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Alaskan Thunder Fuck: Truth & Legend

armedoldhippy

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the original was known as Matanuska Thunderfuck, allegedly grown in the valley by that name. I got to smoke some in the late 70s, brought home by a USAF fuelie on leave. 'twas a mindfuck, verily...:woohoo:
 

ApolloAK

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Only newer hybrids are around. You wouldn't want to smoke it anyways, single digit THC is too mellow for me
 

Greyskull

Twice as clear as heaven and twice as loud as reas
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In 2007/8 I had a new patient that just moved to SoCal from Washington. He had spent numerous years living in Palmer...
He told me he could get me a clone of the Matanuska Thunderfuck for $X.
I gave him the money and two weeks later his friend drove down in a beat up van with a cooler holding a clone in a bcuzz block.
I also was given a Palmer dollar from a county fair for authenticity's sake... I had pics posted in an old grow thread of the plants at all stages of growth.
It's a very fast plant to grow and ripenes up in 8-9wks. Has a bit of a tangerine citrus aroma and a musky flavor that is quite nice. The stone is a creeper. I wish I would have kept it.... If I get a chance to get it again I'd love to see how she does in Maui....
 

AKmedical

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You Sir would be correct. I happen to grow up in said "Valley" for 38 years. Still live here. MTF has been gone for some time now, it was the bomb diggity, no doubt. I would be HIGHLY suspicious if someone said they "have it." I had many a good times smoking that weed growing up. She is missed.

:grouphug:

the original was known as Matanuska Thunderfuck, allegedly grown in the valley by that name. I got to smoke some in the late 70s, brought home by a USAF fuelie on leave. 'twas a mindfuck, verily...:woohoo:
 

calitree

New member
You Sir would be correct. I happen to grow up in said "Valley" for 38 years. Still live here. MTF has been gone for some time now, it was the bomb diggity, no doubt. I would be HIGHLY suspicious if someone said they "have it." I had many a good times smoking that weed growing up. She is missed.

:grouphug:

thanks for the info
 

stoned40yrs

Ripped since 1965
Veteran
QUOTE=AKmedical;6805114]You Sir would be correct. I happen to grow up in said "Valley" for 38 years. Still live here. MTF has been gone for some time now, it was the bomb diggity, no doubt. I would be HIGHLY suspicious if someone said they "have it." I had many a good times smoking that weed growing up. She is missed.

:grouphug:[/QUOTE]

I had it live till a few months ago and I still have 8 zips that's been jarred up and curing for 5 months:tiphat:I only know what I saw and this is what I saw. I started smoking and selling in 1965 and came to Alaska in 1973. I had whatever I could sent up here to sell. There were only 4 types available on the streets here then. Mexican, Colombian, Jamaican and Thai sticks or bagged. There was no indoor growing then and any outdoor growing was done by pulling tarp over small greenhouse grows to get 12/12. These were all from the seeds of the 4 strains I listed. Then thousands and thousands of young guys started flooding into the state to build the pipeline in the mid 70s. Money everywhere. This is when the first guys from Hawaii showed up with the sweet piney smelling sensimilla. There is no doubt in my mind that this is where the seed stock for MTF came from. By the early 80s it was being grown out door by pulling tarp in the Tanana and Mat-Su valleys. The biggest grows were in the Tanana valley as the Matanuska valley was a low populated backwater area then and the Tanana valley had more people and got a lot more intensive sun and temperatures.:biggrin: Somebody coined the name in the early 80s and the name was used to sell any and everything but if you knew the strain you weren't fooled. The largest MTF grow was taken down in the early 80s in the Tanana valley, Thousands of plants in greenhouses disguised as a tomato operation. Anyhow a disabled nam vet in the Mat-su valley got the strain in the mid 80s when indoor growing started to catch on. He kept it growing by clone till 2008 when he died and my friend got all his strains and equipment. I got a clone from him and did 3 runs with it. Same strain I remember from waaaaay back. Nice buzz but still got them damn airy buds, no matter how you grow it. I culled it. I'm on a low plant count and I'm not keeping plants for nostalgia reasons:biggrin: I thought my buddy would always have clones if I wanted it back but it turns out he finally wanted to upgrade all his strains, bye, bye. MTF. oh well, I still got some jars buried and when the ground thaws I'll post up some pics of the cured nugs. I'm sure there are a thousand stories on MTF and this is just mine. Right now I'm trying to get some seeds from a Ruderalis dom hybred plant that that will grow and reproduce outdoors in Alaska. It was developed in MJ research by the University of Alaska- Fairbanks in the early 80s. Some seeds were stolen. People are growing it, I want some:tiphat:
 

calitree

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QUOTE=AKmedical;6805114]You Sir would be correct. I happen to grow up in said "Valley" for 38 years. Still live here. MTF has been gone for some time now, it was the bomb diggity, no doubt. I would be HIGHLY suspicious if someone said they "have it." I had many a good times smoking that weed growing up. She is missed.

