Why the West cannot stomach RUSSIA!

armedoldhippy said:

Putins only goal is stay in power until death, and hopefully pick his successor. Trump is SO jealous, our constitution does not allow him that option, nor will the voters. never defeated? ask the Soviet soldiers about Afghanistan, LOL! their burned-out tanks & shot down helicopters still litter the landscape. the US is doing no better in that ambition crushing stretch of mountains. if the Afghan people WANT democracy, they need to fight for it themselves. they do not need us in there trying to prop up an unpopular system that will collapse after we leave. Russia never invades? try telling that to every single eastern European country that they once dominated. there is a reason that most of their former "friends" want to join Nato. the Czechs & Poles could tell you enough to put the mark of the liar on that horseshit... jmho

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coldcanna said:

So confused these days. For decades America fought wars to limit Soviet expansion. Hippies protested against it. Hippies hated Raegan. Hippies longed for communism. Now for the first time ever the hippies have beef with Russia...? Remember when Obama said to Mitt Romney "the 80's want their foreign policy back". Remember when Russia invaded Crimea and east Ukraine, and also allegedly posted fake facebook info in the election under O's watch while he did nothing? Since when has the hippy posse ever given a shit about Russia until they lost an election? Its called selective outrage...

Very similar to a hippy type smoking a joint grown under hps lights soaking up kilowatts while drinking a craft beer that takes 7 gallons of water to brew 1 gallon of beer, while eating some guacamole made from avocados grown 3000 miles away and shipped on deisel boats preaching about "climate deniers". Jeez. Can anybody objectively apply standards anymore or has everyone fallen into tribalist war where team wins are more important than the success of truth ?

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coldcanna said:

So confused these days. For decades America fought wars to limit Soviet expansion. Hippies protested against it. Hippies hated Raegan. Hippies longed for communism. Now for the first time ever the hippies have beef with Russia...? Remember when Obama said to Mitt Romney "the 80's want their foreign policy back". Remember when Russia invaded Crimea and east Ukraine, and also allegedly posted fake facebook info in the election under O's watch while he did nothing? Since when has the hippy posse ever given a shit about Russia until they lost an election? Its called selective outrage...

Very similar to a hippy type smoking a joint grown under hps lights soaking up kilowatts while drinking a craft beer that takes 7 gallons of water to brew 1 gallon of beer, while eating some guacamole made from avocados grown 3000 miles away and shipped on deisel boats preaching about "climate deniers". Jeez. Can anybody objectively apply standards anymore or has everyone fallen into tribalist war where team wins are more important than the success of truth ?

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Gypsy Nirvana said:

I came across this article on another site about Russia, and found myself agreeing with much of what is said within it, so I thought that I would share it with ya'll and see what the response might be.

By Andre Vltchek
Global Research, March 13, 2018

When it comes to Russia or the Soviet Union, reports and historical accounts do get blurry; in the West they do, and consequently in all of its ‘client states’.

Fairy tales get intermingled with reality, while fabrications are masterfully injected into sub consciousness of billions of people worldwide. Russia is an enormous country, in fact the largest country on Earth in terms of territory. It is scarcely inhabited. It is deep, and as a classic once wrote:
“It is impossible to understand Russia with one’s brain. One could only believe in it.”

The Western mind generally doesn’t like things unknown, spiritual and complex. Since the ‘old days’, especially since the crusades and monstrous colonialist expeditions to all corners of the world, the Westerners were told fables about their own “noble deeds”performed in the plundered lands. Everything had to be clear and simple:

“Virtuous Europeans were civilizing savages and spreading Christianity, therefore, in fact, saving those dark poor primitive souls.”

Of course, tens of millions were dying in the process, while further tens of millions were shackled and brought to the “New World” as slaves. Gold, silver, and other loot, as well as slave labor had been (and still are) paying for all those European palaces, railroads, universities and theatres, but that did not matter, as the bloodshed was most of the time something abstract and far away from those over-sensitive eyes of the Western public.

Westerners like simplicity, particularly when it comes to moral definitions of “good and evil”. It matters nothing if the truth gets systematically ‘massaged’, or even if the reality is fully fabricated. What matters is that there is no deep guilt and no soul-searching. Western rulers and their opinion makers know their people – their ‘subjects’ – perfectly well, and most of the time, they give them what they are asking for. The rulers and the reigned are generally living in symbiosis. They keep bitching about each other, but mostly they have similar goals: to live well, to live extremely well, as long as the others are forced to pay for it; with their riches, with their labor and often with their blood.

Culturally, most of the citizens of Europe and North America hate to pay the bill for their highlife; they even detest to admit that their life is extremely ‘high’. They like to feel like victims. They like to feel that they are ‘used’. They like to imagine that they are sacrificing themselves for the rest of the world.
And above all, they hate real victims: those they have been murdering, raping, plundering and insulting, for decades and centuries.

