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Why the West cannot stomach RUSSIA!

Gypsy Nirvana

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I came across this article on another site about Russia, and found myself agreeing with much of what is said within it, so I thought that I would share it with ya'll and see what the response might be.

By Andre Vltchek
Global Research, March 13, 2018

When it comes to Russia or the Soviet Union, reports and historical accounts do get blurry; in the West they do, and consequently in all of its ‘client states’.

Fairy tales get intermingled with reality, while fabrications are masterfully injected into sub consciousness of billions of people worldwide. Russia is an enormous country, in fact the largest country on Earth in terms of territory. It is scarcely inhabited. It is deep, and as a classic once wrote:
“It is impossible to understand Russia with one’s brain. One could only believe in it.”

The Western mind generally doesn’t like things unknown, spiritual and complex. Since the ‘old days’, especially since the crusades and monstrous colonialist expeditions to all corners of the world, the Westerners were told fables about their own “noble deeds”performed in the plundered lands. Everything had to be clear and simple:

“Virtuous Europeans were civilizing savages and spreading Christianity, therefore, in fact, saving those dark poor primitive souls.”

Of course, tens of millions were dying in the process, while further tens of millions were shackled and brought to the “New World” as slaves. Gold, silver, and other loot, as well as slave labor had been (and still are) paying for all those European palaces, railroads, universities and theatres, but that did not matter, as the bloodshed was most of the time something abstract and far away from those over-sensitive eyes of the Western public.

Westerners like simplicity, particularly when it comes to moral definitions of “good and evil”. It matters nothing if the truth gets systematically ‘massaged’, or even if the reality is fully fabricated. What matters is that there is no deep guilt and no soul-searching. Western rulers and their opinion makers know their people – their ‘subjects’ – perfectly well, and most of the time, they give them what they are asking for. The rulers and the reigned are generally living in symbiosis. They keep bitching about each other, but mostly they have similar goals: to live well, to live extremely well, as long as the others are forced to pay for it; with their riches, with their labor and often with their blood.

Culturally, most of the citizens of Europe and North America hate to pay the bill for their highlife; they even detest to admit that their life is extremely ‘high’. They like to feel like victims. They like to feel that they are ‘used’. They like to imagine that they are sacrificing themselves for the rest of the world.
And above all, they hate real victims: those they have been murdering, raping, plundering and insulting, for decades and centuries.

Recent ‘refugee crises’ showed the spite Europeans feel for their prey. People who made them rich and who lost everything in the process are humiliated, despised and insulted. Be they Afghans or Africans, the Middle Easterners or South Asians. Or Russians, although Russians are falling to its own, unique category.
Many Russians look white. Most of them eat with knife and fork, they drink alcohol, excel at Western classical music, poetry, literature, science and philosophy.

To Western eyes they look ‘normal’, but actually, they are not.
Russians always want ‘something else’; they refuse to play by Western rules.
They are stubbornly demanding to remain different, and to be left alone.

When confronted, when attacked, they fight.
They rarely strike first, almost never invade.

But when threatened, when assaulted, they fight with tremendous determination and force, and they never lose. Villages and cities get converted into invader’s graves. Millions die while defending their Motherland, but the country survives. And it happens again and again and again, as the Western hordes have been, for centuries, assaulting and burning Russian lands, never learning the lesson and never giving up on their sinister dream of conquering and controlling that proud and determined colossus.
In the West, they don’t like those who defend themselves, who fight against them, and especially those who win
It gets much worse than that.

Russia has this terrible habit… not only it defends itself and its people, but it also fights for the others, protecting colonized and pillaged nations, as well as those that are unjustly assaulted.
It saved the world from Nazism. It did it at a horrific price of 25 million men, women and children, but it did it; courageously, proudly and altruistically. The West never forgave the Soviet Union for this epic victory either, because all that is unselfish and self-sacrificing, is always in direct conflict with its own principles, and therefore ‘extremely dangerous’.

