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paper thorn · Apr 21, 2017

go check out the clip i posted in my last post mittensmitten.
it really says it like it is.

I'm repped out too R_L.
I think the key take away point in the clip is at about 2:30, right after Stone talks of the loss of millions of Trump voters.
He points out how Sessions is going against what Trump campaigned on. and talks about the hypocrisy of state's rights for some things, but not for MJ.
Then the real key point, that I have been harping on. at 2:36

Get involved.

I don't know who Derek Kitz is. Stone said he was putting together a coalition with this Kitz guy in the 8 states with legalized MJ to persuade the President that he's going the wrong direction here.

I think this is going to be THE group that I was hoping someone would put together.

I'll be supporting Roger Stone in this effort in any way I can.

And yes, i see the irony(is irony the right word?) of a Nixon guy being the one leading the charge to keep MJ legal. So many of us on the right, are really libertarians. (can i call it the alt-right? without the snide Hillary definitions you might associate with that term?)

and i know you guys must know who Stefanie Miller is? Left Wing Radio Talk Show Host?
She's very good and funny, and hot.
As Stephanie Miller said, and I most likely already quoted in this thread, "Libertarians are just Republicans who like to smoke pot."

But we also think McCain is a warmongering nut, and a RINO. We think Bush, both of them were not conservatives but globalists, as is mccamin and graham and speaker ryan, etc.
Funny, the biggest opposition to Trump comes from the RINOs
i typed more ,but lost it,
I'll support Stone and his coalition to persuade Trump to keep Sessions in line.
just one man's opinion.

Jhhnn · Apr 22, 2017

vta said:
I bet 5 bucks...Trump's gonna let the States do what the voters want as far as weed goes. I also bet that we are going to see an increase in Federal involvement as far as the black market is concerned.

Seems likely but he'll need to overrule the fascist tendencies of his hand picked subordinates & perhaps his own to do so.

The Feds have been breaking balls on carpetbagging growers who ship out of state here in CO. They work with the locals because it's also illegal under CO law. They'll probably expand that if Congress will pay for it.

mittensmitten said:
Now, Kelly is trumpeting the Sessions POV. What a bunch of Turds.. You cannot trust ONE word they say. If Trump is talking, LIES are emitting.

Trump is the world's greatest charlatan & bullshit artiste. Fascists gonna fascist whenever they can. Just remember-

I am your voice. Only I can fix it. I will restore law & order.

Tudo · Apr 22, 2017

Nice idea would be to simply look in a dictionary for words like "conservative", "liberal", "fascist", etc for reference.

SamsonsRiddle · Apr 23, 2017

Tudo said:
Nice idea would be to simply look in a dictionary for words like "conservative", "liberal", "fascist", etc for reference.

just don't look up the definition on google of fascist. It's kind of funny how google can change the meaning of a word in order to put make words mean whatever fits their agenda.

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/<input type="image" width="14" height="14">
noun
noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

<--google's definition

Definition of fascism

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

<--mirriam webster

So is communism fascism? Yes. Is communism right wing? No.

Google tries to deceive and control us again.

Jhhnn · Apr 23, 2017

SamsonsRiddle said:
just don't look up the definition on google of fascist. It's kind of funny how google can change the meaning of a word in order to put make words mean whatever fits their agenda.

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/<input type="image" width="14" height="14">
noun
noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

<--google's definition

Definition of fascism

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

<--mirriam webster

So is communism fascism? Yes. Is communism right wing? No.

Google tries to deceive and control us again.

Fascism is just one flavor of authoritarianism. When people say "fascism" it's just the short version of "right wing authoritarianism"-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

The subject is deeper than I pretend to understand terribly well but it's fairly well defined in Academia.

bombadil.360 · Apr 24, 2017

Jhhnn said:
Fascism is just one flavor of authoritarianism. When people say "fascism" it's just the short version of "right wing authoritarianism"-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism

The subject is deeper than I pretend to understand terribly well but it's fairly well defined in Academia.

Facism is not "right wing", quite the opposite, and it refers to corporativist totalitarian socialist italian ideologies from around ww2. Just as Nazism is also left-wing, nationalsocialism etc... the state goes against the banks and free enterprise etc...

Get a good dictionary people, Tudo hit the nail on the head...stop this tendency to re-write facts to conform to your romanticized ideologies.

