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Old 02-07-2019, 11:17 PM #341
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Is this the invisible hand of Big Pharma? CBD cutting too deeply into their "pain" med sales?

In Maine you can still purchase CBD products as part of the medical marijuana program as long as you have a medical card.
I believe its just the next step from the people that want to keep mj illegal. Big Pharma, the cartels, right wing evangelists. Legalize it and we will simply regulate it to death. Ala, the Idaho (and other state level) police, FDA, USDA, etc.

Which will be an interesting clash with the likes of Corona Brewing, Coca Cola and Pepsi who are all betting big on infused beverages.
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The only thing I know about this subject is that Oregon is close to Idaho.. here's what Idaho thinks about legal hemp: https://www.wptv.com/news/local-news...bis-from-truck

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Who out there is growing/selling/consuming among the trimmed hemp flower market? I would love to hear people's thoughts on the potential implications of the 2018 farm bill. Specifically, the impact of the new wording that requires compliance testing to be performed post decarboxylation. I haven't heard anyone talk about this, so I started another thread here.

This past year has been a strange one since Oregon choose to interpret the 2014 bill as to only test for delta-9-THC, regardless of the amount of THCa present. Most hemp companies are still pushing this interpretation. I am relatively confident that the wording in the new farm bill will require this practice to end, Imposing a strict limit of 0.3 total THC, post decarboxylation.

I am unclear how long it will be legal to sell hemp grown under the old rules, or how long States will have before they conform their state programs to the federal regulation.

Any input is appreciated.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:30 AM #344
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You guys say you charge $1/seed to level the playing field for all farmers.

When it comes to your cbg release, will you be releasing them to all farmers, thus leveling the playing field,or are you cherry picking a handful of farmers and just selling to them?
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You guys say you charge $1/seed to level the playing field for all farmers.

When it comes to your cbg release, will you be releasing them to all farmers, thus leveling the playing field,or are you cherry picking a handful of farmers and just selling to them?
It pretty clear that a good portion of whatever bank they're making on the seed sales is being dumped back into R&D that is producing some of the most exciting cannabis seeds and genetics out there. I don't see reason at all why someone should begrudge them the right to exploit their own ingenuity and elbow grease to secure a financial future for themselves before the inevitable theft of their work by a larger and more influential operation. One buck or two bucks a seed is still cheaper than DJ Short or Subcool, why are you even complaining here? If the CBG seeds are legit that flower is gonna be worth a fortune based on it's novelty value alone, if anything they should be asking more for those ones.
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For what it's worth, I can also confirm what you were reading in those other threads that THCV is most definitely NOT psychoactive.
Yes and no. As in yes, THCV alone does not get you "stoned". But it really is psychoactive. Or a better term would be psychotropic. In that it acts like amphetamine with THC, and like CBD prevents THC from getting you high for about 30 minutes. Which are psychoactive properties. CBD is also said to be 'non-psychoactive'. But it is as well. It also does not get you stoned, but it is a mood elevator, it blocks the effects of THC, and it averts epileptic seizures and fits. Meaning it psychoactive, or more correctly, psychotropic as it affects brain and nerve function. The FDA considers CBD a drug. They go way farther than I do on it though.

There is a difference between psychoactive and/or psychotropic and getting stoned or high. For example, Effexor, Wellbutrin and Prozac area all psychotropic drugs. They do not get you stoned. But they affect mood, brain function, cognizance, memory, yadda yadda. Yeah yeah, lots and lots of personal views on this and little to zero real hard medical evidence when it comes to cannabinoids and terpenes (many of which are also psychoactive). The word psychoactive gets thrown around as meaning getting high or stoned, but that is not the whole case. Caffeine is psychoactive. Nicotine is psychoactive. THC, THCV, CBN and CBD are all psychoactive. I can tell you from smoking and breeding a LOT of Durban Poison, that THCV in weed definitely has a different high than weed without THCV. I can say the same about weed with CBD and without. Different effects, and thus... they have psychoactive properties affecting the overall high or stone of weed.

Psychoactive: affecting the mind
Psychotropic: drugs affecting mood and mental state
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Been so long that a full update on the hemp world and our little operation probably isn't possible in a coherent, chronological manner, but it is always great to return to this space and share a bit. Passage of the 2018 Farm Bill has definitely had an impact on the industry, particularly in the scale and composition of players. As always, there are a lot of small farms still popping up or converting from medical / rec, but the big farms are successfully ramping up thousands of acres at a time. Rumors of Coke securing isolate contracts valued in the mid-8 figures and biomass supply issues have well-positioned farmers with any remaining material sitting on it until spring / early summer. Of course, snakes abound; the rotating cast of bad seed vendors, extraction skimmers, and scam artists continues with the ferocity of a human-sized, coked up whack-a-mole game.

We're just trying to keep our collective heads down and push forward with our ever-evolving plans, making seed that provides success for farmers without compromising quality. We know that our future competition in this sector are not the polyhybrid pollen tossers emigrating from failed THC ventures, they are very large companies who aren't even selling seed yet. To maintain a viable business into the future (even as a relatively boutique option), we've reinvested everything into infrastructure, equipment, and people. Our medium term plans rely on sealed greenhouses that allow for year-round production at multiple locations, in-house analytical chemical testing (multiple HPLCs) and genome sequencing (PacBio SeqWell II platform), and a staff of 20+ that are the best in the business. It's a cool place to be after starting with single shipping container in 2014 and never taking on investors or outside funding in any way. If we louse it up, it's on us.

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This is one of the spaces that will help us move forward even more quickly with new varietal development. For details on what that means in our breeding program, check out the talk I gave at CannMed 2018 @ UCLA back in September. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDPxXiKPnI
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Very impressive socioecologist. Looks like all the hard work is paying off.
I see bright things in your future endeavors.
Let me know when you take this company public.

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Phase II expansion for 2018-19 included the acquisition of a failed cannabis farm property with a previously rich history of plant research. In the early '80's, the site was home to a tree pollen research center tangentially connected to Bayer, then a lavender production property. We started with about 24k sq. ft. of useable production space, but are increasing that capacity by an additional 54k sq. ft. to allow for year-round seed production in sealed spaces. Bit by bit, it's all coming together--never fast enough to keep up with our projects! The critical aspect that sold us on this particular property was the already-installed 4k amp 3 phase service on site.

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