The Russian people had risen; had fought and won in the 1917 Revolution; an event which terrified the West more than anything else in history, as it had attempted to create a fully egalitarian, classless and racially color-blind society. It also gave birth to Internationalism, an occurrence that I recently described in my book The Great October Socialist Revolution: Impact on the World and the Birth of Internationalism.

Soviet Internationalism, right after the victory in WWII, helped greatly, directly and indirectly, dozens of countries on all continents, to stand up and to confront the European colonialism and the North American imperialism. The West and especially Europe never forgave the Soviet people in general and Russians in particular, for helping to liberate its slaves.

That is when the greatest wave of propaganda in human history really began to roll. From London to New York, from Paris to Toronto, an elaborate web of anti-Soviet and covertly anti-Russian hysteria was unleashed with monstrously destructive force. Tens of thousands of ‘journalists’, intelligence officers, psychologists, historians, as well as academics, were employed. Nothing Soviet, nothing Russian (except those glorified and often ‘manufactured’ Russian dissidents) was spared.

The excesses of the Great October Socialist Revolution and the pre-WWII era were systematically fabricated, exaggerated, and then engraved into the Western history textbooks and mass media narrative. In those tales, there was nothing about the vicious invasions and attacks coming from the West, aimed at destroying young Bolshevik state. Naturally, there was no space for mentioning the British, French, U.S., Czech, Polish, Japanese, German and other’s monstrous cruelties.
Soviet and Russian views were hardly ever allowed to penetrate the monolithic and one-sided Western propaganda narrative.

Like obedient sheep, the Western public accepted the disinformation it was fed with. Eventually, many people living in the Western colonies and ‘client states’, did the same. A great number of colonized people were taught how to blame themselves for their misery.

The most absurd but somehow logical occurrence then took place: many men, women and even children living in the USSR, succumbed to Western propaganda. Instead of trying to reform their imperfect but still greatly progressive country, they gave up, became cynical, aggressively ‘disillusioned’, corrupt and naively but staunchly pro-Western.

It was the first and most likely the last time in the history, Russia got defeated by the West. It happened through deceit, through shameless lies, through Western propaganda.
What followed could be easily described as genocide.

The Soviet Union was first lulled into Afghanistan, then it was mortally injured by the war there, by an arms race with the United States, and by the final stage of propaganda that was literally flowing like lava from various hostile Western state-sponsored radio stations. Of course, local ‘dissidents’ also played an important role.

Mikhail Gorbachev
Under Gorbachev, a ‘useful idiot’ of the West, things got extremely bizarre. I don’t believe that he was paid to ruin his own country, but he did almost everything to run it into the ground; precisely what Washington wanted him to do. Then, in front of the entire world, a mighty and proud Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics suddenly shook in agony, then uttered a loud cry, and collapsed; died painfully but swiftly.

A new turbo-capitalist, bandit, pro-oligarch and confusedly pro-Western Russia was born. Russia which was governed by an alcoholic Boris Yeltsin; a man loved and supported by Washington, London and other Western centers of power.

It was a totally unnatural, sick Russia – cynical and compassionless, built with someone else’s ideas – Russia of Radio Liberty and Voice of America, of the BBC, of black marketers, of oligarchs and multi-national corporations.

Is the West now daring to say that Russians are ‘interfering’ in something in Washington? Are they out of their minds?
Washington and other Western capitals did not only ‘interfere’, they openly broke the Soviet Union into pieces and then they began kicking Russia which was at that point half-alive. Is it all forgotten, or is Western public again fully ‘unaware’ of what took place during those dark days?

The West kept spitting at the impoverished and injured country, refused to honor international agreements and treaties. It offered no help. Multi-nationals were unleashed, and began ‘privatizing’ Russian state companies, basically stealing what was built by the sweat and blood of Soviet workers, during long decades.
Interference? Let me repeat: it was direct intervention, invasion, a grab of resources, shameless theft! I want to read and write about it, but we don’t hear much about it, anymore, do we?
Now we are told that Russia is paranoid, that its President is paranoid! With straight face, the West is lying; pretending that it has not been trying to murder Russia.

