China's Expansion into Indo-Pacific Region

Teddybrae said:

Banners under the ABC news (Australia) yesterday:

"US to partner with Australia and New Guinea to redevelop Manus Island Naval Base."

and:

"US Vice President Mike Pence says South China Sea does not belong to one nation."

China has begun building islands in the South China Sea where there were no islands before. They are achieving this by pumping from shoals and shallow places to build up sand islands. They put an airstrip on one and now tell other Nations to stay out of their waters. This is quite close to the Phillipines who are grumbling about the issue but can do nought. There have been "naval exercises" close by. Ships have almost collided (oo-er).

Australia is freaked out that the Chinese have loaned Papua/New Guinea millions of shekels at a reduced rate. (Smile smile We very friendly people, yes?) The freak out is because if the weather stays good it's possible to row from New Guinea to Oz in a small boat. The countries are so close.

Traditionally ... consequent to Japanese behaviour during World War Two ... Aussies have feared Asian people. How horrifying then for nationalistic Aussies to imagine that the yellow hordes are poised a rowboat journey away from invasion!

At a global level we are at the beginning of a push-back by the Allies (listen, I 'm fucking laughing as I write. It's so fucking preposterous that there even should be nations so what the fuck are 'allies'?) against Chinese Expansionism.

Stay tuned ...

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mean mr.mustard said:

Military length airstrips make the islands seem like refueling stations for something.

Once you build an island on and from sand can you tunnel underground at all?

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kickarse said:

what should we have instead of Nations?
one big lefty/commie UN world government, that will be fun hey
we could all have a social credit score

read a history book teddy

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Teddybrae said:

US Vice President Mike Pence says South China Sea does not belong to one nation.

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troutman said:

Why do they call it South China Sea then?

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kickarse said:

The Indian ocean must belong to India then, going by the logic on here

The Poms should of named them all after England, than the English race of people would of owned them all

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gaiusmarius said:

the Chinese are and have been playing a long game, they are just about on the point where they will overtake the US as the worlds largest economy. they are working fast to become equal in military power too, on top of that their diplomatic corps works together with their top companies and banks to go into impoverished nations and offer them the kind of real help that they need, without all the strings the imf normally attaches to any help. this gets their foot in the door, as a partner nation to what ever African or Asian state it happens to be. it's a powerful strategy, because they are willing to make deals that will only pay out 20, 50 or even 100 years from now, while westerners wants profits within weeks ideally. if you ask me, if we don't do something, we will all be ruled by China in 50 years. first step is to make peace with Russia, stop doing things that drive the Russians and Chinese into each others arms. stop letting economic pirates go around looting third world countries in the name of western corporations and show these nations basic decency in business and political relations. show them respect as sovereign nations, else they will deal with China instead who won't try telling them what to do while raping their natural resources. instead they invest and take the profit, while letting the nation keep it's sovereignty. who would you want to deal with?

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gaiusmarius said:

the Chinese are and have been playing a long game, they are just about on the point where they will overtake the US as the worlds largest economy. they are working fast to become equal in military power too, on top of that their diplomatic corps works together with their top companies and banks to go into impoverished nations and offer them the kind of real help that they need, without all the strings the imf normally attaches to any help. this gets their foot in the door, as a partner nation to what ever African or Asian state it happens to be. it's a powerful strategy, because they are willing to make deals that will only pay out 20, 50 or even 100 years from now, while westerners wants profits within weeks ideally. if you ask me, if we don't do something, we will all be ruled by China in 50 years. first step is to make peace with Russia, stop doing things that drive the Russians and Chinese into each others arms. stop letting economic pirates go around looting third world countries in the name of western corporations and show these nations basic decency in business and political relations. show them respect as sovereign nations, else they will deal with China instead who won't try telling them what to do while raping their natural resources. instead they invest and take the profit, while letting the nation keep it's sovereignty. who would you want to deal with?

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Brother Nature said:

The west has also hedged it's bets on China's failure, which to this point is not happening, quite the opposite as you and others have pointed out. The statement of "if we don't do something, we will all be ruled by China in 50 years" is a bit perplexing to me though. From my perspective, that doesn't seem like a bad thing. I don't mean worldwide rule either, but the way things currently are the world superpowers are war-mongering, short return, damn-all-but-profits, imperialists with their hands in every countries pockets regardless of the impact they cause. No matter how the cookie crumbles, there's always going to be a bigger fish with it's finger in your pie, I'd prefer a peaceful whale shark over an aggressive great white any day. Of course, absolute power corrupts absolutely and we couldn't possibly know what will happen if/when the powers shift, but maybe it is time for a change?

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