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Old 08-20-2014, 10:51 PM #11
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I think you are spot on with your licensing assumptions here, shaggy.

As long as there's big money to be made in cannabis, big money will see a way to get their slice of the pie...and more. As long as there is big money to be made, corrupt people, both little and big will chameleon into whatever situation is needed to get their slice of the pie. We've seen it play out in person here ala med pot...and now via rec pot as well.

Where your 'logic" breaks down here for me is the same place it broke down for Armedoldhippy and that is when you fail to separate the personal from the commercial and see that they are 2 completely different things here.

Do you really think that just because they legalized retail sales for licensed entities that all of the folks cultivating gardens here who have long-standing connections or customers would simply direct them all to "legal sales"? Without a doubt, legal pot has put a damper on illegal profits here (more pot = less sales/lower prices/etc), but in no way, shape, or form has it ended "the Black market" here. Far from it.

The people I know who knew people before both 20 and 64 still have the same basic set up as before (although with less fear) and the people who never smoked/never had any connections/were never into weed before they were told it was OK pay the Gov't to smoke it and shop at the retail outlets. (and pay the standard prices from 10 years ago + 30% tax)

IMO, only those folks who haven't been paying attention/who have no real understanding of how business truly works could ever believe that weed/weed legalization would >somehow< be a different creature and would remain a cottage industry with HUGE profits, no liability, and no limitations...or that when they open the licensing up for all residents of the State of ___________...cops and judges and all the other pussies who had no involvement in weed will come out of the woodwork en masse' in support of filling their own wallets with cash.

In the end none of it matters if you take the $$$ out of the equation and grow only for personal stash. Sadly, many folks want it BOTH ways...no laws, no limits/no penalties/no regulation/no licensing/open sales AND the same big money profits they receive for their wares now in an illegal market...which if we're looking for "logic"...uuuhhhummm....is seemingly nowhere to be found. (have you seen/think such a place will ever exist...and what do you think pot would be WORTH there if it were to exist?)
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Old 08-20-2014, 11:21 PM #12
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I think you are spot on with your licensing assumptions here, shaggy.

As long as there's big money to be made in cannabis, big money will see a way to get their slice of the pie...and more. As long as there is big money to be made, corrupt people, both little and big will chameleon into whatever situation is needed to get their slice of the pie. We've seen it play out in person here ala med pot...and now via rec pot as well.

Where your 'logic" breaks down here for me is the same place it broke down for Armedoldhippy and that is when you fail to separate the personal from the commercial and see that they are 2 completely different things here.

Do you really think that just because they legalized retail sales for licensed entities that all of the folks cultivating gardens here who have long-standing connections or customers would simply direct them all to "legal sales"? Without a doubt, legal pot has put a damper on illegal profits here (more pot = less sales/lower prices/etc), but in no way, shape, or form has it ended "the Black market" here. Far from it.

The people I know who knew people before both 20 and 64 still have the same basic set up as before (although with less fear) and the people who never smoked/never had any connections/were never into weed before they were told it was OK pay the Gov't to smoke it and shop at the retail outlets. (and pay the standard prices from 10 years ago + 30% tax)

IMO, only those folks who haven't been paying attention/who have no real understanding of how business truly works could ever believe that weed/weed legalization would >somehow< be a different creature and would remain a cottage industry with HUGE profits, no liability, and no limitations...or that when they open the licensing up for all residents of the State of ___________...cops and judges and all the other pussies who had no involvement in weed will come out of the woodwork en masse' in support of filling their own wallets with cash.

In the end none of it matters if you take the $$$ out of the equation and grow only for personal stash. Sadly, many folks want it BOTH ways...no laws, no limits/no penalties/no regulation/no licensing/open sales AND the same big money profits they receive for their wares now in an illegal market...which if we're looking for "logic"...uuuhhhummm....is seemingly nowhere to be found. (have you seen/think such a place will ever exist...and what do you think pot would be WORTH there if it were to exist?)
I agree you can not have it both ways!!