Those years… Those pro-Western years when Russia became a semi-client state of the West, or call it a semi-colony! There was no mercy, no compassion coming from abroad. Many of those idiots – kitchen intellectuals from Moscow and provinces – suddenly woke up but it was too late. Many of them had suddenly nothing to eat. They got what they were told to ask for: their Western ‘freedom and democracy’, and Western-style capitalism or in summary: total collapse.

I remember well how it was ‘then’. I began returning to Russia, horrified, working in Moscow, Tomsk, Novosibirsk, Leningrad. Academics from Akadem Gorodok outside Novosibirsk were selling their libraries in the bitter cold, in dark metro underpasses of Novosibirsk… Runs on the banks… Old retired people dying from hunger and cold behind massive doors of concrete blocks… unpaid salaries and starving miners, teachers…

Russia under the deadly embrace of the West, for the first and hopefully last time! Russia whose life expectancy suddenly dropped to African Sub-Saharan levels. Russia humiliated, wild, in terrible pain.

But that nightmare did not last long.
And what happened – those short but horrible years under both Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but above all under the Western diktat – will never be forgotten, not forgiven.

Russians know perfectly well what they do not want, anymore!
Russia stood up again. Huge, indignant and determined to live its own life, its own way. From an impoverished, humiliated and robbed nation, subservient to the West, the country evolved and within a few years, the free and independent Russia once again joined ranks of the most developed and powerful countries on Earth.
And as before Gorbachev, Russia is once again able to help those nations which are under unjust and vicious attacks of the Western empire.

A man who is leading this renaissance, President Vladimir Putin, is tough, but Russia is under great threat and so is the world – this is no time for weaklings.

President Putin is not perfect (who is, really?), but he is a true patriot, and I dare say, an internationalist.
Now the West, once again, hates both Russia and its leader. No wonder; undefeated, strong and free Russia is the worst imaginable foe of Washington and its lieutenants.

That’s how the West feels, not Russia. Despite all that was done to it, despite tens of millions of lost and ruined lives, Russia has always been ready to compromise, even to forgive, if not forget.
There is something deeply pathological in the psyche of the West. It cannot accept anything less than full and unconditional submission.

It has to control, to be in charge, and on top of everything; it has to feel exceptional. Even when it murders and ruins the entire Planet, it insists on feeling superior to the rest of the world.
This faith in exceptionalism is the true Western religion, much more than even Christianity, which for decades has not really played any important role there. Exceptionalism is fanatical, it is fundamentalist and unquestionable.

It also insists that its narrative is the only one available anywhere in the World. That the West is seen as a moral leader, as a beacon of progress, as the only competent judge and guru.
Lies are piling on top of lies. As in all religions, the more absurd the pseudo-reality is, the more brutal and extreme are the methods used to uphold it. The more laughable the fabrications are, the more powerful the techniques used to suppress the truth are.

Today, hundreds of thousands of ‘academics’, teachers, journalists, artists, psychologists and other highly paid professionals, in all parts of the world, are employed by the Empire, for two goals only – to glorify the Western narrative and to discredit all that is standing in its way; daring to challenge it.
Russia is the most hated adversary of the West, with China, Russia’s close ally being near second.

The propaganda war unleashed by the West is so insane, so intense, that even some of the European and North American citizens are beginning to question tales coming from Washington, London and elsewhere.

Wherever one turns, there is a tremendous medley of lies, of semi-lies, half-truths; a complex and unnavigable swamp of conspiracy theories. Russia is being attacked for interfering in U.S. domestic affairs, for defending Syria, for standing by defenseless and intimidated nations, for having its own powerful media, for doping its athletes, for still being Communist, for not being socialist anymore;in brief: for everything imaginable and unimaginable.
Criticism of the country is so thorough and ludicrous, that one begins to ask very legitimate questions: “what about the past? What about the Western narrative regarding the Soviet past, particularly the post-Revolutionary period, and the period between two world wars?”

