Mosaic Virus in Cannabis pics

Wandering Roman said:

In the interest of keeping a sharp focus on this virus only in this thread,so as to be a reference and pinned for the members of this site,,I'll also ask to not stray too far from subject.

OJO's pics clearly display a chlorophyll mottling which is also another symptom,,this is not
a symptom nor sign in any other case other than a mosaic virus....end of story.

That is not one of DJ's inherent wrinkling,and naturally occuring traits in blueberry line.
While it's true 1 in 5 will be an extreme mutant in his line and will look eerily close to a
mosaic virus in deep distress ,,,,it is indeed different altogether.

This mottling of green chlorophyll where 1 single leaf will be segregated and be yellow or light green and then a healthy dark green is an indicator of the protein mutating at a cellular level and altering chlorophyll production.


I'd take those plants out side and dig a 3' hole in the earth and plant em...

otherwise burn em up!

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BrianBadonde said:

In your experiance with regards to OPT related strains ie Blueberry would it be more a likely a result of Colc treatment we are seeing?

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Wandering Roman said:

That would be affirmative sir..

I have grown out and bred a multitude of DJ's Blue line from his old
DP gear,,F13,Grape Krush,True Blue berry....


I have seen many mutants in many forms,,,,some so bad that it just begged to be culled,,,but they all grew out of it and the clones never displayed this again..


It may be easy for the layman to mistake these for a virus if they are not informed ahead of time,,and are aware of this virus..

This is simply DJ's legacy ,,,,some great plants if you dig into the generations for the proper phenos,many mutations..

But his gear is clean of the virus for certain..

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Core said:

i'l try and do the translation as correct as i can.....


On the youngest leaves you'll find yellow/green circled shape spots,cirlcle shaped figures and waving lines.
Older leaves shows yellow mozaïk like figures.Leaves will yellow in a short time,sometimes this happens when sympthoms dont show.







Spreading

A infection of mozaïkvirus occeurs mostly in the summer or in the fall,when winged bugs like leave louse appear.
Leave louse transmit the virus verry easy.While working in the garden men can transmit in some small occaisions.Spreading tru seed or soil is not possible.
The virus has many carryers,among them are salad and garden weeds,in these the virus can survive,the virus also acceurs in other^plants like tobaccoplants,tomatoes,cucumbers,ect..crosscontamination is possible..(cannabis infecting tomato and vise versa)
The moment the plant has been infected there is no cure for it....clones of this plant will also carry this virus..


Effects on the plant

The effect on the plant are verry divers,the plant will never be able 2 use its full potential because the state of the leave wont permit fotosynthese as good as on a healty leave.
The virus exists out of small rods of about 700 nanometer long.the virus belong 2 the group of potyvirusses.the plant will never be a topper,1 thing is surten the plant will show problems and will stay a back of any other.

Komkommer met Mozaiekvirus

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How 2 battle it..
As written before there is no cure for this virus?once the plant has it its not removeable.Inviromentfactors are importand though.A plant that has a stable surroundingstemperatur of 21C°+ wont have as much problem as other way around..so keeping the Temp above 21C° is a must


i'll add second part in a few and in a other post...

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Core said:

Prevention
First of all you need 2 provide a clean room,be shure and try 2 repel all bugs inside a room.
And always wash your hands before toutching the plants....you should have done it by now...
if your clonefarmer's plants carry this virus is there 99% chance you'll also get it in your room.in princible you already can see i on a clone when the plant has the infection...so watch out carefully.if a plant shows some odd charicaristics just refuse and go somewhere else.

you can ofcaurse take some precautions and take cloningmatters into your own hands...next 2 that growing from seeds will lower the threath of you getting it in the room.

Will it Cost Me
Will it cost me?...the answer 2 this is YES it will cost ya..because your plant has a virus ,does't make as much leave ,slows the fotosynthese ect...this plant wont be able 2 produce as much as a healthy 1.
if you keep it above 21C° damage will be smaller but for outside plants they will have more damage bacause our country has not as high temps over 21C° or higher.

History of the tobaccovirus (in short ...TMV)
TMW is the first virus that has been proven.The existance of the virus is confirmed in 1889,when a researcher began 2 sterillise the soil with a infected plant in it,after the sterillisation plants still became sick in that same soil.bacteria namely exist out of eggwhite that begins 2 harden when if reaches 100C°+...Because of this they came 2 the conclusion that bacteria where not the cause of this sickness.@ that time they probably did't know it woz a virus ...they just knew it woz't bacteria becoz of the sterillisation.

Foto

In 1946 the nobelprize woz awarde for chemestry...for the person that made a virus visible for the first time,this woz TMV..(see pic)
Because of the many quantities of the viruses and because it woz't dangerous 2 humans or animals this virus woz ideal for further examination for virusses.

Biolegie of TMV
biologistes try to marke everything is diffrent catagories,they also try 2 catagories these virusses in separate catagories.All forms of tobaccovirus fall under the name Potyvirusses...this catagorie is made on base of sympthoms and the presents of the virus.
The presents of the virus,only in plants and the primearie consecuence is grow inhibited by the cells of the plant,this only goes for Potyvirusses.

TMV is a ssRNA virus,that means a sigle strain RNA virus.with its buildingblocks documented on 1 single RNA strain.

it all get verry complicated now....in slowmotion....you know DNA right?that big database in stairform,RNA is a small copie of a piece of DNA that transforms the information into a assingment for the cell...(in short that is)

When a RNA virus penetrates the cell it immediatly starts 2 reproduce new viruses in the cell,this allows the cell 2 be infected.the spreading of the virus does not depend on cellformation.
Cells will be buisy producing viruses and thus wont be procucing as much cells and slow down its cell formation in its infected sections.so in our case veg and flower will quickly show some shortages.

