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Old 10-20-2017, 12:59 AM #3151
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Screws...let's face it. A ton of bullshit in this thread including the OP never posting a single soil test, dudes clearly lying about yield, me posting an indo pic to see if I got called out

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But what about oerch's 500 lb pumpkin. I believe soil plus 1 pg fert. No one grows 500 lb mj plants. That proves basically soil + water can get it done.

On the other hand some dude basically quadrupled that with the same genetics. Reckon he might have fed it

And on the third hand...was it a quality pumpkin? Did he fight pest and disease? Was it edible?

Enquiring minds want to know.

I know one thing. Nutrition is the only thing that beats pest and disease. I bet your ca:k and your micros are out of whack. Will I tell you on here...nope. But I will in pm
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:37 AM #3152
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Screws...let's face it. A ton of bullshit in this thread including the OP never posting a single soil test, dudes clearly lying about yield, me posting an indo pic to see if I got called out

There is no true openness

But what about oerch's 500 lb pumpkin. I believe soil plus 1 pg fert. No one grows 500 lb mj plants. That proves basically soil + water can get it done.

On the other hand some dude basically quadrupled that with the same genetics. Reckon he might have fed it

And on the third hand...was it a quality pumpkin? Did he fight pest and disease? Was it edible?

Enquiring minds want to know.

I know one thing. Nutrition is the only thing that beats pest and disease. I bet your ca:k and your micros are out of whack. Will I tell you on here...nope. But I will in pm
But I will in PM, just hire me as a consultant.... classic bud...

I'm glad you're finally learning about low k, low mg, high Ca and high P, also it's a weed, it's easy to grow, shrews is right about that, he probably has great soil & weather..

Pumpkin and Cannabis , I enjoy this silly comparison and plant mass weight numbers..., gee, I wonder how many SF , water per day, nutes, soil consumed etc etc a 2000 lb pumpkins plant uses vs say one cannabis plant, oh yeah it's a fkin squash not a cannabis plant ..., silly comparison, for a paid agro consultant your perspective is narrow

You grow a few nice plants in ideal weather others bred, it's really easy dude quit making it sound so hard...

Grow 50 different fruits, veggies herbs etc on same farm and dial, then you'll realize how easy cannabis is and how many plants are exponentially more difficult but all seem to face same issues, too little Ca, P, Mn & B ... too much K, Mg, Fe and N... and too acidic

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Old 10-20-2017, 02:51 AM #3153
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Cannabis is far easier than peppers for sure.

Never said a word about charging screws a dime. He is real and I am happy to give my opinion to him. Lot of phoney fucks here though...not willing to share with them. But you go right ahead
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:54 AM #3154
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Cannabis is far easier than peppers for sure.

Never said a word about charging screws a dime. He is real and I am happy to give my opinion to him. Lot of phones fucks here though...not willing to share with them. But you go right ahead
That's a fair & good point on phonies, also on insect / disease pressures... we certainly agree on that

Or try growing eggplant nearby, no joke, aphids & whiteflies and to a lesser extent mutes and thrips choose them over near anything else, them big fluffy leaves are hard to resist

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Old 10-20-2017, 07:01 AM #3155
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Jesus people are going after each other in a personal sense around here. Pretty stupid

My pumpkins where 271 and 390 lb OTT. I forgot the side to side and I was pissed with my weights lol. Had some hard weather the vines have been dead for about 3 weeks so they might have dried out a bit.

Also jidoka hasn't charged me yet for advice or opinions. I may be paying him at some point.
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:37 AM #3156
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Easy....when you get stuff down how about a soil test. I am curious how the balance looks after feeding
I would like to see both Easy and Schrews soil test after this season, with only foliar AEA Im curious what that soil looks like. For me I would rather fertigate than do foliar or top dress. The issue with this has been getting enough Ca through the injection, not sure itís possible(precipitates)
My guess is hopefully be able to balance the Ca with tilling at season start and fertigate the rest
Foliar a bunch of monsters over and over is an intense amount of work on large scale.
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:48 AM #3157
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Why so many wasted pages on comparing dicks over fucking pumpkins? Compensating? I dont see people lined up to learn how to grow squash. I cut a face in a pumpkin and throw it on the compost pile a few weeks later. Its like having to see commercials on TV about the folks who think we care about them growing beards. Nothing to see or LEARN here.
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Old 10-20-2017, 08:46 AM #3158
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Couldíve been different way to word it, but I think the point is that in the big pumpkin world, 500 (OTT measurement was actually 491) is not big at all and without additional feeding I ended up with a gourd at maybe 1/2-1/4 itís potential. My cec was 10, I didnít feed k when there was a visible def, etc. Iím happy with what I got partly because I donít know what it couldíve been. Analogous to a 7 lb plant that couldíve been 12.