The more I analyze this present-day Western anti-Russian and anti-Chinese propaganda, the more determined I am to study and write about the Western narrative regarding Soviet history. I’m definitely planning to investigate these matters in the future, together with my friends – Russian and Ukrainian historians.
In the eyes of the West, Russians are ‘traitors’.
Instead of joining the looters, they have been standing by the ‘wretched of the world’, in the past, as well as now.They refused to sell their Motherland, and to enslave their own people.

Their government is doing all it can to make Russia self-sufficient, fully independent, prosperous, proud and free.
Remember that ‘freedom’, ‘democracy’ and many other terms, mean totally different things in distinctive parts of the world. What is happening in the West could never be described as ‘freedom’ in Russia or in China, and vice versa.
Frustrated, collapsing, atomized and egotistic societies of Europe and North America do not inspire even their own people, anymore.

They are escaping by millions annually, to Asia, Latin America, and even to Africa. Escaping from emptiness, meaninglessness and emotional cold. But it is not Russia’s or China’s business to tell them how to live or not to live!

In the meantime, great cultures like Russia and China do not need, and do not want to be told by the Westerners, what freedom is, and what democracy is.

They do not attack the West, and expect the same in return.
It is truly embarrassing that the countries responsible for hundreds of genocides, for hundreds of millions of murdered people on all continents, still dare to lecture others.
Many victims are too scared to speak.
Russia is not.It is composed, gracious, but fully determined to defend itself if necessary; itself as well as many other human beings living on this beautiful but deeply scarred Planet.

Russian culture is enormous: from poetry and literature, to music, ballet, philosophy… Russian hearts are soft, they easily melt when approached with love and kindness. But when millions of lives of innocent people are threatened, both the hearts and muscles of Russians quickly turn to stone and steel. During such moments, when only victory could save the world, Russian fists are hard, and the same is true about the Russian armour.
There is no match to Russian courage in the sadistic but cowardly West.

Irreversibly, both hope and future are moving towards the east.
And that is why Russia is desperately hated by the West.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-west-cannot-stomach-russians/5631953
 

Elmer Bud

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The Simple Truth of Vladimir Putin’s Diabolical Plan
https://journal-neo.org/2018/04/27/the-simple-truth-of-vladimir-putin-s-diabolical-plan/

In the New York Times last week, veteran reporter Neil MacFarquhar reminded us Vladimir Putin’s “fight” with the West is isolating Russia. The Middle East expert’s latest Russia hate also interpolated that the woeful isolation is failing to deter Putin. But what is it that Putin is fighting against? What is the so-called “West” trying to deter him from? Better still, where is the evidence of his cunning plan to destroy all?

I do not know why, but to my knowledge, no one has ever asked these simple questions. Here we are in a new and bitter Cold War, and nobody I can name has any reasonable explanation of what the fight is about. There are allegations by the truckload. There’s sanctions, proxy wars, terrorists scattered, CIA money spent, dignitaries tossed out on their ears, and ten thousand news outlets screaming “Putin foul” – but over what? You can’t answer because it’s all over nothing. Here’s a brief history of the real crimes of Vladimir Putin.

In the early 2000s, Vladimir Putin was running a country almost destroyed by corruption, foreign interventions, and pirates bent on privatizing anything of value for western investors. The advance of the globalist doctrine had reached the borders of the country; wars were brewed in former Soviet republics where regime changes and color revolutions were not working. The notorious Russian mob, the Israeli mob, anybody inside the country that could be bought by western pirates was taking a bite from the Russian legacy. Putin stepped in and sorted it out. Putin did not sell Russia out. This was a capital crime.

