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USA strikes Syria again

St. Phatty

Active member
Trump is a Zionist, his family are jews and the Trump fortune was built on jewish capital and cooperation. Israeli interests will be the biggest priorities in his strategic decision making.
To make sense of this, we have to realise that Britain and America, in this context, are servants and foot soldiers for Israel. This is why 4 out of 5 Britains and probably similar numbers of Americans don't agree with any of it.

I would say that 40% to 50% of Americans subscribe to the Christian mythology, spread by pseudo Christian church leaders in the US, "if you want to go to Heaven, you have to support Israel."

I'm not paraphrasing, that is a direct quote.

When you add in the non-Christian Israel supporters, I think it may be a majority - in the US - that buy the US gov. BS.
 

gaiusmarius

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Israel is not really the good guy when it comes to the Syrian regime change war. they have set up a hospital right across from the isis pocket on their border. they treat them and re supply them, it's all on video. Nitenyahoo himself went to visit some isis commander while he was being treated in hospital in Israel. on top of that Israel keeps attacking Syria in support of jihadist operations, almost openly timing attacks to benefit isis. they have never once bombed isis or nusra/al qaida in Syria, neither has isis or al qaida ever attacked Israel. so yeah, Israel wouldn't mind a new caliphate in Syria, their actions apeak louder then any words. possibly they prefer Syria week and divided and helping the moderate isis etc is the best way to keep Syria week. so yeah, not playing the good guy, you know it's only the Syrian government that keeps the Syrian 2000 year old Christian community as well as the other minorities safe from the moderate terrorists from all the many gangs kidnapping, enslaving raping and killing them..
 

Rondon

Member
I think Assad most definitely used chem bombs recently to mop up the last pockets of rebs in hiding. Chlorine gas is heavier than air. Used to flush out the enemy hiding deep down like in basements. He also knew the timing is perfect because it seems such a ridiculous and crazy move on his part and to him an ultimately acceptable loss. If he denys it and says it was a set up...how perfect to keep the western world believing in conspiracy shit and even more leary of thier own government. He did it. He knew the outcome. He ran it over with Putin. They knew what the western publics reaction would be...they knew what western coalition forces reaction would be.
 

gaiusmarius

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I think Assad most definitely used chem bombs recently to mop up the last pockets of rebs in hiding. Chlorine gas is heavier than air. Used to flush out the enemy hiding deep down like in basements. He also knew the timing is perfect because it seems such a ridiculous and crazy move on his part and to him an ultimately acceptable loss. If he denys it and says it was a set up...how perfect to keep the western world believing in conspiracy shit and even more leary of thier own government. He did it. He knew the outcome. He ran it over with Putin. They knew what the western publics reaction would be...they knew what western coalition forces reaction would be.

makes no sense, it's the one red line he was given, why do the one thing you are told will get the whole world involved against you? thats the part i can't accept. he was winning, eastern Ghouta was about 90% liberated, the last pocket called Douma was totally surrounded and negotiations were under way to have a cease fire and evacuation of the fighters and their families. the same fighters backed by saudi who caged any pro government civilians on video when they first took over and kept them in prison as slave labor for the last 7 years. when the saudi backed army of islam finally agreed to release their prisoners and get on the busses, they had only 200 woman and kids left of the 4000 souls they had kidnapped during their rule of terror in eastern Ghouta. upon their release they told of the horrors they were put through by the moderate extremists. testimonies can all be found on you tube.

the Russians actually went to the hospital shown in the video and spoke to a doctor who works there and was in the video, he says there was no chemical weapons victims in that video and that it was staged.

in the end Assads troops had already broken the outer fortifications of Douma and the rebels had asked for a cease fire to resume negotiations, while in the streets civilians were chanting pro government chants at the prospect of the end of the whole mess law and order coming back.

apparently at that stage, Assad decided to order a chemical attack on a house ful of civilians. i guess just because, things were just going too well. US just announced they are leaving, so he had to do something to make sure they stayed and attacked him right? logical?
 

trichrider

Kiss My Ring
Veteran
Plan to stage chemical attack revealed by Syrian resident



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WazIRMy2eHQ

[youtubeif]WazIRMy2eHQ[/youtubeif]

from February this year...
seems awful hinky, just months ago
there are others also indicating US backed rebels responsible

Trump did telegraph his intentions via twitter, warning Putin of big new shiny missles were coming. this was a coordinated move to have Vlad get troops out of harms way.

deep state BS getting taken down.
 

