Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 28, 2018

Oh yeah - Peer Review is also the system that led to the enormous Piltdown Man evolutionary fraud that derailed human evolutionary research for the entire first half of the 20th century.

"In November 1953, authorities of the British Natural History Museum announced these findings and publicly called Piltdown Man a fraud."

https://www.history.com/news/piltdown-man-hoax-100-years-ago

Every single time some great scientific scam is perpetrated on people by Academics, they get their fake papers stamped as authorized by the Political Review system.

Many, in fact most most people, in most fields, especially technical fields, are actually allowed to recommend the referees for their own papers.

The reason it's a staple of Peer Review is because it's able to have papers pushed through politically: claiming ''Only a few people involved in a field can read the field's literature well enough to understand it.''

1G12 · Oct 28, 2018

TychoMonolyth said:
Keep in mind that while we have been putting out every little fire, undergrowth is building up and contributing fuel to super fires.

Quite true. It for sure is compounding the problem.

However, warming temps and the drying of the fuel load really helps things take off once ignited because it burns hotter. I live in an area that has been heavily impacted by wild fires over the last year or so and this is what the firefighters have been saying repeatedly since they are the ones witnessing fire behavior first hand.
I know several people who had their homes and everything they own turned to ash. Boy, don't tell me there isn't a cost to climate change.

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 28, 2018

Fortunately for you right now there is no climate change.

The base climate parameters of our planet were first calculated and published by the French in 1 8 6 4.

These base values for global average Temperature, Pressure, Humidity and general composition were checked and compared to ever greater number of instruments traveling throughout the Atmosphere all through the late 1800s,

into the early motorized Aviation age, through WWI the subsequent years of instrumentation refinement and then through WWII.

Finally in 1952 the entire world agreed that the climate values for Earth are indeed those first calculated in 1864 and adopted globally

the International Standard Atmosphere as the values against which the world's instruments and apparatus were calibrated regulated and warrantied.

Millions of instrument readings went into adoption worldwide of these known-good, static climate values.

In 1 9 7 6 the Americans re-issued the world's global Standard Atmospheric climate values with additional information extending them up another couple of hundred thousand feet as the

American Standard Atmosphere

so nations new to orbital flight could have computer-accurate climate values anywhere in Earth's climate system to compare and use as input for their instruments and equipment.

1G12 said:
Quite true. It for sure is compounding the problem.

However, warming temps and the drying of the fuel load really helps things take off once ignited because it burns hotter. I live in an area that has been heavily impacted by wild fires over the last year or so and this is what the firefighters have been saying repeatedly since they are the ones witnessing fire behavior first hand.
I know several people who had their homes and everything they own turned to ash. Boy, don't tell me there isn't a cost to climate change.

When the entire world abandons the base climate values against which we calibrate all our instruments and warranty everything we manufacture globally that makes heat, uses air, creates vacuum or pressure,

every single scientific course on Earth regarding any of that

from Welding
and Scuba
and Air Conditioning
to Aerospace Engineering,

will be revised to note that the climate of the planet no longer matched the computer-verified values our space age's instruments have determined are correct.

Till then you've simply been lied to by the same people who told you the cold light blocking Nitrogen atmospheric bath

cooling the planet nearly 30% as the very first step of calculating Earth surface temperature,

has magic insulation in it making more light come out of the planet

every time the magical insulation makes less go in.

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 28, 2018

This is the correctly calculated, computer-verified, known-good temperature of the surface of our Planet:

https://goo.gl/gtMtih

That temperature is 288 Kelvin.

This is a KOOK from your church, telling you he calculated the temperature of the planet not needing to use gas law to do it

and coming up 33 degrees short:

https://goo.gl/JD8sPF

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 28, 2018

Here's another FAKE from the church of "Less energy going in makes more come out"
claiming he can calculate average surface temperature of Earth not using gas law,

coming up 33 degrees short.

https://goo.gl/sqRndB

Here again is the ACTUAL process
using the ACTUAL Gas Law
arriving at it's ACTUAL surface temperature, 288 Kelvin:

https://goo.gl/ngBkoP

Radiation Thermodynamics: the field my Bachelor's Degree in
Radiation Communications Electronic Engineering, is based in:
calculated surface temperature of Planet Earth: 286 deg. Kelvin
using an ad hoc Solar Constant, a little lower than Standard,
resolving two Kelvin short of Standard Surface Temperature.

https://goo.gl/U7bBno

1G12 · Oct 28, 2018

By the Way...

By the Way...