Later in the decade, Vladimir Putin proposed an initiative known as the “Vladivostok to Lisbon” protocol. The plan was for one gigantic Eurasian market worth tens of trillions of dollars. The plan was for a full and fair integration of Russia within the global context. Only the plan made Russia an integral partner rather than a network of small banana republics like Yugoslavia became. The Putin plan would have assured almost unbreakable cooperation, prosperity, and peace. But the suggestion of such a thing to the existing world order was a heinous crime.

2009 rolls around and the world’s fascination with then Prime Minister Putin grows. The New York Times back then questioned the Russian leader’s work ethic. Western media reported Putin singing “Blueberry Hill” and playing the piano. And the Washington Post begins the rail about “Putin, the killer.” Then in 2010, the heat was turned up. US newspapers began the “huge protest” gambit, Putin the arch criminal became all the rage. The Vladimir Putin legend began to grow during this time. Rumors and speculation became the flavor of the day. Then in 2011, the Russian leader went so far as to criticize the West for the Libya regime change. And we all know how Libya turned out.

Starting in 2012 the mainstream media in the West began predicting the downfall of Vladimir Putin. The Economist titled its prediction. “The beginning of the end of Putin.” So much for deep economic analysis and forecasting. It is in this year that Masha Gessen gets the big headlines for labeling Vladimir a “crime boss” and a homophobe. Meanwhile, the real criminals like Mikhail Khodorkovsky gather steam for the lies and mudslinging to come. NPR and other corporate owned media get readers by labeling Putin a “street thug” and etc. But Putin won the election that year anyhow. And even though The Slate labeled him “Putin the pitiful,” he somehow managed the biggest country in the world skillfully. Pussy Riot defiles a Russian Orthodox Church snagging some jail time, and down the rabbit hole we go.

Then in 2013 the world’s biggest ever arch villain commits the ultimate sacrilege. At the moment then President Barack Obama is gathering his forces to invade Syria, Russia’s leader pecks out a plea to the American people in the New York Times. Then, on the eve of a fateful vote in the US Congress on Obama’s decision to launch strikes against Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, Putin mediates by instigating a proposal for Syria to surrender all chemical weapons. This was too much for the gilded world order; the gloves had to come off. Meanwhile, Obama and his CIA had already created the proxy war against Assad. But the American people were never told. Funny isn’t it, how overt Putin moves are eviler than covert killing by America? But Russia’s leader became the alchemist of truth, look at his words of warning on alleged gas attacks back then:

“We believe that at the very least we should wait for the results of the UN inspection commission in Syria. I’ve already said I find it absolutely ridiculous that [Syrian] government’s armed forces, which today are actually on an offense mission and in some regions have already encircled the so-called rebels and are finishing them off, that the Syrian army has used prohibited chemical weapons.”

Almost a year passed until I first learned of the “hell bent” onslaught on anything attached to Vladimir Putin and Russia when the 2014 Sochi Olympics rolled around. The bristling gay globalists had no intention of letting the Russia people welcome the world to their country. Putin had to pay for his past daring. So, Russia bashing took on a whole new meaning. Bad sportsmanship was also redefined when a people created a showpiece and an unparalleled spectacle, only to be insulted and criticized at every turn. Dog packs, unworking toilets, gay skier hunts, unfinished hotels, an environmental catastrophe once again wrought by our ghastly arch villain. The world order taught Putin a lesson in those days. “Mess with us, and we’ll piss on your parade.” This was the message. Then the Euromaidan and an illegal regime change in the midst of an Olympics forced diabolical Putin’s hand again. Instead of allowing Russia’s most strategic position in the southwest to be taken over by NATO, he instead chose to secure it without firing a shot. Crimea should have been seeded to the global hegemony – but Putin dared to resist. For shame.

Since 2014 Vladimir Putin has been blamed for the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 and without a smidgen of proof. He’s had the gall to ask the world order “Do you even realize what you have done?” And this, before the mighty United Nations and in front of God and everybody else. Our crystal ball at The Economist proclaimed “Putin declares war on the West,” and we believed them. He revealed the United States was backing terrorism in the Middle East, and then he televised his forces destroying ISIS. In 2016 NBC News proclaimed; “US Officials: Putin Personally Involved in US Election Hack.” Amazingly, no pictures of Putin using his laptop to hack the DNC emerged. And the people of the world failed to notice the lack of evidence. For nearly two years now the world has investigated Putin over alleged tampering in the US election. Can you guess what body of evidence has been shown officially or in the media?