944s2

Well-known member
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I watched " Snowdon" by Oliver Stone,,,,,
very scary,,,,,shit that was going down back then let alone now,,,,,
anybody stick gum over there webcam?????
 
M

moose eater

The article below is written by a man I hold a great deal of respect for; Ray McGovern.

He was a U.S. Army Intel Officer, following which he spent 30 years as a CIA Analyst.

He was one of many former CIA analysts and Intel folks who were outspoken in opposition to, and criticism of, the 'new' extra-legal info and data powers that Snowden and others warned us of, that has our e-mails, phone records, data, etc., held on Gov. super-computers.

He was roughed up a fair bit for showing up at a Hillary Clinton presentation, where, contrary to claims by the feds, his infraction was to part his vest and reveal a 'Veterans for Peace' t-shirt beneath; his injuries from that fiasco can likely still be found on line. He was in his early 70s at that time. As he was led out of the room, restrained, he turned to the crowd there, and his one audible statement was, "Is this the kind of government you want?"

He was later apprehended and held without charges when he attempted to enter a Donald Rumsfeld presentation, the result of a BOLO, put out by the feds/NSA/et al.

He's well known by the Powers that Be.

He's a man who puts his body and money where his mouth is. A pussy, he is not.

I don't salute many persons, other than for sarcastic salutes toward oblivious and incompetent drivers on the road, but he is among those limited few I give a sincere salute to.

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Defense Secretary James Mattis and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Joseph Dunford remind me of the generals of the Third Reich in “just following orders,” lying through their teeth about the pretext for attacking Poland — er, I mean Syria — as though the solemn oath they took was to the Fuehrer — er, I mean President — not the Constitution.

April 14, 2018

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/14/attacking-syria-thumbing-noses-at-constitution-and-law/


It was a sad spectacle to see U.S. brass rubbishing the Constitution and trying to silence critics of the U.S. strike on Syria, says Ray McGovern in this commentary.


By Ray McGovern Special to Consortium News


The U.S. Constitution and international law suffered a stinging blow last night at the hands of an odd coalition that might be called Goldilocks and two moral dwarfs posing as Marine generals, together with a “Right Dishonorable” harridan and a young French poodle.


As was the case 15 years ago when the U.S. and UK launched a war of aggression against Iraq, the pretext was so-called “weapons of mass destruction” (WMD) — this time the claimed use on April 7 of chlorine (and maybe the nerve agent sarin — who knows?) in Duma a suburb of Damascus. And this time French President Emmanuel Macron was allowed to join, as junior partner, the gang that can’t lie straight.


The attacks by the Gang of Three came hours before specialists from the UN Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons were to arrive in Syria to study soil and other samples in Duma. The question leaps out: Why could the Gang not wait until the OPCW had a chance to find out whether there was such an attack and, if so, what chemical(s) were used?



Sentence First, Verdict Later


U.S. Defense Secretary James Mattis could only say that he believes there was a chemical attack and that perhaps sarin, in addition to chlorine, was involved. Serving until now as the only available “evidence” are highly dubious reports from agenda-laden “social media.” What is clear is that the U.S./UK/French Gang wanted to strike before the OPCW investigators had a chance to ascertain what happened. Hmm. All the earmarks of “Sentence first; verdict afterwards.”