Tudo · Apr 24, 2017

SamsonsRiddle said:
just don't look up the definition on google of fascist. It's kind of funny how google can change the meaning of a word in order to put make words mean whatever fits their agenda.

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/<input width="14" height="14" type="image">
noun
noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

<--google's definition

Definition of fascism

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

<--mirriam webster

So is communism fascism? Yes. Is communism right wing? No.

Google tries to deceive and control us again.

I never even considered looking for a definition on google but that's par for the course.

Was it Lenin was asked when there would be war and afterwards America would become socialist? The response was there would never be a war. All that needs to happen is to confuse language and then America would break down from the inside. That happened a long time ago and continues to this day.

Genghis Kush · Apr 24, 2017

bombadil.360 said:
Facism is not "right wing", quite the opposite, and it refers to corporativist totalitarian socialist italian ideologies from around ww2. Just as Nazism is also left-wing, nationalsocialism etc... the state goes against the banks and free enterprise etc...

Get a good dictionary people, Tudo hit the nail on the head...stop this tendency to re-write facts to conform to your romanticized ideologies.

you've been reading to much propaganda.
The Nazis where socialist in name but can hardly be classified as true socialists.
Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism and executed socialist even before they went after the jews.

And Hitler had this to say about the Left:

"We chose red for our posters after particular and careful deliberation, our intention being to irritate the Left, so as to arouse their attention and tempt them to come to our meetings – if only in order to break them up. " -Adolf Hitler

I think that in modern America the terms right wing and left wing are often used this way:

Right wing = justification of social hierarchy.
Left wing = promotion of social egalitarianism.

bombadil.360 · Apr 24, 2017

Genghis Kush said:
you've been reading to much propaganda.
The Nazis where socialist in name but can hardly be classified as true socialists.
Hitler and the Nazis outlawed socialism and executed socialist even before they went after the jews.

And Hitler had this to say about the Left:

"We chose red for our posters after particular and careful deliberation, our intention being to irritate the Left, so as to arouse their attention and tempt them to come to our meetings – if only in order to break them up. " -Adolf Hitler

I think that in modern America the terms right wing and left wing are often used this way:

Right wing = justification of social hierarchy.
Left wing = promotion of social egalitarianism.

Today is Holocaust Remembrance Day here in Israel btw, and I think we know a 'lil bit more about The National Socialist German Workers' Party (aka Nazis) than you do.

And again, you try to re-define what left and right mean in your post just to support your romantic idealizations, but what else is new at icmag?

knowing you, I bet you also think what is happening in Venezuela now is due to "evil right wing white men who want to destroy the beautiful socialist revolution" LOL...

Genghis Kush · Apr 24, 2017

bombadil.360 said:
Today is Holocaust Remembrance Day here in Israel btw, and I think we know a 'lil bit more about The National Socialist German Workers' Party (aka Nazis) than you do.

And again, you try to re-define what left and right mean in your post just to support your romantic idealizations, but what else is new at icmag?

knowing you, I bet you also think what is happening in Venezuela now is due to "evil right wing white men who want to destroy the beautiful socialist revolution" LOL...

Well, obviously you don't know or you wouldn't have made such a misinformed statement.

I wasn't redefining Left and Right, I was explaining how it is currently used currently in America because thats what this thread is about.

bombadil.360 · Apr 24, 2017

Genghis Kush said:
Well, obviously you don't know or you wouldn't have made such a misinformed statement.

I wasn't redefining Left and Right, I was explaining how it is currently used currently in America because thats what this thread is about.

Right and Left are economic positions adopted by politicians to try to run government in whatever (usually dumb) way they think it should be ran. These are universal definitions, they do not depend on how you think "america" is currently using those terms, and again, when you think you can interpret any term you want as liberally as you do, we side-track on threads and instead of discussing the subject, people need to actually point out that there are things called dictionaries... :comfort:

Genghis Kush · Apr 24, 2017

bombadil.360 said:
Right and Left are economic positions adopted by politicians to try to run government in whatever (usually dumb) way they think it should be ran. These are universal definitions, they do not depend on how you think "america" is currently using those terms, and again, when you think you can interpret any term you want as liberally as you do, we side-track on threads and instead of discussing the subject, people need to actually point out that there are things called dictionaries...

This is a conversation about America with Americans, so understanding how the words are used there is important.
We are discussing a social matter not economics and in America Left and Right are used to refer to a persons social liberalism or conservatism.