Damn that Putin for being so flawless and diabolical a villain! His utter control of every evil deed on planet Earth is being hidden from us. And oh, so skillfully that armies of brilliant private eyes, investigative journalists, whistleblowers, think tanks, the CIA, the NSA, MI6, GCHQ, Mossad, the Pentagon, Naval Intelligence, Senate committees, or even David Copperfield can turn over one leaf of evidence. This, my friends, is Putin’s greatest delinquency against humanity. He is guilty as sin of the real delinquency, the sin of ancient logic. The reason there we cannot see proof of Putin’s misdeeds is stunningly simple.

There is no proof.
https://journal-neo.org/2018/04/27/the-simple-truth-of-vladimir-putin-s-diabolical-plan/
 

gaiusmarius

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love him or hate him, Putin is a skillful leader and his message is always consistent. his knowledge of the subject matter of running Russia is amazing. he can sit there for 4 hours and be bombarded with questions from hundreds of journalists about a huge variety of subjects and he will sit there and rattle off pertinent thoughtful and logical responses to everything and anything he is asked. if nothing else you have to give him his due, he's highly intelligent. his one motive is to make life for Russians better and to make Russia as strong and powerful as he can. as a Russian leader thats his duty. he doesn't flip flop, when he says he will do something, he does it. he also doesn't change his tune depending on audience, like i said hes very consistent.

if you don't believe me, google one of his yearly press briefings from years ago and then look at his most recent one. i can't read his mind, but his message, has been very straightforward, logical and consistent.
 

Illuminate

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in mother Russia, burger eat you





I really hope we dont go to war with our comrades in the east...just the RU youtube vids are enough propaganda to make me not want to wage guerilla war on them if they did invade.
 

Illuminate

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^^ hmmmm...the UK store and manufacture chemical weapons at porton down..not far from the attack.

Also testing said weapons on the local population in the olden days..creating lots of birth defects etc.
 

gaiusmarius

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yeah war with Russia would be a bummer, the whole world would be drawn in and most likely the Russians would rather destroy the whole world, then let them selves be defeated.
 

Illuminate

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^^i think the ufo phenomenon is us coming back from the future to stop the war that made us epigenetic drift into little greay men looking fuckers. Cutting up cows to grow burger for the underground future us.
 

Mikell

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All nations seeking power are guilty of crimes against humanity.

To believe that article is to believe in fairy tales. Look at the birth of Tsarist Russia. It was not done with olive branches, nor was the Revolution. They broke the Mongol yoke and expanded their territory a hundred fold by war.

The consolidation of China, Japan, of any large territory under one flag. All built with blood.

As for this make believe socialist paradise, one has to only look at what those in power eat compared to those that produced it ate. The many always feed the few, whether a monarchy, democracy or what have you.

Lenin driving a Rolls Royce sums up the true nature of that "peoples revolution".
 

gaiusmarius

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we should also remember that communism ended up killing even more then the 25 million the Russians lost to defeat the nazis. due to bad centralized communist policies there was mass starvation in a country with rich soil, its a long story but they literally made bad decision after bad decision and ended up killing a huge amount of their own citizens.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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I always like to hear opposing sides to any story, but think about it. Who wrote the history books that we read in school/college/Uni or where ever?

Was that history 'massaged'....or complete and utter one-sided lies, to make one side look bad, and the other side to look good? That may depend on where your educational institution was located - in what country....no?

We can research Putin via the internet, as we can Assad, Trump, Netanyoohoo or whomever and kinda evaluated if they appear as hucksters, flim-flam men, snake oil salesmen etc.