Former Secretary of State John Kerry made a habit of advertising how “extraordinarily useful” social media can be. He got that right. Of the main alleged “chemical attacks” by Syria — on August 21, 2013; April 4,2017; and April 7, 2018 — the primary, if not exclusive — source of information was the “extraordinarily useful,” but notoriously unreliable, “social media.”


Marine Martinets

Briefing the media last night, after Goldilocks had set the stage announcing “retaliation” for the (unproven) use of chemicals by the Syrian government, were two four-star Marine generals, one of them (Mattis) retired, who seem to have mistakenly thought that the Marine motto had been changed to “Semper Lie.” It was a very sad spectacle.


In 1961, when I was commissioned a 2nd Lieutenant in the U.S. Army, I took a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. Also drummed into the heads of us newly minted officers was the obligation to tell the truth — always.


I had assumed — apparently naively — that Marines took the same oath and obligation. The attack on Iraq 15 years ago destroyed that assumption. I will cite just two examples that scandalized me.


Hear No Evil, Speak No Truth, Get Rich Quick

Marine Gen. Zinni was receiving an award at the Veterans for Foreign War convention on August 26, 2002, and decided to play Brer’ Rabbit as he listened to the main speaker, Vice President Dick Cheney, set the meretricious terms of reference for war with Iraq.



Zinni had been commander of CENTCOM and had retired two years before, but his continued role as fully cleared consultant had enabled him to stay up to date on key intelligence findings for Iraq. Zinni later said he was shocked to hear Cheney’s depiction of intelligence (Iraq has WMD and is amassing them to use against us) that did not square with what he knew the accurate intelligence to be. “There was no solid proof that Saddam had WMD. … I heard a case being made to go to war,” Zinni told Meet the Press three and a half years later. (Emphasis mine.)


Earlier, Zinni enjoyed a reputation as a relatively straight shooter with a good bit of courage. And so, the question lingers: why did he not go public when he first heard Cheney’s lie? THAT might have stopped the war. What seems operative here, I fear, is an all-too-familiar conundrum at senior levels where people have been conditioned not to rock the boat, not to risk their standing within the Washington Establishment or their prospects for lucrative spots on the corporate boards of arms manufacturers.


Semper Fraud


Without the full cooperation of former Marine, Senator Pat Roberts (R, Kansas), who was Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee before, during, and after the attack on Iraq, Bush and Cheney would have had far more difficulty perpetrating that crime. Because of Roberts’s participation in what easily qualifies as a criminal conspiracy, Bush and Cheney were able to run amok — until, finally, the Senate changed hands in 2006.

On June 5, 2008 Roberts’s successor, Sen. Jay Rockefeller announced the completion of a five-year Senate Intelligence Committee investigation — a study that had been continually sidetracked by Roberts. Rockefeller introduced the study’s bipartisan findings with these words: “In making the case for war, the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent.”


Fellow Marine and UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter found Roberts’s behavior shameful. Ritter was unable to resist writing: “Semper Fraud, Senator Roberts.”


Against that background, it was particularly painful last evening to watch two Marine four-star generals peddling at the Pentagon a bogus casus belli for another unprovoked armed attack — this time on Syria.



Media people favored with a Pentagon pass were too timid to ask pointed questions about the evidence that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, for some strange reason known only to him, picked a time of near victory to “use chemical weapons against his own people” on April 7. No one asked why the rush to judgment; why the gang of three (the U.S., its aging British cousin, and its young French poodle) could not have waited just a day or two for UN inspectors to arrive and discover whether the so-called “chemical attack” amounted to a true casus belli, or a casus belly-laugh.



