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Old 10-15-2017, 04:41 AM #181
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I'm not subject to compliance checks, Shag, nor is anybody else who grows under A64. No paperwork, no bullshit, just do it. Keep the numbers right just in case. They don't even know that I'm here. There needs to be some sort of complaint for the cops to even bother with me. The DEA won't be coming around, either, so long as the Cole memo is in effect. They won't touch anybody who is truly state legal.

The rest of it is just speculation on your part. It's really very relaxed around here. Shops still sell cheaper to people who get cards. People who want to make a little money growing under caregiver license are still doing their thing, even though they're getting hassled in other municipalities. The game they have to play has always been more involved. I recognize that some lawmakers want them out of business entirely.

What happened with A64 is that the big MMJ growers leveraged their expertise & experience to attract venture capital & overcome the legalities & very high licensing fees. Retail was big business right from the start & likely to stay that way because it's easier to regulate that way & the incentives to play by the rules much stronger when large investments are at stake.

The Peeps don't care either, not with the convenience & safety of a retail environment. They love it just the way it is although everybody wants lower prices. From their perspective, what's not to like?

When you step out to places other than CO & some other states there's a whole helluva lot not to like. People are getting busted every day & even doing time for what I can do with impunity. That's where our anger needs to be directed.
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I'm not subject to compliance checks, Shag, nor is anybody else who grows under A64. No paperwork, no bullshit, just do it. Keep the numbers right just in case. They don't even know that I'm here. There needs to be some sort of complaint for the cops to even bother with me. The DEA won't be coming around, either, so long as the Cole memo is in effect. They won't touch anybody who is truly state legal.

The rest of it is just speculation on your part. It's really very relaxed around here. Shops still sell cheaper to people who get cards. People who want to make a little money growing under caregiver license are still doing their thing, even though they're getting hassled in other municipalities. The game they have to play has always been more involved. I recognize that some lawmakers want them out of business entirely.

What happened with A64 is that the big MMJ growers leveraged their expertise & experience to attract venture capital & overcome the legalities & very high licensing fees. Retail was big business right from the start & likely to stay that way because it's easier to regulate that way & the incentives to play by the rules much stronger when large investments are at stake.

The Peeps don't care either, not with the convenience & safety of a retail environment. They love it just the way it is although everybody wants lower prices. From their perspective, what's not to like?

When you step out to places other than CO & some other states there's a whole helluva lot not to like. People are getting busted every day & even doing time for what I can do with impunity. That's where our anger needs to be directed.
compliance checks are not unusual
peeps keep it on the DL to avoid such things, but they happen

as for the "peeps" who "don't care" and ther eis nothing to like... they are the shortsighted who probably have never had really good product nd don't mind contaminated hash
can;t speak for everyone, but peeps who have no complaints about typical dispensary product aside from high prices are not the discerning type with any kind of taste or class....

also, peeps are being busted in colorado daily for doing exactly what was legal only 18-24 months ago, and that trend is about to explode next year...

again, if you read a20; production, sales, distribution is all protected even patient to patient, nothing in there about needing a license.
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Jhhnn's main problem, I think, is that he thinks Colorado is perfect or the closest you can get to perfect. I disagree but I respect his views.
I don't think it's perfect. I think it's workable in a lot of different ways, that it's a good thing overall. On the small end of it, people like me can create an endless supply for themselves, even heavy tokers. If I set my mind to it I could readily produce 5 lbs/yr from ~20 sq.ft. remaining completely legal the whole time. Absolutely no paperwork required. Total anonymity. That would be 1-1/2 oz per week for the wife & I to share plus bubble hash from the trimmings. I could produce a helluva lot more if I really wanted to get into it like this guy-

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There's still the whole caregiver angle for people who want to make a little bit of money & then it jumps up to the big boys. The people losing out are growers who can't come up with the capital to move upscale

Consumers can do the med card thing for lower shop prices or do even better with a caregiver. Or they can just pay retail, even put it on the mastercard in a lot of shops. they're obviously doing fine, too.

There's a lot in it for a lot of people, including tribute to the state in the form of sin taxes. That alone induced a lot of straights to help pass A64. It never would have happened without them.

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I don't think it's perfect. I think it's workable in a lot of different ways, that it's a good thing overall. On the small end of it, people like me can create an endless supply for themselves, even heavy tokers. If I set my mind to it I could readily produce 5 lbs/yr from ~20 sq.ft. remaining completely legal the whole time. Absolutely no paperwork required. Total anonymity. That would be 1-1/2 oz per week for the wife & I to share plus bubble hash from the trimmings. I could produce a helluva lot more if I really wanted to get into it like this guy-

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There's still the whole caregiver angle for people who want to make a little bit of money & then it jumps up to the big boys. The people losing out are growers who can't come up with the capital to move upscale


Consumers can do the med card thing for lower shop prices or do even better with a caregiver. Or they can just pay retail, even put it on the mastercard in a lot of shops. they're obviously doing fine, too.

There's a lot in it for a lot of people, including tribute to the state in the form of sin taxes. That alone induced a lot of straights to help pass A64. It never would have happened without them.

I want everybody in Amerca to have it as good as we do or better.
See this is where it gets shady
yes the caregiver model does still technically exist
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the state is neglecting it
peeps arent getting their paperwork back from the state approvingc caregivers for 6-9 MONTHS
how the hell are you supposed to give ANYcare when you are setback like taht from the state?

state is purposefully neglecting people attempting compliance in order to make them easier to bust...

also, anyone tried to sign into the state med website lately?
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:29 PM #185
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compliance checks are not unusual
peeps keep it on the DL to avoid such things, but they happen

as for the "peeps" who "don't care" and ther eis nothing to like... they are the shortsighted who probably have never had really good product nd don't mind contaminated hash
can;t speak for everyone, but peeps who have no complaints about typical dispensary product aside from high prices are not the discerning type with any kind of taste or class....

also, peeps are being busted in colorado daily for doing exactly what was legal only 18-24 months ago, and that trend is about to explode next year...

again, if you read a20; production, sales, distribution is all protected even patient to patient, nothing in there about needing a license.
Please be more specific about peeps getting busted for stuff that was legal 18-24 months ago. I honestly don't know the particulars.
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Or they can just pay retail, even put it on the mastercard in a lot of shops. they're obviously doing fine, too.
Obviously not from CO (or a legal state for that matter) but dispos are taking credit cards now?
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Obviously not from CO (or a legal state for that matter) but dispos are taking credit cards now?
I've witnessed shops with an attached gift shop, where purchases of pipes and papers (along with your cannabis) are rung up on credit cards.

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Obviously not from CO (or a legal state for that matter) but dispos are taking credit cards now?
Some. They do it with shell corporations. Lots take debit cards. Those that are cash only know the location of the nearest ATM, bet on it.
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Please be more specific about peeps getting busted for stuff that was legal 18-24 months ago. I honestly don't know the particulars.
lots of municipalities pass residential limits that go into place 12 months after being issued (supposedly giving peeps plenty of time to adjust and change) then start up enforcement on day 1

lets use 1220 as an example that will statewide limit all grows on a property with a residence to 12 plants, was passed THIS legislative session and will go into place jan 1 2018 (much less than 12 months form passing) - and bet that law enforcement will be stepping up and raiding to keep the courts busy
wana know how i know LEOs will step it up
because 1221 passed along-side 1220 and it funds and educates police departments to enforce 1220 and other marijuana codes
wtf

pretty sure the municipal code violation i was charged with (hidden in zoning code NOT in criminal code, making it harder for regular citizens to figure out what is legal to do where) was less than 2 years old at the time i was raided
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