To me Putin comes across as a seriously intelligent and sincere alpha male, the sort of leader most westerners would fall over each other at the voting booth to vote for.

....and the west knows this, and knows that they can't fool him, and also knows that you can't expect to fuck with the Russian bear and walk away un-scathed, or walk away at all.
 

kickarse

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Russia is certainly in better shape then England, the pollies have done a wonderful
job of destroying that place, just like they are destroying Australia, (Fabian $%#^s)
aren't social democracy's great.
nothing wrong with the Russian people, their just slaves like the rest of us.


f$ck all government's, none give two flying forex's for their people


bring on the revolution lol lol yeah right, its not gunna happen
 

Mikell

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I admire Putin for where he came from and where he ended up.

I own a variety of Russian literature from Chekov to Solzhenitsyn, including a Harvard textbook published pre-Revolution. I am not college educated and am certainly not an authority on the subject, but it has interested me since I read (and barely understood) War and Peace as a child.

Whatever stories have been embelished by the West, one sees the same on RT. Vilify your enemy. But power in Russia has always come from a central authority that has in five centuries shown no tendency to spare the whip.
 

armedoldhippy

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Putins only goal is stay in power until death, and hopefully pick his successor. Trump is SO jealous, our constitution does not allow him that option, nor will the voters. never defeated? ask the Soviet soldiers about Afghanistan, LOL! their burned-out tanks & shot down helicopters still litter the landscape. the US is doing no better in that ambition crushing stretch of mountains. if the Afghan people WANT democracy, they need to fight for it themselves. they do not need us in there trying to prop up an unpopular system that will collapse after we leave. Russia never invades? try telling that to every single eastern European country that they once dominated. there is a reason that most of their former "friends" want to join Nato. the Czechs & Poles could tell you enough to put the mark of the liar on that horseshit... jmho
 

Gry

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Almost reluctant to say this, but there were a of WWII vets that had nothing but positive to say about their former allies.
 

gaiusmarius

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agree about Putin, any country would be happy to have such a leader. from taking over a country about to go bankrupt and considering giving up it's nukes for safe keeping due to no money, to a country that has vastly improved the standard of living of the vast majority of Russians, at the same time they turned their military from a useless corrupt dilapidated organisation to one that can again show some pride in it's self and actually do an efficient job when called on. he turned the Chechen war around. pensions have been greatly increased, even the population decrease Russia was suffering from has been reversed, same with the lower life expectancy trend. to even now, during a period of sanctions and low oil prices the Russian economy has grown at something like 3% this year. basically Putin has done wonders for his nation and some of it against very steep odds. i just don't think they were better off under communism. although when you have a really intelligent leader who is not constrained you tend to get periods of great progress, the trouble is for every good leader you get 3 bad ones and thats when systems of ultimate power tend to fall down. what happens to Russia's progress after Putin? if an idiot gets the job, he can destroy everything that was achieved in 15 years of slow work in 5 minutes flat. while a more constrained system of government will slow down the harm that can be done when an idiot gets voted in, but it also constrains the occasional good man when he gets in to office. quite a dilemma really.
 

St. Phatty

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I suggest reading Dmitry Orlov

http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/

He's a Russian guy who lived in the USSR when it was collapsing, then moved to the US.

Lived on a sailboat in Mass. near Boston, worked as a programmer.

Good writer. Great dark sense of humor.

Also,
http://rt.com/

Russia Today.

Especially the comments section.

I noticed last year when about 100 websites got called out by US mainstream media, something they ALL had in common - they all linked to RT articles.

I think part of the game plan for TPTB in the US is, to keep the masses away from the RT comments section. To prevent Facebook from ever allowing similar honesty, etc.
 
X

xavier7995

All nations seeking power are guilty of crimes against humanity.

To believe that article is to believe in fairy tales. Look at the birth of Tsarist Russia. It was not done with olive branches, nor was the Revolution. They broke the Mongol yoke and expanded their territory a hundred fold by war.

The consolidation of China, Japan, of any large territory under one flag. All built with blood.