Recent ‘refugee crises’ showed the spite Europeans feel for their prey. People who made them rich and who lost everything in the process are humiliated, despised and insulted. Be they Afghans or Africans, the Middle Easterners or South Asians. Or Russians, although Russians are falling to its own, unique category.
Many Russians look white. Most of them eat with knife and fork, they drink alcohol, excel at Western classical music, poetry, literature, science and philosophy.

To Western eyes they look ‘normal’, but actually, they are not.
Russians always want ‘something else’; they refuse to play by Western rules.
They are stubbornly demanding to remain different, and to be left alone.

When confronted, when attacked, they fight.
They rarely strike first, almost never invade.

But when threatened, when assaulted, they fight with tremendous determination and force, and they never lose. Villages and cities get converted into invader’s graves. Millions die while defending their Motherland, but the country survives. And it happens again and again and again, as the Western hordes have been, for centuries, assaulting and burning Russian lands, never learning the lesson and never giving up on their sinister dream of conquering and controlling that proud and determined colossus.
In the West, they don’t like those who defend themselves, who fight against them, and especially those who win
It gets much worse than that.

Russia has this terrible habit… not only it defends itself and its people, but it also fights for the others, protecting colonized and pillaged nations, as well as those that are unjustly assaulted.
It saved the world from Nazism. It did it at a horrific price of 25 million men, women and children, but it did it; courageously, proudly and altruistically. The West never forgave the Soviet Union for this epic victory either, because all that is unselfish and self-sacrificing, is always in direct conflict with its own principles, and therefore ‘extremely dangerous’.

The Russian people had risen; had fought and won in the 1917 Revolution; an event which terrified the West more than anything else in history, as it had attempted to create a fully egalitarian, classless and racially color-blind society. It also gave birth to Internationalism, an occurrence that I recently described in my book The Great October Socialist Revolution: Impact on the World and the Birth of Internationalism.

Soviet Internationalism, right after the victory in WWII, helped greatly, directly and indirectly, dozens of countries on all continents, to stand up and to confront the European colonialism and the North American imperialism. The West and especially Europe never forgave the Soviet people in general and Russians in particular, for helping to liberate its slaves.

That is when the greatest wave of propaganda in human history really began to roll. From London to New York, from Paris to Toronto, an elaborate web of anti-Soviet and covertly anti-Russian hysteria was unleashed with monstrously destructive force. Tens of thousands of ‘journalists’, intelligence officers, psychologists, historians, as well as academics, were employed. Nothing Soviet, nothing Russian (except those glorified and often ‘manufactured’ Russian dissidents) was spared.

The excesses of the Great October Socialist Revolution and the pre-WWII era were systematically fabricated, exaggerated, and then engraved into the Western history textbooks and mass media narrative. In those tales, there was nothing about the vicious invasions and attacks coming from the West, aimed at destroying young Bolshevik state. Naturally, there was no space for mentioning the British, French, U.S., Czech, Polish, Japanese, German and other’s monstrous cruelties.
Soviet and Russian views were hardly ever allowed to penetrate the monolithic and one-sided Western propaganda narrative.

Like obedient sheep, the Western public accepted the disinformation it was fed with. Eventually, many people living in the Western colonies and ‘client states’, did the same. A great number of colonized people were taught how to blame themselves for their misery.

The most absurd but somehow logical occurrence then took place: many men, women and even children living in the USSR, succumbed to Western propaganda. Instead of trying to reform their imperfect but still greatly progressive country, they gave up, became cynical, aggressively ‘disillusioned’, corrupt and naively but staunchly pro-Western.

It was the first and most likely the last time in the history, Russia got defeated by the West. It happened through deceit, through shameless lies, through Western propaganda.
What followed could be easily described as genocide.

The Soviet Union was first lulled into Afghanistan, then it was mortally injured by the war there, by an arms race with the United States, and by the final stage of propaganda that was literally flowing like lava from various hostile Western state-sponsored radio stations. Of course, local ‘dissidents’ also played an important role.

Mikhail Gorbachev
Under Gorbachev, a ‘useful idiot’ of the West, things got extremely bizarre. I don’t believe that he was paid to ruin his own country, but he did almost everything to run it into the ground; precisely what Washington wanted him to do. Then, in front of the entire world, a mighty and proud Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics suddenly shook in agony, then uttered a loud cry, and collapsed; died painfully but swiftly.

A new turbo-capitalist, bandit, pro-oligarch and confusedly pro-Western Russia was born. Russia which was governed by an alcoholic Boris Yeltsin; a man loved and supported by Washington, London and other Western centers of power.

It was a totally unnatural, sick Russia – cynical and compassionless, built with someone else’s ideas – Russia of Radio Liberty and Voice of America, of the BBC, of black marketers, of oligarchs and multi-national corporations.