:grouphug:

I had it live till a few months ago and I still have 8 zips that's been jarred up and curing for 5 months:tiphat:I only know what I saw and this is what I saw. I started smoking and selling in 1965 and came to Alaska in 1973. I had whatever I could sent up here to sell. There were only 4 types available on the streets here then. Mexican, Colombian, Jamaican and Thai sticks or bagged. There was no indoor growing then and any outdoor growing was done by pulling tarp over small greenhouse grows to get 12/12. These were all from the seeds of the 4 strains I listed. Then thousands and thousands of young guys started flooding into the state to build the pipeline in the mid 70s. Money everywhere. This is when the first guys from Hawaii showed up with the sweet piney smelling sensimilla. There is no doubt in my mind that this is where the seed stock for MTF came from. By the early 80s it was being grown out door by pulling tarp in the Tanana and Mat-Su valleys. The biggest grows were in the Tanana valley as the Matanuska valley was a low populated backwater area then and the Tanana valley had more people and got a lot more intensive sun and temperatures.:biggrin: Somebody coined the name in the early 80s and the name was used to sell any and everything but if you knew the strain you weren't fooled. The largest MTF grow was taken down in the early 80s in the Tanana valley, Thousands of plants in greenhouses disguised as a tomato operation. Anyhow a disabled nam vet in the Mat-su valley got the strain in the mid 80s when indoor growing started to catch on. He kept it growing by clone till 2008 when he died and my friend got all his strains and equipment. I got a clone from him and did 3 runs with it. Same strain I remember from waaaaay back. Nice buzz but still got them damn airy buds, no matter how you grow it. I culled it. I'm on a low plant count and I'm not keeping plants for nostalgia reasons:biggrin: I thought my buddy would always have clones if I wanted it back but it turns out he finally wanted to upgrade all his strains, bye, bye. MTF. oh well, I still got some jars buried and when the ground thaws I'll post up some pics of the cured nugs. I'm sure there are a thousand stories on MTF and this is just mine. Right now I'm trying to get some seeds from a Ruderalis dom hybred plant that that will grow and reproduce outdoors in Alaska. It was developed in MJ research by the University of Alaska- Fairbanks in the early 80s. Some seeds were stolen. People are growing it, I want some:tiphat:[/QUOTE]

great story!! thanks
 
Does anyone here have a photo of an actual plant? Is there anyone here if they saw an actual plant, would be able to recognize it and know if it is a AKTF, mtf?
Let me know. I am suppose to have one growing now, but I have no proof that it is one.
 

waveguide

Active member
Veteran
Only newer hybrids are around. You wouldn't want to smoke it anyways, single digit THC is too mellow for me

seriously, all these seed cos. with the same new dank hybrids.. in the current era, if a seed co. could make $ specialising in old kindsa weed.. see a couple of older folks looking for "not so potent weed like in the old days".
 

mack 10

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Man that's a shame, you should of passed out clones before you ditched it.
There might of been ireplaceable genes lost.
 

Cuzin_Dave

Active member
Truly enjoyed the Grimm version of MT. Grew it and bred it out for myself several times. Gave all my seeds and cuts away which I now truly regret even more so since no one took it any further or did dumb hack crosses. Found some interesting phenos that seemed to be descendants of outstanding Northern Lights seed lines crossed with outstanding California Skunk. Guess if a person was patient and pheno phished might really find some incredible unforgettable smoke.
 

garyw

Member
I found this online by someone who grew up in Palmer at a government vegetable program in the valley.

Unknown or Legendary - Matanuska Thunderfuck
Matanuska Thunder Fuck refers to any good cannabis coming out of the Matanuska Valley in Alaska since the early 70s. If you research the history of Palmer, you will find that it was/is a government agriculture experimental station. The original families who moved here for this experiment had children in Palmer around the 40's & 50's that were influenced by the hippie movement and the influx of their kind to the Matanuska-Susitna Valley around the beginning of the 70's. With the knowledge those children gained, while working with their parents on their family farms growing up, and from the projects they were involved in at the experimental station as college students, and from a few new found hippy friends from the west coast of the US, they began flower-forcing by blacking out greenhouses during the summer. None made clones. They did remove males, and they knew how to prepare the cannabis for market. So with that, people in Alaska started to see some green bud as opposed to imported bud, and it was all coming out of the valley.

By the 80's, only a few of those people remained. Some were busted. Others moved on. Those that remained began taking clones and growing indoors. One of those men, Larry, met my father and taught him the techniques that some still use to this day here in the valley. Unfortunately, both Larry and my father are dead and the valley is full of greedy people, so the story of a strain named MTF just isn't true. Most people who say that they have smoked it give inconsistent descriptions for flavor and effect. Most of the cannabis in the valley is grown from seeds bought from mainstream seed banks/breeders.

Matanuska Thunder Fuck Myths:
To start, I have more than 20 years of experience with cannabis, beginning with guidance from my father. I feel sure that there are few people who know as much about MTF as I do. My family has lived in the Matanuska Valley/Palmer since 1940, well before Alaska was even a state.

MYTHS:
* There is/was a strain named MTF/Matanuska Thunder Fuck- Any PREMIUM cannabis from the valley is called MTF.

