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And yet racism -does- still exist; systemically and individually. And it always has a price to be paid by someone.
And yet racism -does- still exist; systemically and individually. And it always has a price to be paid by someone.
I'm not denying that racism exists , and it will continue to exist since the majority of the human race is tribal of nature, and everyone wants to root for their own family/religion/tribe/team/nation/gang/corporation/military/colour, and many build themselves up by putting others down.
But when you are accused of being a racist for telling the truth about a certain totalitarian ideology that people of all colours might believe in, and it has infiltrated your town en-masse and the results are far from good, then all it is about is some local UK fella finding a way to protest against what he see's as a cultural/religious invasion by making others aware of it.....there is no racial issue here.
Robinson is protesting against the Islamification of Britain, and all the bad things that come with it, not the colour or race of those that might be islamic, since people of many different ethnic persuasions are muslims/islamic.
So being that you are in the UK, i have to ask. Is their really a serious problem with grooming, and rape? In the U.S. we never hear about it. When you do they claim it's NAZI'S going after poor defenseless Muslims. I have never seen it on my local news. I have pretty much given up on any cable news.
i get why Tommy does what he does, but i think he is missing quite a bit. in the end you have criminals in every group of people, sadly that includes pedophiles and rapists. that doesn't exactly equate to that whole group being all about doing those crimes.
put it like this, in Yemen for example they have taken child rapists back to the scene of the crime and executed them on the spot with the whole crowd cheering. so trying to say that child rape is a muslim problem is where i disagree with Tommy. it's a human problem and all evidence points to many rich elite fucks doing the same thing with kids. in fact statistic show that it's a huge problem all over the world. look at Thailand for example, they have a huge issue with under age prostitution, or go to Africa, same thing. in India you have the same thing going on, even gang rapes of kids. whether it's Catholic, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims or Christians, they all have adults who want to abuse kids sexually.
You're thinking too much, gauis. When trying to vilify an entire people you need to keep things simple.
This supposed invasion of the UK (and elsewhere across Europe and the world) is a movement of people from economically distressed areas to economically strong areas, where conflict and war push them faster. It is not only people from the Middle East and Africa but Eastern Europe as well. How many Poles are in the UK?
If you want to address the issue you need to look at why they are moving, a problem that originates at the destination.
It will only get worse as climate change and agricultural production issues increase.
Look at Italy. A new populist government to lead the people out of the dark, yes?
But the root cause? Half of Italy is an economic deadzone. Not something you see on the polarized posts of social media.
"Grooming gangs abused more than 700 women and girls around Newcastle with “arrogant persistence” after police appeared to punish victims while letting the perpetrators walk free, a case review has found."
The police and govt. officials allowed this to happen. The British govt. created the situation. And then when the truth comes out they make it a crime to talk about it. That is by definition a totalitarian govt.
Yeah, so these atrocious sort of crimes happen in most all societies and much of it seems to be linked to religions of one sort or another, maybe because some of the 'Prophet's' they look up to who they try to emulate get married to 6 year olds and start sexual relations with them then, so all the 'faithfull' who are trying to follow in the steps of the prophet think its OK to be a pedo? Is this the cost of allowing people to practice their religion - the end result being the sexual use and abuse of our loved ones? So many reports of inappropriate behavior in the Catholic church too, which slowly seep out of the news.
Are we wise to be importing it, when it looks like we have plenty to deal with already?.....
I understand what you are saying, all religions come with their bag and baggage..
''Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236''
''Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old.
Sunan Abu Dawud 2116 (Ahmad Hasan Ref)
''Narrated `Aisha: (the wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents following Islam since I attained the age of puberty. Not a day passed but the Prophet (ﷺ) visited us, both in the mornings and evenings.
Thus ‘Aisha was either not very old or not born yet when her parents became Muslims. This is consistent with her being a child when her marriage with Muhammad was consummated.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_...ha#Aisha.27s_Age_at_Consummation_and_Marriage
i'm no expert on this issue, but i do know there are differing opinions on her age at marriage. this guy will explain it better then i ever could, but the historic calculations seems to indicate she was around 18.
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Hmmm...I was just trying to find a reason why these types of 'grooming gangs' that seem to zero in on young girls are predominately islamic of culture/religion, and their victims are usually white girls ...it does pose the question as to how they got that way, and is that type of behavior accepted within their own societies because I don't hear of any muslim girls getting similar treatment?
The victim is nearly always a white female....
Writing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, the Orientalist scholar W Montgomery Watt wrote: "Of all the world's great men, none has been so much maligned as Muhammad." His quote seems all the more poignant in light of the Islamophobic film Innocence of Muslims, which has sparked riots from Yemen to Libya and which, among other slanders, depicts Muhammad as a paedophile.
This claim is a recurring one among critics of Islam, so its foundation deserves close scrutiny.