As for this make believe socialist paradise, one has to only look at what those in power eat compared to those that produced it ate. The many always feed the few, whether a monarchy, democracy or what have you.

Lenin driving a Rolls Royce sums up the true nature of that "peoples revolution".

My man!

My parents were commies. When i was 3 my dad got a gig to go teach the chinese about communism, this was back in the early 80s, we lived in china for about a year and spent a few months in russia.

When we returned their view of communism as actually practiced in the real world rather than an abstract idea was quite a bit different than going in. It was just another form of government that oppressed and exploited the population for the gain of the ruling class. We lived well and had everything handed to us while the vast majority lived in poor squalor. As an idea i back socialism and communism, but in practice it is impossible to keep greed and corruption out. There would need to be a radical shift in the consciousness of entire nations for it to work.
 

St. Phatty

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Waiting for Peak Prosperity to approve my application.

Saw this about Russia -

"Money printing depends on people believing that the money has value. At the moment most people really don't understand how money works. They think it will be worth something in the future so they accept it. Certainly the US is the best horse in the glue factory right now but it probably won't stay that way. Our military's main function is to keep dissent in line and maintain the strength of the dollar.

We want to destroy Russia because they have a fundamentally healthy economic system that poses an alternative to us. They have almost no debt, lots of natural resources, very intelligent people and a strong enough military to defend it all. Unlike China, their population is a reasonable size for their resources."

source, some guy named Rich Cabot.
 

Gry

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ZG6tRGMYk

They crossed over the border, the hour before dawn
Moving in lines through the day
Most of our planes were destroyed on the ground where they lay
Waiting for orders we held in the wood
Word from the front never came
By evening the sound of the gunfire was miles away
Ah, softly we move through the shadows, slip away through the trees
Crossing their lines in the mists in the fields on our hands and on our knees
And all that I ever
Was able to see
The fire in the air glowing red
Silhouetting the smoke on the breeze
All summer they drove us back through the Ukraine
Smolensk and Viasma soon fell
By autumn we stood with our backs to the town of Orel
Closer and closer to Moscow they come
Riding the wind like a bell
General Guderian stands at the crest of the hill
Winter brought with her the rains, oceans of mud filled the roads
Gluing the tracks of their tanks to the ground while the sky filled with snow
And all that I ever
Was able to see
The fire in the air glowing red
Silhouetting the snow on the breeze
In the footsteps of Napoleon the shadow figures stagger through the winter
Falling back before the gates of Moscow, standing in the wings like an avenger
And far away behind their lines the partisans are stirring in the forest
Coming unexpectedly upon their outposts, growing like a promise
You'll never know, you'll never know which way to turn, which way to look you'll never see us
As we're stealing through the blackness of the night
You'll never know, you'll never hear us
And the evening sings in a voice of amber, the dawn is surely coming
The morning roads lead to Stalingrad, and the sky is softly humming
Two broken Tigers on fire in the night
Flicker their souls to the wind
We wait in the lines for the final approach to begin
It's been almost four years that I've carried a gun
At home it will almost be spring
The flames of the Tigers are lighting the road to Berlin
Ah, quickly we move through the ruins that bow to the ground
The old men and children they send out to face us, they can't slow us down
And all that I ever
Was able to see
The eyes of the city are opening
Now it's the end of the dream
I'm coming home, I'm coming home, now you can taste it in the wind, the war is over
And I listen to the clicking of the train-wheels as we roll across the border
And now they ask me of the time that I was caught behind their lines and taken prisoner
"They only held me for a day, a lucky break, " I say they turn and listen closer
I'll never know, I'll never know why I was taken from the line and all the others
To board a special train and journey deep into the heart of holy Russia
And it's cold and damp in the transit camp, and the air is still and sullen
And the pale sun of October whispers the snow will soon be coming
And I wonder when I'll be home again and the morning answers "Never"
And the evening sighs, and the steely Russian skies go on forever

Alistair Ian Stewart
 
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