Other shapes
the virus does have some brothers,they all causes there own sympthoms.
Its not only the TMV virus we have trouble with...other forms do occour with our girls...downhere other forms and other outer charicaristics are written...

1.Tobacco mosaic virus - 151, Tobamo ->our best know species,bended/curld leaves and obvious pattern on the leaves.....ime this kind shows more yellow on the leaves

2.Tobacco leaf curl virus-Begomo (Geminiviridae) -> does't show discolorments only curld/bended leaves because of lesser celldevelopment in the plant.

3.Tobacco mild green mosaic virus - 351, Tobamo -> causes spots on leaves leaves slightly curld and not so obvious mozaïk patterns.


OMFG i made it ...i'l add some of my own exp on this matter....i've had the pleaseaure of seeing 2 kinds of this virus...the Tobacco mozaik virus and the mild green mozaik virus ....well atleast i think so... i do have the proof on this matter....
i have 1 now in the garden ..seperate ofcause...take a look...

i also wanne add that i think its transferable tru handling diffrent plants...but that i'm not shure of...
LMAO this sounds like Si-Fi and i hope i did't make you scared or something.....just sharing my thoughts and opinions...

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beancounter said:

well, personaly, I don't think it's a virus..

I think that most likely it's a slight 'chimera' mutation, that is amplified under stressed conditions, or shortages of mg or other micros..


I've seen this happen time again on BB crosses, and also on other various hybrids.. I've seen it show in flower on a clone then not show the next time i flower the same clone, when i've learned to dial the clone in a bit better..


I don't think it's anything to worry about, it doesn't affect the plant much at all besides making 1-2 leaves about 10-50% less efficient, but I've never seen it make a difference in bud size comparing colas with and without the issue on the same plant..

so plants will do it regardless, when the mutation is strong.. i've seen the curling on brand new seed plants, 1 plant of 10 seeds, etc..


I'm not discounting the fact that cannabis can pick up viruses, they most definately can..

But I do believe viruses will cause much more severe symptoms, not jus a few curly and discoloured leaves.. If IGT was having other issues like slow veg growth, slow or no rooting for clones, low flower production, or disfigured flowers, then I'd be more likely to believe it was due to a virus..


good luck, but i wouldn't worry about it..

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Grat3fulh3ad said:

Virus can be passed on through seed, according to some of the research done on plant viruses. Viruses can also be dormant or non-symptomatic in perfectly healthy individuals, but then manifest when the organism's health is affected by another factor, and then go away when ideal health is once again achieved. The most common example of this is the cold sore... a herpes virus which never goes away, but the symptoms only manifest when the person's health is affected by something else.

Not sure of the cause of the variegation in the Chem, but know for sure that it will not show up much at all in a dialed in garden.

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Mister Postman said:

Your right littlebud. don't anyone get all freaked out and start culling shit. Virus's can be tricky shit to deal with. But the segragation of anything new is of the upmost importance when it comes to shit that spreads like this. Anyone with even a small interest in breeding or those who value there home stock should isolate and test new comers before introducing them to the home stock for breeding purposes. A virus can range from a cold soar on ur lip, a hook leaf here and there in plants, to death.

15 years ago there was an viral outbreak with a pet species I had interest in. Many breeders who dealt with those animals got scared of what some other breeders were dealing with with sick animals (what was believed to be the plague to the species) etc., and many rushed to judgement of their now viral-positive animals, and ended up killing off whole breeding colonies to try and escape it. 3 years later the virus was found to be in about 90% of the species, and traced all the way back to wild populations. lots of life lost for nothing. In the end the animals who carried the virus only exhibited symptoms in times of stress, or when kept improperly in captivety. Like in overcrowded breeding facilities where one animal is stacked upon another do to large numbers and lack of space. Add in the factors of heat, water, and humidity and u got a Perfect breeding ground for virus, bacteria, and fungi to spread.

It may be very similar to this.. babies show it, stressed plants show it, old clones which are weakeing may show it even more etc. But For the most part the large percentage will go on and show no symptoms, or only show them during stressful conditions. Kinda like head said with herpes.. which is why creating seeds is so important to the longevity of these elite strain ASAP.... before they become introduced to viruses being passed around from room to room to possible infected room like cheap hookers..

Say the word virus, and the majority of people shit themselves.

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superbolan said:

And plants can be infected from handling cigarettes before touching plants, I've known quite a few who even smoke while working in there rooms, thats asking for trouble

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OjoRojo420 said:

Hello WR !

I came across the following while doing some search:

"What do grape growers do when they have a virus?

The same thing that your body does when it has a virus, it cooks the virus with elevated temperature (fever).

Your body is usually 98.6 degrees. When infected with a virus your body temp may rise to 106 degrees. Why?

Because most all viruses have a vary narrow window of temperature at which they can survive. This includes plant viruses.

So, cook your plant, give it a fever. Take a clone and incubate the entire clone in 110 degree heat just to the brink of killing your plant (better yet, take an apical meristem clip and incubate at a MUCH higher temp (150 degrees?) then tissue culture that bit of plant matter into a viable clone) then clone exponentially from that sanitary clone and hopefully all your future clones will be virus free."

It was posted by BlueDot some time ago.

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