Following Orders


Defense Secretary James Mattis and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Joseph Dunford remind me of the generals of the Third Reich in “just following orders,” lying through their teeth about the pretext for attacking Poland — er, I mean Syria — as though the solemn oath they took was to the Fuehrer — er, I mean President — not the Constitution. It seemed, at first, that President George W. Bush’s dictum still reigned at the Pentagon; i. e., “The Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper.”But President Donald Trump and Secretary Mattis did not go as far as Bush. No doubt under White House orders, Mattis dutifully recited the key tenet of constitutional scholar Dick Cheney’s dubious “unitary executive” theory; that is, that the President is somehow not bound by Article I (Section 8) of the Constitution. That Article I section may have been in mothballs since the attack on Pearl Harbor, but remains a very important part of the Constitution. And the U.S. has gotten into a peck of trouble by those —administrations and members of congress, alike — who have chosen to circumvent this key provision, which reserves to Congress the power to declare war. Our Founders wanted this to apply, if a King — er, I mean President — got it into his head to attack another country. Syria, for example.


At the beginning of his speech, Mattis employed this dubious variant, without the slightest demurral from those wishing to retain their Pentagon passes: “As our commander in chief, our President has the authority under Article II of the Constitution to use military force overseas to defend important U.S. national interests.”


Those interested should re-read Article II. They will look in vain for anything like the Cheney/Mattis variant. All that part of Article II says is: “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.”

A Common Error With Budding Officers Too


An experience I had teaching a class at the Naval Academy in Annapolis 12 years ago suggests that students at U.S. military academies are led to think that Article II supersedes Article I. Lecturing to a third-year class of about 50 students about political/military events, I referred innocently to the solemn oath required of military personnel and asked what that oath was all about. “Well, it is an oath to the President, of course,” said the first student who threw up his hand, with several others nodding assent. I said that was quite wrong. And it turned out to be like pulling teeth to find one student who knew that the oath was to defend the Constitution.


Last evening I found myself wondering what Attorney General Jeff Sessions thought of Mattis’s messing with Article I, Section 8. For, not too long ago, there was one shining moment when Sen. Jeff Sessions did his best to challenge then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who pretended to be unfamiliar with the bedrock fact that the Constitution reserved to Congress the right to declare war.


Libya: Precedent for Syria

Sessions: Baffled.

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 7, 2012, then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Alabama, pursued this key issue with Panetta. Chafing ex post facto at the unauthorized nature of the war in Libya, Sessions asked repeatedly what “legal basis” would the Obama administration rely on to do in Syria what it did in Libya.

Watching that part of the testimony, it seemed to me that Sessions, a conservative Southern lawyer, was not at all faking when he pronounced himself “almost breathless,” as Panetta stonewalled time after time. Panetta made it explicitly clear that the administration does not believe it needs to seek congressional approval for wars like Libya. At times he seemed to be quoting verses from the Book of Cheney.


Sessions: “I am really baffled … The only legal authority that’s required to deploy the U.S. military [in combat] is the Congress and the President and the law and the Constitution.”

Panetta: “Let me just for the record be clear again, Senator, so there is no misunderstanding. When it comes to national defense, the President has the authority under the Constitution to act to defend this country, and we will, Sir.”

If you readers care about the Constitution and the rule of law, I strongly recommend that you view the entire 7-minute video clip.


Constitutionally, the craven Congress is a huge part of the problem. Only a few members of the House and Senate seem to care very much when presidents act like kings and send off troops drawn largely by a poverty draft to wars not authorized (or simply rubber-stamped) by Congress.


A Chill on the First Amendment


Secretary Mattis devoted his last minute last evening to a careful reading of the following warning:

“Based on recent experience, we fully expect a significant disinformation campaign over the coming days by those who have aligned themselves with the Assad regime. And, in an effort to maintain transparency and accuracy, my assistant for public affairs, Ms. Dana White, and Lt. Gen. McKenzie, Director General of the Joint Staff here in Washington, will provide a brief of known details tomorrow morning — we are anticipating at about 9:00 in this same location.”A warning not so sotto voce: Criticize the craven behavior of Mattis, Dunford, or the Gang of Three, and you will be “aligning” yourself “with the Assad regime.”


Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. He was an Army Infantry/Intelligence officer and then a CIA analyst for a total of 30 years.


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St. Phatty

Active member

Some people don't like an honest discussion of World Affairs, or World History.

