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Who wants to try it out: Giving plants a bit of alcohol to reduce stretch

3dDream

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The article, co-authored by Prof. William Miller Ph.D '86, horticulture, and Erin Finan '05, finds that watering the plans with a solution of four to five percent alcohol stunts paperwhites' stem growth without affecting their flower size or fragrance.

Paperwhites are "fun to grow, they're fragrant, and they're nice," Miller said.

But left to their own devices, the flowers soon lose their charm.

"They grow tall, and they fall over, and they're just aesthetically garbage when they do that," Miller said.

Miller and Finan first experimented growing paperwhites with plain ethanol, but once those flowers turned out well, the two turned to more readily available sources.

"It was not then a great leap of logic to go down to Northside and to buy a supply of various alcohols," Miller said.

The hard liquor - gin, vodka, whiskey, rum, tequila and peppermint schnapps - produced plants that were normal in all but height, but when the plants were given wine or beer, "they were effectively dead," he said.

Miller said that ingredients such as tannins and acids in red or white wines could be responsible for killing the flowers. With beer, the suspected culprit was the drink's sugar content - and the microbes it invites.

"Sugar also allows fungi to grow and bacteria to grow," he said. "Heineken's four-and-a-half percent alcohol ... you'd be adding one ounce of water to a 12 ounce bottle of Heineken to get four percent alcohol, so you're effectively talking about pure Heineken. And if you soak anything in pure Heineken for a week, it's going to be pretty nasty."

Although the experiments were conducted with brand-name liquors, Miller said he presumes that the cheap stuff should work just as well.

Like anything else in life, and especially when alcohol is involved, moderation is best for paperwhites. At about four to five percent, the flowers grow short yet strong. Raise that amount to 10 percent, though, and the plants start to suffer. At about 25 percent, they die.

According to the researchers, paperwhites should start out with plain water. About a week after planting, once their roots are growing and the shoot is green and about one or two inches tall, the grower should pour off the plain water and start the alcohol mix.

Although research hasn't confirmed it yet, Miller said one theory behind the alcohol's effect is "water stress" - essentially, diluting the actual water in the solution so that the plant stays thirsty. Greenhouse growers have used water deprivation - "wilting" - to keep plants short for a long time, Miller said, but that can be dangerous if people try it at home.

"A little bit of wilt becomes a lot of wilt. You're working that day, and if your plant starts wilting at 9 in the morning and you don't get home till 6 or 7, then you have a problem," he said. "If the plant wilts too much, then it dies."

Miller first got the idea for the experiment when a New York Times reporter asked him to verify a theory that pouring gin on paperwhites would keep them short due to juniper's "essential oils." Skeptical that oil had much to do with it, Miller instead turned to the alcohol content and proposed the experiment to Finan as a senior project.

"It was kind of interesting because nobody had ever done substantial research on the effect of alcohol on plants," Finan said. And although she expected the alcohol to just kill the flowers outright, the results were nearly perfect.

"It was great, because the flowers actually responded exponentially in growth" to the proportion of alcohol, she said.

The flower-growing industry already has various methods of controlling plants' heights, such as chemical treatments or environment regulation, but Miller said that this research is the first to give that level of control to the everyman.

"t is very typical for the homeowner to buy these plants, plant them up, they get too tall, and just when they're about ready to get nice - they flop over. ... It would be much nicer just to use this alcohol method."

With paperwhites under his belt, Miller is now starting to move into the realm of vegetables. There, even commercial growers who want to sell, for instance, tomato plants to gardeners have trouble, since chemicals are banned on the edible products. Growers can stunt growth by physically touching the tomatoes - the plant senses the touch and slows its growth - but that can be impractical for large nurseries.

As for Finan, she said she hasn't used the technique at her job gardening a private estate north of New York City, but she did use it to grow some paperwhites for her parents last Christmas. And though she said she doesn't believe the technique will work on plants other than bulb flowers, she said she's looking forward to the results, admitting that she was already wrong about plants and alcohol once before.

Many of the local florists The Sun contacted had not heard of the technique, and none had tried it yet, since paperwhites are mostly grown in winter. Holly Nash, who is the manager of Flower Fashions By Haring on Hanshaw Road, said she would want to try it herself before advising her customers of the technique.

