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Gypsy Nirvana · Mar 1, 2018

Weird said:
I think he has a realm of wealth that the public is not privy to as well as an agenda to enrich his contemporaries. A fall guy can't be controlled by proxy of his ignorance since it is not a state that can be guaranteed and if that person in that position of power becomes privy to it he could turn the tides on the manipulator.

There are several organizations whose members in public positions are more loyal to it than the people they serve and these secretive alliances exist and contribute to phenomenon like a deep partisan divide because it allows them ultimately control through their maintained allegiance.

A fall guy is not indispensable and can be made to fail by a single bullet, and then replaced by a new actor that is more in tune with what the major corporate interests want to gain or protect.

For lesson 101 on this all you have to do is look at JFK, and the reasons why he was 86'ed and replaced by LBJ.....so if the current POTUS does not tow the corporate line, he may well be the fall guy for the next POTUS.

toxic hippie · Mar 1, 2018

Packerfan79 you sure seem to know what the left wants all the time every time. I would suspect that your a secret shopper?

Weird · Mar 1, 2018

Gypsy Nirvana said:
A fall guy is not indispensable and can be made to fail by a single bullet, and then replaced by a new actor that is more in tune with what the major corporate interests want to gain or protect.

For lesson 101 on this all you have to do is look at JFK, and the reasons why he was 86'ed and replaced by LBJ.....so if the current POTUS does not tow the corporate line, he may well be the fall guy for the next POTUS.

Fall guy is someone who takes the hit for someone else, in this case trump for the proposed puppeteers.

If you are saying he is disposable I still disagree in that he wasn't used because he was disposable but rather he took the opportunity because he saw it ripe for the taking.

The public is that abstracted from politics it is a simple out in the open cash grab by a charismatic narcissist sociopaths profiteer.

You can tell by what he promises and what is delivered. Putting more into it than that is just makes a complex problem more complicated and easier to say internally we can't do anything just give up.

That is where the war is being won, in the minds of the mainstream, spirits hobbled before they get out of bed.

mean mr.mustard · Mar 1, 2018

Not to start a JFK conspiracy...

But nobody believes that there was only one bullet.

Bwanabud · Mar 1, 2018

packerfan79 said:
Trump stands to gain much. He already has a 50 % approval now. Better than Obama had at the same time.

You need to turn off Fox News, he doesn't have a 50% approval rating at a family Christmas dinner.

mean mr.mustard said:
Not to start a JFK conspiracy...

But nobody believes that there was only one bullet.

I do, and have seen what bullets can do when striking multiple objects.

Gypsy Nirvana · Mar 1, 2018

Trump is smart enough to know and understand what happened to Kennedy, and to not make the same mistakes in going against the corporate interests that led to JFK's demise.....so we are seeing him altering his election promises to fall in line with what is accepted and expected by those that pull his strings...

All Presidents are eventually replaced anyway after a few years....They are not supposed to be a permanent fixture,
so in essence are disposable whether they manage to finish one term in office or two, or happen to be taken out by illness, death by natural causes or assassination. That is why there is a vice President ready to take over.....

You need to believe that you can do something about it.....but whoever you vote for the government gets in no matter what party or actor they have who makes it to be President, and you will still be owing countless trillions of dollars to the guys who really pull the strings..

Sadly ....governments are owned by the banks and serve them more than they serve the people.

Weird said:
Fall guy is someone who takes the hit for someone else, in this case trump for the proposed puppeteers.

If you are saying he is disposable I still disagree in that he wasn't used because he was disposable but rather he took the opportunity because he saw it ripe for the taking.

The public is that abstracted from politics it is a simple out in the open cash grab by a charismatic narcissist sociopaths profiteer.

You can tell by what he promises and what is delivered. Putting more into it than that is just makes a complex problem more complicated and easier to say internally we can't do anything just give up.

That is where the war is being won, in the minds of the mainstream, spirits hobbled before they get out of bed.

Wendull C. · Mar 1, 2018

Rubber Chicken said:
I think people carry on about 'the CONSTITUTION, the CONSTITUTION' as if it is written by god or something (not that i'm religious)?

Like 'look, look, it's in the constitution' it says i can do whatever i want... blah, blah'

Isn't the constitution ever evolving?

No! It is a document that has served our country well for 225 + years.

That liberal evolving theory is activist judges reason to piss on said document.

mean mr.mustard · Mar 1, 2018

The Constitution is created with the idea that it can and should change.

It's written in it.

225 years ago we had slavery and no cars airplanes or electricity.

It seems our founding fathers knew things will change and made allowances for the law to change as well.

packerfan79 · Mar 1, 2018

mean mr.mustard said:
The Constitution is created with the idea that it can and should change.