MooseEater is right on about Consortium News. The late Robert Parry was an AWESOME reporter.

In the old days he would have been considered a normal reporter, but, starting sometime in the 80's or 90's, it was as if God asked, "will all the honest reporters please step forward ?" ... and most of them took a step back - because they wanted a paycheck and knew what was OK with their corporate bosses.

Robert Parry pressed on and continued reporting about the Iran Contra series of incidents. It cost him more than one job, Consortium News was part of his response.
 

EasyGoing

Member

Off topic hate


I support Israel and close my eyes about the fucking seddlers in the Westbank. :)

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If God was real... a Huge Dinosaur era Sized Meteorite would crash right into Tel Aviv ....

Give Humanity a chance to work by making the evil go Extinct....



I hope Putin launches soon and turns the Middle East to glass once and for all. :tiphat:

Political talk, and racist anti jew talk isn't ok IMO. I didn't start the thread with any of that in mind, all off topic.
 
M

moose eater

Corporate-dominated news has little room for tellers of truth and true journalistic analysts. It endangers the bread wagon they've sold their souls for.

Judith Miller (if I recall her name correctly) was but one of thousands of examples who assist the corporate media and their political puppets in the perverse dissemination of toxic corpo-nationalism and associated propaganda, with no real concern for the bodies in their wake, or the destruction to what we once thought the American Dream was made up of.

Blessed be the truth seekers, who accomplish positive works without blood baths. Who when ordered to kill, dare to ask, "Why?" without accepting the pabulum of the day as truth on its face... and genuinely seek forgiveness for their own sins.

If God was real, and I don't know that he was or wasn't, I doubt very much that He carried any one Nation's passport.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
I notice a trend.

We'll have a thread about something, and whether or not it started out about World Affairs, and World History, they become part of the discussion.

Sometimes the thread gets extra-heated, and is closed/ locked.

Actually I understand that, the Mods have to do what works for the Mods. If the Mods were into censorship this thread wouldn't have gotten this far.


We could always change the subject - temporarily - and talk about something like ... the California wildfire season.

It appears to have begun with 10 acres of palm groves on fire near Coachella - at the same time as the music festival.

Temps are in the 90's and winds are calm but increasing, moving into the double digits tomorrow.


One place that has some really interesting online discussions is "Russia Today". The comments section is quite eye opening. It appears the World has fallen out of love with the USA, in the post-9-11 era.

Also the comments at RT are strikingly Western, in their writing. Either Russian schools make it a point to teach colloquial English, or a fair percentage of Westerners post at RT simply because they are hungry for the chance to tell the truth.

That in itself indicates a Huge business opportunity. The world population is tired of being censored. Censored by Youtube, censored by Facebook, censored by Google, etc.
 
M

moose eater

Last post for a while. More local life calls.. fairly loudly.. Too much procrastination.

Though abstract in it relationship to the topic at hand, this came into my thoughts this morning. I still have the original 33-1/3 Lp, as well as a cassette tape recorded from it in a cabin on the river decades ago...


Johnny Winter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yclRjptWlW8

‘Highway 61 Revisited’

(Original tune by Bob Dylan; done in lively Johnny Winter style, on the 3-sided 33-1/3 Lp album by Johnny Winter, entitled ‘Second Winter,’ circa 1969)

Oh, God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe said, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God said, "No" Abe say, "What?"
God say, "You can do what you want, Abe, but
The next time you see me comin', you better run"
Well, Abe said, "Where d'you want this killin' done?"
God said, "Out on Highway 61"


Well, Georgia Sam, he had a bloody nose
Welfare department, they wouldn't give him no clothes
He asked poor Howard, "Where can I go?"
Howard said, "There's only one place I know"
Sam said, "Tell me quick, man, I got to run"
Oh, Howard just pointed with his gun
And said, "That way, down Highway 61"


