recipe here
week 3 12-6-3 800/1000 (continue week 3 formula if additional veg time is required.)
i was confused , but anyway i will follow the next advice from Useless
"allow time for the ph buffers in the nutrient solution to do their job. Mix the nutes up, and bubble or circulate for 12 hours before even looking at your PH"
and i am going to fix my ph or and ad some water to make the solution weaker in about 12 hours
Hope my girls make it with my newb handling of everything .... at least i have and one girl in soil unfertilized and happy .
So you will have some news in less than 24 hours
big post i think tired typing
hi amigo!
from yesterday my plants looks much better. the 3-2-1 recipe is
2 strong but this this the base of all recipes..i never use the full strength.
12-8-4 +4ml diamond nectar seems work ok for my plants in that stage. i saw today better collor and bigger plants.
...and i have VERY stable ph..i dont know why your ph has drifts,
strange because you have RO.
from yesterday my plants looks much better. the 3-2-1 recipe is
2 strong but this this the base of all recipes..i never use the full strength.
12-8-4 +4ml diamond nectar seems work ok for my plants in that stage. i saw today better collor and bigger plants.
...and i have VERY stable ph..i dont know why your ph has drifts,
strange because you have RO.
erwingruber
Member
Hello icmagers today i have some pic updates 3 days later from the last pic update.
@tjo
Happy to hear that for your girls and i am jelus for
you stable ph give us some pics of your girls too
i am thinking to try them outdoor this summer !!
Well as i told you yesterday i leave my new nutrient solution
@ 1130(.7) ppm and ph @ 5,2 to buffer
after 15 hours the ppm was 1127(.7) and ph @ 6,1.
The ph keep going upwards but slowly now.
The good news is that the roots of my girls expode in mass
and girls start to drink up nutes , i think.
Today i found my ppm @ 1105(.7) and ph @ 6,3
i add 2 ml GH ph down in my solution and get back the ph to 5,6
Water temps is near 23 Celsius
I was thinking that 1.6 EC (1120 @.7ppm) is to strong for my girls as
jm420 said above but girls seem to like it and i think that Shiva Skunk
is a heavy feeder .
I would like to push the EC even higher to find the limits of my girls
but i have already enough problems so i will leave it as is.
Except root mass the girls grow bigger since last pic update but they still
did not catch up the Shiva mother wich is still unfertilized in her soil ,
away from the light , the Shiva mother look 100% healthy too .
Maybe you can spot a slight Mg defiance in my girls ,
with all these ph driftings and problems with my nutrient solution
they make it good.
The Shive Skunk from sensi look like intresting ,
the plants keep making very short internodes even
with the 400W HPS standing way to high.
Enough with the talk some pics .
Girls Team pic
Maybe you can spot the slight Mg defiance here
I am proud for the healthy and big Shiva mother in soil.
[
And here is a pic from tha root mass
That's it for now thanks for checking me out.
@tjo
Happy to hear that for your girls and i am jelus for
you stable ph give us some pics of your girls too
i am thinking to try them outdoor this summer !!
Well as i told you yesterday i leave my new nutrient solution
@ 1130(.7) ppm and ph @ 5,2 to buffer
after 15 hours the ppm was 1127(.7) and ph @ 6,1.
The ph keep going upwards but slowly now.
The good news is that the roots of my girls expode in mass
and girls start to drink up nutes , i think.
Today i found my ppm @ 1105(.7) and ph @ 6,3
i add 2 ml GH ph down in my solution and get back the ph to 5,6
Water temps is near 23 Celsius
I was thinking that 1.6 EC (1120 @.7ppm) is to strong for my girls as
jm420 said above but girls seem to like it and i think that Shiva Skunk
is a heavy feeder .
I would like to push the EC even higher to find the limits of my girls
but i have already enough problems so i will leave it as is.
Except root mass the girls grow bigger since last pic update but they still
did not catch up the Shiva mother wich is still unfertilized in her soil ,
away from the light , the Shiva mother look 100% healthy too .
Maybe you can spot a slight Mg defiance in my girls ,
with all these ph driftings and problems with my nutrient solution
they make it good.
The Shive Skunk from sensi look like intresting ,
the plants keep making very short internodes even
with the 400W HPS standing way to high.
Enough with the talk some pics .
Girls Team pic
Maybe you can spot the slight Mg defiance here
I am proud for the healthy and big Shiva mother in soil.
[
And here is a pic from tha root mass
That's it for now thanks for checking me out.
erwingruber
Member
Hello icmagers ,
New updates in my ph updrifting adventure.