Is the West now daring to say that Russians are ‘interfering’ in something in Washington? Are they out of their minds?
Washington and other Western capitals did not only ‘interfere’, they openly broke the Soviet Union into pieces and then they began kicking Russia which was at that point half-alive. Is it all forgotten, or is Western public again fully ‘unaware’ of what took place during those dark days?

The West kept spitting at the impoverished and injured country, refused to honor international agreements and treaties. It offered no help. Multi-nationals were unleashed, and began ‘privatizing’ Russian state companies, basically stealing what was built by the sweat and blood of Soviet workers, during long decades.
Interference? Let me repeat: it was direct intervention, invasion, a grab of resources, shameless theft! I want to read and write about it, but we don’t hear much about it, anymore, do we?
Now we are told that Russia is paranoid, that its President is paranoid! With straight face, the West is lying; pretending that it has not been trying to murder Russia.

Those years… Those pro-Western years when Russia became a semi-client state of the West, or call it a semi-colony! There was no mercy, no compassion coming from abroad. Many of those idiots – kitchen intellectuals from Moscow and provinces – suddenly woke up but it was too late. Many of them had suddenly nothing to eat. They got what they were told to ask for: their Western ‘freedom and democracy’, and Western-style capitalism or in summary: total collapse.

I remember well how it was ‘then’. I began returning to Russia, horrified, working in Moscow, Tomsk, Novosibirsk, Leningrad. Academics from Akadem Gorodok outside Novosibirsk were selling their libraries in the bitter cold, in dark metro underpasses of Novosibirsk… Runs on the banks… Old retired people dying from hunger and cold behind massive doors of concrete blocks… unpaid salaries and starving miners, teachers…

Russia under the deadly embrace of the West, for the first and hopefully last time! Russia whose life expectancy suddenly dropped to African Sub-Saharan levels. Russia humiliated, wild, in terrible pain.

But that nightmare did not last long.
And what happened – those short but horrible years under both Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but above all under the Western diktat – will never be forgotten, not forgiven.

Russians know perfectly well what they do not want, anymore!
Russia stood up again. Huge, indignant and determined to live its own life, its own way. From an impoverished, humiliated and robbed nation, subservient to the West, the country evolved and within a few years, the free and independent Russia once again joined ranks of the most developed and powerful countries on Earth.
And as before Gorbachev, Russia is once again able to help those nations which are under unjust and vicious attacks of the Western empire.

A man who is leading this renaissance, President Vladimir Putin, is tough, but Russia is under great threat and so is the world – this is no time for weaklings.

President Putin is not perfect (who is, really?), but he is a true patriot, and I dare say, an internationalist.
Now the West, once again, hates both Russia and its leader. No wonder; undefeated, strong and free Russia is the worst imaginable foe of Washington and its lieutenants.

That’s how the West feels, not Russia. Despite all that was done to it, despite tens of millions of lost and ruined lives, Russia has always been ready to compromise, even to forgive, if not forget.
There is something deeply pathological in the psyche of the West. It cannot accept anything less than full and unconditional submission.

It has to control, to be in charge, and on top of everything; it has to feel exceptional. Even when it murders and ruins the entire Planet, it insists on feeling superior to the rest of the world.
This faith in exceptionalism is the true Western religion, much more than even Christianity, which for decades has not really played any important role there. Exceptionalism is fanatical, it is fundamentalist and unquestionable.

It also insists that its narrative is the only one available anywhere in the World. That the West is seen as a moral leader, as a beacon of progress, as the only competent judge and guru.
Lies are piling on top of lies. As in all religions, the more absurd the pseudo-reality is, the more brutal and extreme are the methods used to uphold it. The more laughable the fabrications are, the more powerful the techniques used to suppress the truth are.

Today, hundreds of thousands of ‘academics’, teachers, journalists, artists, psychologists and other highly paid professionals, in all parts of the world, are employed by the Empire, for two goals only – to glorify the Western narrative and to discredit all that is standing in its way; daring to challenge it.
Russia is the most hated adversary of the West, with China, Russia’s close ally being near second.

The propaganda war unleashed by the West is so insane, so intense, that even some of the European and North American citizens are beginning to question tales coming from Washington, London and elsewhere.

Wherever one turns, there is a tremendous medley of lies, of semi-lies, half-truths; a complex and unnavigable swamp of conspiracy theories. Russia is being attacked for interfering in U.S. domestic affairs, for defending Syria, for standing by defenseless and intimidated nations, for having its own powerful media, for doping its athletes, for still being Communist, for not being socialist anymore;in brief: for everything imaginable and unimaginable.
Criticism of the country is so thorough and ludicrous, that one begins to ask very legitimate questions: “what about the past? What about the Western narrative regarding the Soviet past, particularly the post-Revolutionary period, and the period between two world wars?”