Well, Mack the Finger said to Louie the King
"I got forty red-white-and-blue shoestrings
And a thousand telephones that will not ring
Do you know where I can get rid of these things?"
And Louie the King said, "Let me think for a minute, son"
Then he said, "Yes, I think it can be easily done
Just take everything down to Highway 61"


Now, the fifth daughter on the twelfth night
Told the first father that things weren't right
"My complexion, " she says, "is much too white"
He said, "Come here and step into the light"
He said, "Hmm, you're right, let me tell the second mother this has been done"
But the second mother was with the seventh son
And they were both out on Highway 61


Now, the roving gambler he was very bored
Trying to create a next world war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said, "I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes, I think it can be very easily done
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it out on Highway 61"


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I miss Johnny sometimes. R.I.P.
 

gaiusmarius

me
Veteran
fair enough Easy, i will remove the stuff that you mentioned as going over the line, but its a legitimate subject for discussion. Gypsy has decided to be a bit more free speech orientated in the toker den, hence deeper discussions some times start on current events and i personally think its a good thing, it lets people from all over the world share their views on the event. the more info you gather the more the truth crystallizes into a picture of whats actually happening. threads can be like having a team of researchers on a subject, it's the good part of social media. you just have to be discerning about what you accept and what is not proven.

anyway check this out, interview with a doctor that was seen on the footage the white helmet presented of the alleged chemical attack. it's interesting to say the least no?

[YOUTUBEIF]sBmWe5FnSCc[/YOUTUBEIF]
 

Spaventa

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Veteran
Easy, being an F1 hybrid myself, I have experienced racism first hand so I understand and will respect what you are saying - Im not down with bashing people cos they are what they were born. Best wishes to all concerned in this and I pray for the innocent no matter what religion, race, colour or creed, the thought of ANY of our kids being handed this mess of a world infuriates me. the thought of a child being injured, killed or orphaned breaks my heart regardless of who's child they are. love and oneness, please.
 

Bumbatar

Member
another video, this one shows some interceptions by the look of it. i know one thing, Putin will now sell the s300 to Iran and Syria, he was asked and agreed not to in 2013, but this situation will change his mind. US talking heads say not 1 missiles was intercepted.


[youtubeif]CDkGS3zD20o[/youtubeif]

Russian ministery of defense is reporting that:

it looks like the smart bombs and plane launched smaller missiles and long range boms, as well as about a third of the tomahawks got through and did destroy 3 targets. on the other hand 4 out of 5 attacked air bases apparently intercepted all incoming missiles. using a number of antique 60 year old air defenses with weird names and with a few upgrades. also the newer Pansir and the 40 year old s200.

i'm just happy that Russia didnt get sucked into the exchange. last thing i want right now, is WW3, just bad timing, what with the IC420 cup and all, lmao.
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The video you posted is FAKE. It is a video of a Phalanx CIWS shooting in the air and the shells automatically exploding. The Phalanx guns are the one that look like R2D2 has a big boner. i would not be surprised if the American government was putting out crappy fakes like this to make Russia and Syria look bad. Below is a vid of the Phalanx you had in the fake vid.

[YOUTUBEIF]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ6YChXRn_A[/YOUTUBEIF]
 
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gaiusmarius

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The video you posted is FAKE. It is a video of a Phalanx CIWS shooting in the air and the shells automatically exploding. The Phalanx guns are the one that look like R2D2 has a big boner. i would not be surprised if the American government was putting out crappy fakes like this to make Russia and Syria look bad. Below is a vid of the Phalanx you had in the fake vid.

[YOUTUBEIF]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ6YChXRn_A[/YOUTUBEIF]

your video doesn't work, maybe post a normal link and ill embed it. the image also needs to be down sized it messed up the sizzing of the whole thread. if you load it onto this site it will be auto resized to fit in properly with the forums formatting. or just link the pic up.

the air defense interception videos at night are not my forte will admit to that, so thanks for the information about what it is we see there. kinda thought it was the Pansir system in action, but thats a guess.
 
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