I have dreams of it coming true everyday!(dreams)

I think if the market was flooded.
Everybody that wants to grow, can grow, as much as they want.
That would make up for those who don't want to grow!
As far as price goes, if the market is completely full and quality is from a-z then it would be priced accordingly.
I think it is possible to see $100 oz.'s of top shelf if it growing in every yard across the USA. (still dreaming here right)

I would like to see the farmers market scene take off!
Trade no cash needed.
A lil' blueberry for some strawberry ya know....just look around and get what you like.
If you bring crap you go home with the same crap or trade for different crap..... or maybe if some one is kind enough they will take a bunch of your crap and exchange it for a little bit-o-dank....no cash!

This would not be hard at all if big biz did not see $$$$$$$$$$$

What do ya think man?
Am I really asking for a pony here?...LOL(Jhhnn knows)

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Old 08-21-2014, 12:53 AM #13
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Political Contribution Controversy in Nevada

https://mmjbusinessdaily.com/politica...wing-in-nevada

A controversy over political contributions made by prospective cannabis entrepreneurs could be brewing in Nevada’s budding medical marijuana industry.

The Las Vegas Sun recently reported that prospective marijuana companies in Clark County donated funds to three county commissioners who are currently overseeing the licensing process.

Commissioners Chris Guinchigliani, Mary Beth Scow and Susan Brager received 14 total donations from cannabis entrepreneurs after Clark County announced early in March that it would allow medical marijuana businesses. Since March 1, the total amount donated by these companies is $56,900. Nearly 40% of the donations came from one venture, CW Nevada.

The three commissioners received an additional $45,500 during this time from 12 different law firms, according to the Sun. Law firms are not required to disclose their clients, however many firms in Southern Nevada have at least one client applying for a license.

All three commissioners justified the donations and said that the contributions would not sway them in deciding which companies will receive 18 dispensary licenses for Clark County. The hearings for those licenses are occuring this week.

Still, the donations are raising eyebrows across the marijuana industry. Cannabis entrepreneurs are still reeling from the licensing process in Massachusetts, which became embroiled in controversy after it was revealed that former state Congressman William Delahunt received three of the 20 provisional licenses.

No man this isn't corruption. This if muddafuckin Nevada. It's the way things get done!!! Really not surprising at all.
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I recall having heard of bipartisan support for publicly financed elections with the idea of keeping this sort of thing from happening. It does not seem that long ago.
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I think keeping people out of prison is a good place to start.
Under this system black market growers will still go to prison. So...what are you talking about?
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This thread was about LICENSING. Budtang HAS AN AGENDA THOUGH...so here we are again...

Personal growers here are not going to jail/do not risk jail time and are not a part of the "Black market".... unless...that is... they sell weed (as you want to do) and are caught doing so.

So far, nobody (State/LEO) seems to care though, as there are many people selling flowers/wax/shatter/bubble hash and edibles openly on craigslist here.

THAT is what is key. SOME folks go on and on about WHAT LEO >COULD< DO...painting the Chicken Little picture EVERYWHERE THEY GO....but are THE COPS DOING ANYTHING TO STOP ANY OF THIS HERE? No, they aren't. The ads just keep coming...

to me it's all a moot point until this changes and they actually enforce the laws on a "street level"....which..as we all know, they just don't have the manpower to do.
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Old 08-21-2014, 05:03 PM #17
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unless...that is... they sell weed (as you want to do) and are caught doing so.

That's not what I "want" to do. That's what I'm required to do by the circumstances.

If I had a choice I would choose to pay taxes on the weed I sell and put money back into the state. But, I don't have that choice. Remember?

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Under this system black market growers will still go to prison. So...what are you talking about?
i believe that she was referring to folks arrested for possession, as i was.
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to me it's all a moot point until this changes and they actually enforce the laws on a "street level"...which..as we all know, they just don't have the manpower to do.
here is where the rubber meets the blacktop...thanks.
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Old 08-21-2014, 05:25 PM #20
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i believe that she was referring to folks arrested for possession, as i was.
Nobody ever went to prison for minor possession charges. So, she was referring to something that has no barring on reality.

The only people who ever did jail time for minor possession were people in small towns with a low population. Highly populated counties never messed with putting people in prison for possession, though. So, it appears this system is only preventing small town residents from doing going to prison. As that was never a possibility with the majority of people in the country.
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