The more I analyze this present-day Western anti-Russian and anti-Chinese propaganda, the more determined I am to study and write about the Western narrative regarding Soviet history. I’m definitely planning to investigate these matters in the future, together with my friends – Russian and Ukrainian historians.
In the eyes of the West, Russians are ‘traitors’.
Instead of joining the looters, they have been standing by the ‘wretched of the world’, in the past, as well as now.They refused to sell their Motherland, and to enslave their own people.

Their government is doing all it can to make Russia self-sufficient, fully independent, prosperous, proud and free.
Remember that ‘freedom’, ‘democracy’ and many other terms, mean totally different things in distinctive parts of the world. What is happening in the West could never be described as ‘freedom’ in Russia or in China, and vice versa.
Frustrated, collapsing, atomized and egotistic societies of Europe and North America do not inspire even their own people, anymore.

They are escaping by millions annually, to Asia, Latin America, and even to Africa. Escaping from emptiness, meaninglessness and emotional cold. But it is not Russia’s or China’s business to tell them how to live or not to live!

In the meantime, great cultures like Russia and China do not need, and do not want to be told by the Westerners, what freedom is, and what democracy is.

They do not attack the West, and expect the same in return.
It is truly embarrassing that the countries responsible for hundreds of genocides, for hundreds of millions of murdered people on all continents, still dare to lecture others.
Many victims are too scared to speak.
Russia is not.It is composed, gracious, but fully determined to defend itself if necessary; itself as well as many other human beings living on this beautiful but deeply scarred Planet.

Russian culture is enormous: from poetry and literature, to music, ballet, philosophy… Russian hearts are soft, they easily melt when approached with love and kindness. But when millions of lives of innocent people are threatened, both the hearts and muscles of Russians quickly turn to stone and steel. During such moments, when only victory could save the world, Russian fists are hard, and the same is true about the Russian armour.
There is no match to Russian courage in the sadistic but cowardly West.

Irreversibly, both hope and future are moving towards the east.
And that is why Russia is desperately hated by the West.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-west-cannot-stomach-russians/5631953

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sdd420 said:

Sorry that’s just Russian propaganda

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Gry said:

The us is at odds with russia for 2 different reasons. One of the being merely that they represented any alternative to capitalism at all. The second being that they broke the back of the third Reich, which had in fact been financed by a group of wealthy Americans.

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ubique13 said:

The notion that the Cold War was about some metaphysical battle over the righteousness of Capitalism is a hagiographic fabrication. There are far more reasons than economic policy, and lingering resentments from World War II, which continue to fuel the Kremlin's hostility towards the United States.

There's also something incredibly suspicious about the way that suddenly, as if the stars had aligned, American Evangelicals, ultra-Orthodox Jews, and the Eastern Orthodox Church are all politically oriented in a manner which is arguably about bringing forth the Armageddon.

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Gry said:

The us is at odds with russia for 2 different reasons. One of the being merely that they represented any alternative to capitalism at all. The second being that they broke the back of the third Reich, which had in fact been financed by a group of wealthy Americans.

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Gry said:

You are referring to " the Kremlin's hostility towards the United States."
I was referring to why the US feels as it does towards Russia.
I become suspicious myself when I see the basic being painted as other than that.

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Satyros said:

Somewhat true, although this Reich was also an alternative to capitalism, having disposed of central bank money, and used their own state based cash to do it. Pretty much everyone gets bombed for this...U. S. in 1812 up to the things happening today.


Supplied by U. S. industry might describe the relationship better, although the Soviets were similarly supplied. Remington Arms made an 11-acre campus around Philadelphia for the sole purpose of rifles for Soviets. The warehouse just for paperwork was two acres.


I am not sure about the entire West, but U. S.--Russia were pretty good friends for a while. Looking at the 1776 era, I find an attempted bloc of France--Austria--Russia--plus American colonies or would-be states, which attempted to thwart international finance. It didn't work out, and the plots all smell British, interfering with the French revolution, inspiring the Bolsheviks, undermining the U. S. with Fabianism, attempting to play the Great Game and circle Russia, constricting her resources and preventing allies, so they could dominate central Asia.


Queen Victoria and Tsar Nicholas II were madly in love and would have married, except their parents wouldn't allow it. Sometimes the Royals don't come across quite as badly as the private sector.


Even around 1980, when the U. S. seemed to get aggressive against terrorism, this was mostly caused by an Englishman, one called Brian whose last name I forget. He really got the American war hawks going about the mujahideen.



I personally can't stomach the 649th regurgitation of the British Empire, or whatever stage we're on. If they had the backbone to tell the truth, it might be different, but dressed up in all the "save the world" nonsense, I will agree with Dante, send them to the eighth circle of hell for deceivers.

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