Currently, NASA says the ice sheets are losing a combined 413 gigatonnes per year with Greenland losing 286 gigatonnes and Antarctica losing 127 Gigatonnes per year.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 29, 2018

By the Way....

By the Way....

N.A.S.A. has been caught lying to you about the fact CO2 can warm AIR: it can't, REAL gas law for resolving the REAL temperature of the planet,

assigns CO2 the LOWER Energy Constant in the SOLE CHART of MATHEMATICS assigning them each one.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-capacity-gases-d_159.html

They've also been caught TELLING YOU THE WRONG TEMPERATURE of the PLANET SURFACE.

The ACTUAL planet surface temperature is 288 Kelvin.

Not the 33-degrees SHORT 255 Kelvin your church told you is the temperature of the planets's surface.

1G12 said:
Currently, NASA says the ice sheets are losing a combined 413 gigatonnes per year with Greenland losing 286 gigatonnes and Antarctica losing 127 Gigatonnes per year.

https://climate.nasa.gov/

They also LIED to you about the Antarctic Ice Sheet melting.

Earlier this year:

https://www.thecommentator.com/arti...earch_shows_antarctic_ice_growing_not_melting

"New Antarctic Research shows Antarctic Ice growing not melting"

5 years ago: "N.A.S.A. LYING: ANTARCTICA NOT MELTING: ICE LEVELS at RECORD HIGH"

https://www.mrc.org/articles/antarctica-not-melting-ice-levels-record-high

"Article re-named to "Antarctic Ice at Lowest Levels" after 4 years,

after being ORIGINALLY NAMED ''Antarctic Sea Ice at RECORD 35 year HIGHS'' due to political pressure.

https://goo.gl/CvF1kZ

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

Ignignokt · Oct 29, 2018

Wow YAMAHA.... you really seem to be on an important mission here....
Why don't you take your crucial findings somewhere higher up to put the world on the right track?
Drop some knowledge on the powers that be, maybe you can find them at a flat earth meeting?

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 29, 2018

Government Scientists Discover Pot's Like Heroin and worse...

Government Scientists Discover Pot's Like Heroin and worse...

Government Employees discover Pot's like Heroin and worse for you than a Methamphetamine needle hanging out of your arm:

https://goo.gl/chpbq7

Top Government Officials in Obama Administration INSIST THE SCIENCE IS SOUND: POT like HEROIN more DANGEROUS than METHAMPHETAMINE ADDICTION.

"Drug Enforcement Administration chief Chuck Rosenberg says the decision is rooted in science.

Rosenberg gave "enormous weight" to conclusions by the Food and Drug Administration that marijuana has "no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States,"

"Thim guvurmint fellurs dun sed" isn't debate.

"Thim guvurmint fellurs cain't be rawng!" isn't reason.

"Thim's guvurmint fellurs what coodn't nevur LyE two Us'ns!" isn't scientific evidence.

It's humming that "That greasy Government authority dong sliding in and out of one's gullible neck, sure feels soothing, and tastes delicious."

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 29, 2018

Science discovers sexuality not a mental illness in 1973

Science discovers sexuality not a mental illness in 1973

In a stunning discovery, scientists declared that homosexuality is not a mental illness in 1973.

1G12 do you assert that before 1973

"Cawse guvurmint fellurs, with bow ties and thair on parkin playsis at werk has dun sed so, yaW!"

homosexuality was a mental illness
until they suddenly "DECLARED" it wasn't

in '73?

All your arguments involve the desperate leg-hump of authority worship.

By extension of your logic, Pot's like Heroin and worse for people than meth-amphetamine, "Cawse thim guvurmint fellurs dun sed, and I beleave!"

And anything but straight missionary sex was mental illness before 1973 too "Cawse signtsie, signtsie fellurs what noes, dun sed!''

Authority worship is the last resort of the debunked, transparent fraud who can't give the FIRST REASON for believing what they say.

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 29, 2018

Why don't you put up some evidence you think proves magic insulation makes more energy come out of a rock every time it makes less go in?

Ignignokt said:
Wow YAMAHA.... you really seem to be on an important mission here....
Why don't you take your crucial findings somewhere higher up to put the world on the right track?
Drop some knowledge on the powers that be, maybe you can find them at a flat earth meeting?

Speaking of your church's teachings about the Earth being flat,

your church's leadership base their claim magical insulation makes more energy come out of what it makes less go into,

using a flat Earth model.