Even if the 1,6 EC sounds too hot for so young ladies
my ppm fall from (1120 - .7) to (1080 - .7 ) and my ph
readings continue to updrift so based on
EC down ph up = weak nutes & that my ladies look that they can
handle 1.6 EC and that tjo with 12-6-3 per gallon take readings of
1,6 EC while i am taking the same readings with 8-4-2 i decide to
add more nutes to my res.
In 60 litres(almost 16 gallons) i add 24-12-6 GMB bringing down my
ph to 5,6 from 6 and ppm at (1280 - .7) or EC @ 1,8.
I know that this levels is By FAR extreme for these ladies but
i am tired chasing my PH .
I hope that they will make it and if they die i will switch to soil again.
Also one of my airstones almost stop bubbling
and i will replace , hydro is a hedake !!
Very short internodes these Shiva Skunks
Pic updates follow .
That's it for today , c u
New updates in my ph updrifting adventure.
Even if the 1,6 EC sounds too hot for so young ladies
my ppm fall from (1120 - .7) to (1080 - .7 ) and my ph
readings continue to updrift so based on
EC down ph up = weak nutes & that my ladies look that they can
handle 1.6 EC and that tjo with 12-6-3 per gallon take readings of
1,6 EC while i am taking the same readings with 8-4-2 i decide to
add more nutes to my res.
In 60 litres(almost 16 gallons) i add 24-12-6 GMB bringing down my
ph to 5,6 from 6 and ppm at (1280 - .7) or EC @ 1,8.
I know that this levels is By FAR extreme for these ladies but
i am tired chasing my PH .
I hope that they will make it and if they die i will switch to soil again.
Also one of my airstones almost stop bubbling
and i will replace , hydro is a hedake !!
Very short internodes these Shiva Skunks
Pic updates follow .
That's it for today , c u
erwingruber
Member
Unfortunatelly this ladies like me to chase something !!!
The ladies growing in RDWC with GH 3 parts in 16 gallons
@ 8-4-2 + a little bit more (24-12-6 to the 16 gallons)
The current readings of my ppm meter is 1230ppm(.7) downdrift from 1280
My ppm meter is reading a bit of high (after calibration) taking readings from
Lucas 0-8-16 @ 1610(.7) and 2,2 EC starting from R/O @ 10 ppm
while it must read 1400(.7) and 2,0 EC .
In the oposite position the calibration solution of 1413 read it exactly 1413 .... anyway.
After getting partial control of my ph raising my EC based on
weak nutes=little buffer capacity i have the folowing issue.
The sign's is there before but they was very very slight hardly to notice ,
the last two days i have some spot's on some of my fan leafs and they spread slowly from bottom to top from older to newer leafs.
I was checking following sticky and i think that i have a Ca def or a nuteburn
Your opinions please and your help for fixing it.
The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688
some pics to help you
The ladies growing in RDWC with GH 3 parts in 16 gallons
@ 8-4-2 + a little bit more (24-12-6 to the 16 gallons)
The current readings of my ppm meter is 1230ppm(.7) downdrift from 1280
My ppm meter is reading a bit of high (after calibration) taking readings from
Lucas 0-8-16 @ 1610(.7) and 2,2 EC starting from R/O @ 10 ppm
while it must read 1400(.7) and 2,0 EC .
In the oposite position the calibration solution of 1413 read it exactly 1413 .... anyway.
After getting partial control of my ph raising my EC based on
weak nutes=little buffer capacity i have the folowing issue.
The sign's is there before but they was very very slight hardly to notice ,
the last two days i have some spot's on some of my fan leafs and they spread slowly from bottom to top from older to newer leafs.
I was checking following sticky and i think that i have a Ca def or a nuteburn
Your opinions please and your help for fixing it.
The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688
some pics to help you
erwingruber
Member
Hello icmagers ,
I am here with some updated pics and as always my request for your
Help.
Today i put in my res about 10 litres of fresh plain R/O water my ppm
was @ 1204(.7) downdrifting from 1287(.7) in 3 days.My ph is more stable now and i try to keep it updrifting from 5,3 to 5,9.
I will post some general pictures of my girls that look almost good ,
but in detail i cab spot severe damge in the older-lower leafes.
As i describe in the above post based on the stickie i think that it is Ca defiance or nuteburns and i need your help here to indentify and solve my problem.
As my first step i lower my ppms adding plain R/O water to 1046(.7) a little bit lower form 1.5 EC (maybe my ppm is making high reading as i descipe in the above post)
My mother plant (Shiva Mother) is far behind from the hydro ones now , I can spot something on her new growth but i do not worry about her she is a fighter i will post pictures from her too any diagnosis it will be helpfull.
Enough talking let me let you help me with some photos.
General image
Root system
Shiva Mother in soil with signs on her new growth
Pictures of all my damaged leafes (older , lower ones)
I am here with some updated pics and as always my request for your
Help.