I vote feed, but only if your soil numbers are right and none of the bullshit, heavy nitrate/low mineral bottles. When you say cannabis is easy to grow, sure, it grows in ditches in Russia. To get 3-4 lbs/light indoors withought fungal or insect pressure, keep up with nutrient demands effectively on trees, or pull a crop with the last month of the growing season being rainy and losing less than 1% to mold is not easy.
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Old 10-20-2017, 01:25 PM #3159
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Screws...let's face it. A ton of bullshit in this thread including the OP never posting a single soil test, dudes clearly lying about yield, me posting an indo pic to see if I got called out

There is no true openness
So, this is what I have been saying for years. I seem to be ONE OF THE only people constantly posting up soil tests, and sharing ideas. I seem to get shit on every single time I do. Maybe people wont share, cause ANYTHING anybody says on the internet is hate, wrong, stupid, ext. Me personally, I am sick of it. I wish there was a group of people I could actually share my data with, that are working in the same directions.

Then you get a group of people together in person, and everybody is out to fuck you out of your hard earned money. It's a fucking plague in this industry, and I hope to God I get in the industry, it all evens out, then people can start acting live professionals. Got fucked by a bug "specialist" this year, fucked by city council, fucked by cops, fucked by "irrigation specialist", fucked by neighbors, fucked by my local cannabis activist group. All the while, I give free counseling, hook people up with other pros like the wax man, set people up with trim crews, sit in every city and county meeting, free work on the local church on my street, free labor for road work for our associations, donate to local causes, own a business, pay taxes, own a house........... I am sick of it all. A phrase my parents used to utter, that pissed me off when I was a kid, I now fully understand. "No good deed goes unpunished."

Sorry, rant over!

Gotta get my head back on strait. Rained a half inch last night, guessing I have some work to do today. Hope everybody's harvest is in full gear. Enjoy the fruits of your labor everybody, and be grateful for what you have.

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Old 10-20-2017, 02:38 PM #3160
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Couldíve been different way to word it, but I think the point is that in the big pumpkin world, 500 (OTT measurement was actually 491) is not big at all and without additional feeding I ended up with a gourd at maybe 1/2-1/4 itís potential. My cec was 10, I didnít feed k when there was a visible def, etc. Iím happy with what I got partly because I donít know what it couldíve been. Analogous to a 7 lb plant that couldíve been 12.

I vote feed, but only if your soil numbers are right and none of the bullshit, heavy nitrate/low mineral bottles. When you say cannabis is easy to grow, sure, it grows in ditches in Russia. To get 3-4 lbs/light indoors withought fungal or insect pressure, keep up with nutrient demands effectively on trees, or pull a crop with the last month of the growing season being rainy and losing less than 1% to mold is not easy.
There is significant relevance with all plants that are annuals, they mostly want the same things, healthy, living soil with good CEC & PH & correct amounts of macros & micros. Veggies and fruits are useful in this process as it's very easy to see & taste deficiencies in them and generally many of them are harder to grow so are excellent learning tools for cannabis, MHO...

In regards to people going at it, it's not about dick measuring for me, mines the smallest I win, it's about people constantly attacking the threads author who has shared a ton in here, I think it's weak so I sometimes step in...

I also see clearly that the OP has alterior motives (gathering valuable data on others work / expense) but in return he's offered up a ton of knowledge and Agro info, whether he's a master cannabis grower to me is moot, his info shared is spot on relevant to annuals and perennials largely.
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