Critics allege that Aisha was just six years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad, himself in his 50s, and only nine when the marriage was consummated. They base this on a saying attributed to Aisha herself (Sahih Bukhari volume 5, book 58, number 234), and the debate on this issue is further complicated by the fact that some Muslims believe this to be a historically accurate account. Although most Muslims would not consider marrying off their nine-year-old daughters, those who accept this saying argue that since the Qur'an states that marriage is void unless entered into by consenting adults, Aisha must have entered puberty early.
They point out that, in seventh-century Arabia, adulthood was defined as the onset of puberty. (This much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême.) Interestingly, of the many criticisms of Muhammad made at the time by his opponents, none focused on Aisha's age at marriage.
According to this perspective, Aisha may have been young, but she was not younger than was the norm at the time. Other Muslims doubt the very idea that Aisha was six at the time of marriage, referring to historians who have questioned the reliability of Aisha's age as given in the saying. In a society without a birth registry and where people did not celebrate birthdays, most people estimated their own age and that of others. Aisha would have been no different. What's more, Aisha had already been engaged to someone else before she married Muhammad, suggesting she had already been mature enough by the standards of her society to consider marriage for a while. It seems difficult to reconcile this with her being six.
In addition, some modern Muslim scholars have more recently cast doubt on the veracity of the saying, or hadith, used to assert Aisha's young age. In Islam, the hadith literature (sayings of the prophet) is considered secondary to the Qur'an. While the Qur'an is considered to be the verbatim word of God, the hadiths were transmitted over time through a rigorous but not infallible methodology. Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha's age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.
Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was. What we do know is what the Qur'an says about marriage: that it is valid only between consenting adults, and that a woman has the right to choose her own spouse. As the living embodiment of Islam, Muhammad's actions reflect the Qur'an's teachings on marriage, even if the actions of some Muslim regimes and individuals do not.
Sadly, in many countries, the imperatives motivating the marriage of young girls are typically economic. In others, they are political. The fact that Iran and Saudi Arabia have both sought to use the saying concerning Aisha's age as a justification for lowering the legal age of marriage tells us a great deal about the patriarchal and oppressive nature of those regimes, and nothing about Muhammad, or the essential nature of Islam. The stridency of those who lend credence to these literalist interpretations by concurring with their warped view of Islam does not help those Muslims who seek to challenge these aberrations.
The Islamophobic depiction of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha as motivated by misplaced desire fits within a broader Orientalist depiction of Muhammad as a philanderer. This idea dates back to the crusades. According to the academic Kecia Ali: "Accusations of lust and sensuality were a regular feature of medieval attacks on the prophet's character and, by extension, on the authenticity of Islam."
Since the early Christians heralded Christ as a model of celibate virtue, Muhammad – who had married several times – was deemed to be driven by sinful lust. This portrayal ignored the fact that before his marriage to Aisha, Muhammad had been married to Khadija, a powerful businesswoman 15 years his senior, for 25 years. When she died, he was devastated and friends encouraged him to remarry. A female acquaintance suggested Aisha, a bright and vivacious character.
Aisha's union would also have cemented Muhammad's longstanding friendship with her father, Abu Bakr. As was the tradition in Arabia (and still is in some parts of the world today), marriage typically served a social and political function – a way of uniting tribes, resolving feuds, caring for widows and orphans, and generally strengthening bonds in a highly unstable and changing political environment. Of the women Muhammad married, the majority were widows. To consider the marriages of the prophet outside of these calculations is profoundly ahistorical.
What the records are clear on is that Muhammad and Aisha had a loving and egalitarian relationship, which set the standard for reciprocity, tenderness and respect enjoined by the Qur'an. Insights into their relationship, such as the fact they liked to drink out of the same cup or race one another, are indicative of a deep connection which belies any misrepresentation of their relationship.
To paint Aisha as a victim is completely at odds with her persona. She was certainly no wallflower. During a controversial battle in Muslim history, she emerged riding a camel to lead the troops. She was known for her assertive temperament and mischievous sense of humour – with Muhammad sometimes bearing the brunt of the jokes. During his lifetime, he established her authority by telling Muslims to consult her in his absence; after his death, she went to be become one of the most prolific and distinguished scholars of her time.
A stateswoman, scholar, mufti, and judge, Aisha combined spirituality, activism and knowledge and remains a role model for many Muslim women today. The gulf between her true legacy and her depiction in Islamophobic materials is not merely historically inaccurate, it is an insult to the memory of a pioneering woman.
Those who manipulate her story to justify the abuse of young girls, and those who manipulate it in order to depict Islam as a religion that legitimises such abuse have more in common than they think. Both demonstrate a disregard for what we know about the times in which Muhammad lived, and for the affirmation of female autonomy which her story illustrates.