Today i put in my res about 10 litres of fresh plain R/O water my ppm
was @ 1204(.7) downdrifting from 1287(.7) in 3 days.My ph is more stable now and i try to keep it updrifting from 5,3 to 5,9.
I will post some general pictures of my girls that look almost good ,
but in detail i cab spot severe damge in the older-lower leafes.
As i describe in the above post based on the stickie i think that it is Ca defiance or nuteburns and i need your help here to indentify and solve my problem.
As my first step i lower my ppms adding plain R/O water to 1046(.7) a little bit lower form 1.5 EC (maybe my ppm is making high reading as i descipe in the above post)
My mother plant (Shiva Mother) is far behind from the hydro ones now , I can spot something on her new growth but i do not worry about her she is a fighter i will post pictures from her too any diagnosis it will be helpfull.
Enough talking let me let you help me with some photos.
General image
Root system
Shiva Mother in soil with signs on her new growth
Pictures of all my damaged leafes (older , lower ones)
today i saw in my grow a terrible mistake...
my res-not the controller- had almost 0,8 ec and i thought
was near of 0 ppm.. that was from last year because i never clean it. all my readings was wrong after that i notice.
2night i will change my water. i will tell you my readings
after that.!
by the way your plants looks much bigger. about the def you have
im almost sure that is cal-mag.i had it last year and was exacly like yours.!
cheers
my res-not the controller- had almost 0,8 ec and i thought
was near of 0 ppm.. that was from last year because i never clean it. all my readings was wrong after that i notice.
2night i will change my water. i will tell you my readings
after that.!
by the way your plants looks much bigger. about the def you have
im almost sure that is cal-mag.i had it last year and was exacly like yours.!
cheers
erwingruber
Member
scrog net installed
scrog net installed
@ dgkish
Yes the plants is in veg and yes probably you are right in both cases i must fix my cal mag issue.
@tjo
i cannot believe it !!
The remainings of nutes give 0,8 ec this is a lot of nutes.
Changing water is a pain in the ass for me too.
Well Hello icmagers ,
The plant's exploding with the roots inside the water , i leave them alone for 24 hours
and i was amazed from the one days growth.The Shiva Mother looks so small now
My girls drinking nutes like crazy they drink 100+ ppm in 3 days .Today i give them back 3 gallons
of fresh R/O water and i raise my EC @ 1,5 with fresh nutes.
I was planing to instal my scrog screnn 2 days before but i was away from my girls so i install
it today.The positioning of the plants is not ideal cause they are on the right side of my screen
so i will train them all 4 to the left.I believe that i do not have more time until 12/12 cause my screen
is almost ready , idealy i would like to see some female sign's before i filp them to 12/12 but will see.
Enough with the talking , i have some picture updates
The girls before the Scrog screen ... they have very very short internodes
The defiance is here but lighter i think.
Root view
Scrog screen installed
And the removed leafs with def signs
Close ups
That's all for now , i'll be back with some fresh training pics soon.
scrog net installed
@ dgkish
Yes the plants is in veg and yes probably you are right in both cases i must fix my cal mag issue.
@tjo
i cannot believe it !!
The remainings of nutes give 0,8 ec this is a lot of nutes.
Changing water is a pain in the ass for me too.
Well Hello icmagers ,
The plant's exploding with the roots inside the water , i leave them alone for 24 hours
and i was amazed from the one days growth.The Shiva Mother looks so small now
My girls drinking nutes like crazy they drink 100+ ppm in 3 days .Today i give them back 3 gallons
of fresh R/O water and i raise my EC @ 1,5 with fresh nutes.
I was planing to instal my scrog screnn 2 days before but i was away from my girls so i install
it today.The positioning of the plants is not ideal cause they are on the right side of my screen
so i will train them all 4 to the left.I believe that i do not have more time until 12/12 cause my screen
is almost ready , idealy i would like to see some female sign's before i filp them to 12/12 but will see.
Enough with the talking , i have some picture updates
The girls before the Scrog screen ... they have very very short internodes
The defiance is here but lighter i think.
Root view
Scrog screen installed
And the removed leafs with def signs
Close ups
That's all for now , i'll be back with some fresh training pics soon.
erwingruber
Member
Today i chop down my balcony Big Bud from sensi and i have a pic for you .
This plant was the worst from 18 cuttings and it is going to the trashcan ...
but i change my mind and give it one opportunity in my balcony.
Survive from temps over 113 F /45 celsius drinking alone 6 liters of water on the hot days.
The soda bottle is 500 ml
This plant was the worst from 18 cuttings and it is going to the trashcan ...
but i change my mind and give it one opportunity in my balcony.
Survive from temps over 113 F /45 celsius drinking alone 6 liters of water on the hot days.
The soda bottle is 500 ml