***Untrue there is nothing that taste, smells or blows you away like MTF. As of 10+ years ago main growers on the inner and outer springer loop left the area to grow harvest up north and then little if any was found at the Alaska State Fair since. How do I know this?? In the late 70's I was introduced to the main growers due to my brother when to school with them all.*****
* Cannabis finishes flowering outdoors in the valley- Unless cannabis is auto-flowering it will grow large because of the long, bright days during summer, but it will never reach maturity before the cold and rain kill it. Light deprivation is the way to go.
* This so-called strain named MTF needs a frost before harvest to yield maximum resin- Most cannabis is severely damaged if it does survive a frost. NOT RECOMMENDED!
* This so-called strain named MTF is native to Alaska- NO cannabis is native to Alaska, or even the Americas. Try the Asian continent.
* There are only mainstream strains in Alaska- If you know someone who's been growing in the valley since cloning caught on in the early 80's, you could possibly come across some of the old school clones, but I'd say it's improbable. Most don't even know where the clones that they get originated from. Of people making seeds, few really understand the science behind it, and the seed stock really doesn't compare to anything available on the world market. Although the work of quite a few commercial breeders is nothing to write home about, the few who do possess the knowledge won't reveal themselves or their methods for fear of loosing decades of hard work. And yes, they do possess genetic stock outside the world seed market. They're still hoping things will change and one day they will step up.
* Cannabis is now only allowed for registered patients in Alaska- You can legally posses up to 28.35 grams in the PRIVACY of your home. Growing up to 24 plants is a misdemeanor. Although, according to one attorney he personally keeps up to four ounces (113.4 grams). Privacy, meaning no one can see it from a window or doorway outside your house.
* Law enforcement in the valley can get warrants based on odors or abnormally high electric bills- They must be able to show probable cause that you are selling/distributing, cultivating(cannabis), or that you possess more than is allowed for personal use.

I think the lesson to take away from this is, what is being done in places like Amsterdam, Spain, UK, California, and Canada can be done anywhere on this planet. It has been done on ships in international waters, a shopping mall in Florida, even Antarctica. So, wherever you're at, you can grow MTF quality cannabis. Just remember, the more you educate yourself on the subject, ie., lab work, experiment, and cultivate, the more likely you will grow true THUNDER FUCK!

Disclaimer: In no way is this to be construed to be an advocation to break the law. I am not a lawyer, and in no way should you consider this legal advice. This is my view and I encourage you to discover truth for yourself.

Addition (from a medical grower/researcher (Ph.D.)): A medical clone called "Matanuska Valley Thunder Fuck" (or MVTF) ended up in Oregon. It is said to be a cross between "golf bud" and the "original" Matanuska Thunderfuck, both created in Alaska. The flavor is a pungent orange-citrus and is unmistakable--the aroma, once burnt, will fill a room. The clone also went by the name "Tange" (short for Tangerine). It is a prolific producer of high quality flowers and is the earliest flowering outdoor plant I have ever grown.

It begins flowering by July 5th at 45 degrees N and finishes the first weeks of September. One of the single-best medical clones to grow outdoors--period. This particular clone is now available in several California dispensaries as well.

The Matanuska Valley is well known for its exceptional ability to grow vegetables. MTF is not so much a strain. It refers to virtually any marijuana grown in the Matanuska Valley. The Matanuska valley is a location that has an optimal growing season and extremely fertile soil. Consequently, seeds bought from the mainstream seed banks/breeders tend to grow to their optimal potential in the valley. Most old timers, like my old boss who lived there, grew and kept most of their yield for family and friends. The winter is long up here. I am always skeptical when I hear people talking about actually having some "MTF" in the lower 48.

Correction written by Mat-M.T.F. Genetics-Palmer, Alaska
 

green404

Member
I used to have a friend that knew someone that worked in Alaska for the summer, every fall in the late 80s they would bring back some "Matanuska Thunderfuck". I was good pot reminded me of Skunk buds. It was a treat in those days where most pot was Mexican brick.

Years later I know people that live in Palmer and ask them about the legendary "Matanuska Thunderfuck". They tell me it is myth and that most all cannabis in that area gets grown indoors. Any pot that comes out of the area and is good gets called "Matanuska Thunderfuck" "Thunderfuck" "Alaskan Thunderfuck" etc.

The guys from Palmer also say that what is grown indoors in the Matanuska Valley is the same as everywhere, seed bank stock. I am sure in the late 80s I was probably smoking Skunk#1 or Northern Lights.

The true story was a let down, for years I imagined massive cannabis plats growing inches in hours and making buds the size of cabbage under the 24hr sun. The truth just another Skunk #1 under a indoor light.
 

Greyskull

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I am of the opinion that Thunderfuck is just like Maui Wowie... what you call good, region specific, exported cannabis.

Aloha
 

Aota1

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I have no point of reference with this one but just picked up (for the second time/a yearish ago and yesterday) these growers representation of MTF for the shop I manage. They have some rarer genetics and came to Oregon from Washington a couple years back. I enjoy it and there’s a strong lasting effect no doubt.
I’m skeptical of a lot after 3 years in the retail side of rec but believe it’s probably the real deal. Haha
 

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