Jhhnn · Apr 24, 2017

bombadil.360 said:
Today is Holocaust Remembrance Day here in Israel btw, and I think we know a 'lil bit more about The National Socialist German Workers' Party (aka Nazis) than you do.

And again, you try to re-define what left and right mean in your post just to support your romantic idealizations, but what else is new at icmag?

knowing you, I bet you also think what is happening in Venezuela now is due to "evil right wing white men who want to destroy the beautiful socialist revolution" LOL...

You, sir, are the one trying to redefine Left & Right to suit your agenda. Political scientists & social scientists recognize fascism as a manifestation of right wing authoritarianism, a term developed by psychologists.

There are certainly extremists across the political spectrum, but most psychologists now believe that authoritarianism is a predominantly right-wing phenomenon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism#Right_and_Left

Israel knows more about Fascism than anybody else? Maybe so. Ask the Palestinians in the occupied territories.

bombadil.360 · Apr 24, 2017

Jhhnn said:
You, sir, are the one trying to redefine Left & Right to suit your agenda. Political scientists & social scientists recognize fascism as a manifestation of right wing authoritarianism, a term developed by psychologists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism#Right_and_Left

Israel knows more about Fascism than anybody else? Maybe so. Ask the Palestinians in the occupied territories.

Never again Jhhnny boy, never again, not from europeans, fakestinians, or anyone else, no more train rides for us, you can moan and whine all you want though lol...

Cannavore · Apr 24, 2017

- Fascism is the extreme right wing

- The Nazi party were fascists that co-opted the worker/socialist party (can't remember the partys name) to gain power. In other words they ran on a platform of socialism only to get elected. Once in power they executed all the socialists and outlawed the ideology, and the rest is history. Calling nazis leftists is like calling North Korea a democracy.

- Political definitions are not universal. In the US for example, we have no real liberal party as both main parties have ideologically shifted to the right and serve the interests of the elite, call that oligarchy, corporatism, whatever. Definitely not libertarian leftist though.
Mainstream democrats are what Republicans were 20-30yrs ago. Figures like the Clintons and Obamas are socially liberal centrists aka bill clinton era "new democrats" aka neoliberal.
Mainstream republicans are borderline fascist and not a parliamentary party any longer.

- The term Socialism has always been co-opted throughout history in the countries that tried it. What most people think is socialism is really just state capitalist uber tyrannical bureaucracies like the soviet union for example.

Jhhnn · Apr 24, 2017

bombadil.360 said:
Never again Jhhnny boy, never again, not from europeans, fakestinians, or anyone else, no more train rides for us, you can moan and whine all you want though lol...

Oh, I get it. Being a fascist isn't a problem. Being on the wrong side of it is the only real problem.

You don't have much to worry about from America. We have an irrational emotional attachment to Israel, fueled by a self imposed guilt trip over the Holocaust & continuous reinforcement by the Israel lobby & legions of Hasbara trolls. When you say that you have to keep stealing Palestinians' shit & your boot on their necks to protect yourselves, we'll believe you.

Hell- we're goofy enough to make Trump President so you can probably sell us on damned near anything.

Tudo · Apr 24, 2017

And this is why the same stupid mistakes are made over and over and over again .

subrob · Apr 25, 2017

bombadil.360 said:
Today is Holocaust Remembrance Day here in Israel btw, and I think we know a 'lil bit more about The National Socialist German Workers' Party (aka Nazis) than you do.

You also knew a 'lil bit more about California then Californians when you were all over the place pushing suckers to vote for our shitty legalization bill
Is there anything you don't know more about than anyone else?

Tudo · Apr 25, 2017

Try this
https://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php

bombadil.360 · Apr 25, 2017

Jhhnn said:
Oh, I get it. Being a fascist isn't a problem. Being on the wrong side of it is the only real problem.

You don't have much to worry about from America. We have an irrational emotional attachment to Israel, fueled by a self imposed guilt trip over the Holocaust & continuous reinforcement by the Israel lobby & legions of Hasbara trolls. When you say that you have to keep stealing Palestinians' shit & your boot on their necks to protect yourselves, we'll believe you.

Hell- we're goofy enough to make Trump President so you can probably sell us on damned near anything.

Oh poor palestinians, they only want to kill Jews and them evil Zionist don't let them; what has the world come to, uh Jhhnn? You can't even do a good old pogrom on Jews anymore, no freedom left, Zionist bastards! LOL!!!

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