It's written in it.

225 years ago we had slavery and no cars airplanes or electricity.

It seems our founding fathers knew things will change and made allowances for the law to change as well.

The bill of rights should not be up for change. We can amend the constitution, not change what was written. Why would you want to change a bill of rights? Do we not deserve the rights that the founders wrote preceded government? Rights that were granted by our creator, not by government.

Wendull C. · Mar 1, 2018

mean mr.mustard said:
The Constitution is created with the idea that it can and should change.

It's written in it.

225 years ago we had slavery and no cars airplanes or electricity.

It seems our founding fathers knew things will change and made allowances for the law to change as well.

Yes sir, with constitutional amendments voted on by our elected representatives. Not by activist judges, whose job it is to interperet the document. NOT LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH.

Mick · Mar 1, 2018

packerfan79 said:
Since the Democratic party can't get any farther left without bringing Lenin or Stalin back from the dead.

Wow, do you ever think before you write?

packerfan79 · Mar 1, 2018

Mick said:
Wow, do you ever think before you write?

Yes, I do. You don't belive me why has the Democratic party pulled support from Diane Finestine, the sitting senator from California. She wasn't far enough to the left for the Democratic party.

Mick · Mar 1, 2018

packerfan79 said:
Yes, I do. You don't belive me why has the Democratic party pulled support from Diane Finestine, the sitting senator from California. She wasn't far enough to the left for the Democratic party.

You've had this explained to you a few times already.
Both the Democratics and the Republican Parties are right - Democrats are center right are Republicans far right.

toxic hippie · Mar 1, 2018

packerfan79 said:
Yes, I do. You don't belive me why has the Democratic party pulled support from Diane Finestine, the sitting senator from California. She wasn't far enough to the left for the Democratic party.

They didn’t pull support. The delegates were split going into the primaries. So the the cali Dems opted to not support either candidate til after the nomination is made for the election. This in its self shows the party is listening to their constituents.

CaptainDankness · Mar 1, 2018

Gypsy Nirvana said:
Trump is smart enough to know and understand what happened to Kennedy, and to not make the same mistakes in going against the corporate interests that led to JFK's demise.....so we are seeing him altering his election promises to fall in line with what is accepted and expected by those that pull his strings...

All Presidents are eventually replaced anyway after a few years....They are not supposed to be a permanent fixture,
so in essence are disposable whether they manage to finish one term in office or two, or happen to be taken out by illness, death by natural causes or assassination. That is why there is a vice President ready to take over.....

You need to believe that you can do something about it.....but whoever you vote for the government gets in no matter what party or actor they have who makes it to be President, and you will still be owing countless trillions of dollars to the guys who really pull the strings..

Sadly ....governments are owned by the banks and serve them more than they serve the people.

For real, Trump is no better than any other president, I gave him the benefit of a doubt but now he's calling for the death penalty for selling drugs. He also hasn't done anything about Sessions anti marijuana stance.

Clearly in big pharma's pockets they take out medical marijuana GW and Bayer make trillions on cannabinoid based drugs.

Seen it coming before Obama and it's now just around the corner.

packerfan79 · Mar 1, 2018

Mick said:
You've had this explained to you a few times already.
Both the Democratics and the Republican Parties are right - Democrats are center right are Republicans far right.

That's your opinion. It's flat out wrong. But it's your opinion.

Explain how a Democratic "Socialist" should have gotten the nomination of a party you claim is center right .

Mick · Mar 2, 2018

packerfan79 said:
That's your opinion. It's flat out wrong. But it's your opinion.

Explain how a Democratic "Socialist" should have gotten the nomination of a party you claim is center right .

Hey, let's get back on track. You said "Since the Democratic party can't get any farther left without bringing Lenin or Stalin back from the dead." That's bullshit, and you must know it. So instead of owning it, you start throwing up "what-about's". "what-about's" like Diane Finestine, or "what-about" a Democratic Socialist, neither of which comes even close to proving your original statement. There's no way to have a rational debate with "what-about" people.
You told a porkie pie and got called on it. So I guess you can either man up and own it or keep digging a bigger hole for yourself.

Borderliner · Mar 2, 2018

don't bother me with facts

Bwanabud · Mar 2, 2018

I was with ya till you pulled the "porkie pie" slam, don't know what that is....but shiiit :biggrin:

Mick · Mar 2, 2018

Bwanabud said:
I was with ya till you pulled the "porkie pie" slam, don't know what that is....but shiiit

Definition of a porkie pie.

" 1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood."

Sometimes lies, half truths, smoke and mirrors can be kind of amusing, but sometimes I feel the need to call one out.

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