"I might try it at home next winter," she said. "Intoxictaed plants are a whole new thing for me."

Meanwhile, Miller and Finan are enjoying the publicity the experiment has garnered. News of the research has been published internationally, and the experiments have been mentioned on several television and radio shows.

"I think the reason it has so much publicity is that it's practical to gardeners," Finan said. "I've heard a lot of people trying it out."


I plan on trying this with cannabis, but it will be a few months. Any takers until then?
 
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MummyCat

Trying this as soon as I get home with a landrace Mexican I have, might try it with Willie nelson also
 

foomar

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Bulbs like these paperwhites (daffodils) are being force grown for flowers in stones or gravel with no nutes or soil fauna in this article , the only thing the plant needs from the supporting media is water as it contains sufficient resources stored within the bulb.

The water stress theory sounds reasonable , roots are damaged by ethanol causeing wilting stress which brings on earlier , but smaller , flowers.
Have always just cut off a portion of the roots to achieve the same result if running late.

In soil with canna , bacteria will probably use ethanol as a carbon source very fast , no idea of the level at which root damage ocurrs but it could be quite low , media dependant.

To be honest , i dont see any mechanism here that would be of benefit to canna , would be better to spray the alcohol on the leaves as in methanol chunking , better still drink it yourself.
 

3dDream

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Are the roots damaged? The article mentions keeping them "thirsty".

" i dont see any mechanism here that would be of benefit to canna"

Stressing plants with the only effect being reducing the stretch sounds nice to me. I think destroying the roots would retard the plant more. I will read up a bit more.
 
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Tipsy sours now is it ??

Tipsy sours now is it ??

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Alcohol to reduce stretch

Alcohol to reduce stretch

Been doin this for years homie !!

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foomar

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Hi 3dDream , maybe a reduction of the plant roots capacity to absorb water above a certain level of ethanol rather than visible damage , temporary or permanent.

Would be hard to guage and quantify a level of water stress that would limit internode without pushing many plants and most elites into an intersex freakshow.

Limiting rootspace from the start of flower with same cut from four to two litres knocks a week off a 70 day flowertime for the same yield in a fixed space , maybe the constant low level stress and the odd near wilting conveys a sense of urgency.
 

Sam_Skunkman

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I have no idea if this works with Cannabis or not, as an experiment I did it with my wife and our first born, and sure enough, he is ten years old now and only 2 feet tall and for a bonus a small head, flat face, and narrowed eye openings, really cool. I can't wait to try it on all my Cannabis plants....
-SamS
 

PetFlora

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BUT, to minimize stretch, all you need is more blue/white light and less red.
 

Only Ornamental

Spiritually inspired agnostic mad scientist
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...as an experiment I did it with my wife and our first born, and sure enough, he is ten years old now and only 2 feet tall and for a bonus a small head, flat face, and narrowed eye openings, really cool...
-SamS
According to Günter Grass (known for his novella 'The Tin Drum'), making your kids take a fall down the basement stairs does this trick as well. The effect can even be reverted by repeating said treatment. :D

But seriously, did anyone finally try it?
 

Jhhnn

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BUT, to minimize stretch, all you need is more blue/white light and less red.

I'll agree with that. Look at Gnome's production under MH lamps or others' production under CMH. My own limited experience using a dual arc lamp is similar, if not as pronounced. Strains described by the breeder as tall, or lanky or stretchy don't turn out that way. I can veg longer to get bigger plants w/o fear of hitting the ceiling in a relatively short grow space.

I also suspect that light intensity plays a part- they'll reach for the light w/o enough intensity. With 1000w dual arc in a 4x4 space, that just doesn't happen. Even strains described as columnar develop strong side shoots with some spacing. In my limited experience, anyway.

And no, I have no intention of stunting them with booze.
 

HUGE

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In that if your night temp is equal to or higher than your day temp you will inhibit stretch. If your night temp is 10°or more lower than your day temp normal stretch will occur. Keep nights warm for the first 2 weeks then lower them to normal. You Dont want to keep them even through the whole grow as that will probably reduce yeild.
 
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rüdiger

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HUGE[/FONT], thank you very much for that information:tiphat:
 
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