"NASA Flat Earth climate change model - December 2016"

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/12445

"Flat Earth NASA Model for Carbon Dioxide published by NASA GISS,endorsed by Flat Earth Society."

https://goo.gl/VfRcmn

Astrophysicist reveals

"ALL NASA CLIMATE MODELS BASED on FLAT-EARTH style PSEUDO-SCIENCE"

https://climateofsophistry.com/2016/11/05/climate-alarm-is-flat-earth-pseudoscience/

"The Flat Earther CONgregation"

"Climate alarm, and most of the field of climate (pseudo)science itself, is based on the postulate of a radiative greenhouse effect.

Where does the idea of a radiative greenhouse effect come from? Where was it invented? How was it derived?

It was from this:"

Flat Earth GH Effect Standard Model.jpg:

https://climateofsophistry.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/greenhouse.jpg

Flat-Earth Green House Effect Standard Model:

https://climateofsophistry.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/flat-earth-ghe.jpg

"We Finally Agree With Flat-Earthers About Something"

https://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/we-finally-agree-with-flatearthers-about-something/

You and the other Flat-Earthers who don't even know the right temperature of the planet's surface all agree:

Magical Insulation makes more than 100% of available sunlight energy come back out of the planet by making 30% less go in.

:laughing:

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 29, 2018

Even the IPCC fully acknowledges what creates warmth and cooling, globally.

"Orbital Forcing"

"Changes in eccentricity, longitude of perihelion (related to precession)

and axial tilt (obliquity)

predominantly affect the seasonal and the latitudinal distribution and magnitude of solar energy received at the top of the atmosphere,

and the durations and intensities of local seasons.

Obliquity also modulates the annual mean insolation at any given latitude, with opposite effects at high and low latitudes.

Orbital forcing

is c.o.n.s.i.d.e.r.e.d.

the p.a.c.e.m.a.k.e.r.

of transitions

between glacials and interglacials.

I.P.C.C. physical basis report 5.2.1.1, 2013

1G12 · Oct 29, 2018

Ignignokt said:
Wow YAMAHA.... you really seem to be on an important mission here....
Why don't you take your crucial findings somewhere higher up to put the world on the right track?
Drop some knowledge on the powers that be, maybe you can find them at a flat earth meeting?

The flat earth meeting is going on between his ears. :biggrin:

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 29, 2018

We just all read the information from your literature, that that's E.X.a.C.T.L.Y. what's going on between yours.

1G12 said:
The flat earth meeting is going on between his ears.

They agree with your flat earth model telling you the wrong temperature of the planet surface,

and they agree whole heartedly with you, that there must be magic insulation

making more than 100% of the available energy of the sun come out of the planet surface, by making nearly 30% go in,

to explain why you're both wrong about the surface temperature of the planet being 255 Kelvin

when your flat-earth models erroneously calculate it to be 255 Kelvin, refusing to use gas law.

University of Washington Flat-Earth GHE model.jpg

https://goo.gl/a4Yyyt

Harvard University Flat-Earth GHE model.jpg

https://goo.gl/mG1sP7

D'oH!

Those are your models arriving at the wrong temperature for the planet's surface and atmosphere.

The ones FORMALLY ENDORSED by the FLAT-EARTH SOCIETY leader MARK SARGENT.

https://goo.gl/VfRcmn

Hashtag: #SAMETEAM "NASA Flat Earth climate change model - December 2016 - Mark Sargent"

"This is my personal declaration of war from Flat Earth against mainstream science. I, Mark Sargent, hereby put forth a challenge to any university, foreign or domestic, to debate or discuss the Flat Earth reality. "

Don't try to project your "Flat-Earth Society Endorsement" on real science.

We're the ones who caught you not even knowing the right temperature of the planet.

"Aerospace Engineering: Calculating the Standard Atmosphere."

https://goo.gl/j3AS7a

"And at 0 altitude, mean sea level, we have the temperature of ...288.15 Kelvin.''

YOU and the FLAT-EARTH SOCIETY: Hashtag: #SAMETEAM. By the Flat-Earth Society, themselves.

:laughing:

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 29, 2018

Your movement has finally made it. You're officially endorsed by the Flat-Earth Society in a challenge to "mainstream-science'' using YOUR flat-earth models,

to have us

come TRY and DEBUNK

Y.o.u.R.

Flat-Earth models !

"Open challenge to Main-Stream Science, come debunk your

Flat-Earth models."

Signed, "The FLaT-EaRTH SoCiETY!"

:laughing:

LoL!

Ignignokt · Oct 29, 2018

I'm no scientist but i'm not religious either....
I just choose to believe the overwhelming scientific consensus that we are a major factor in climate change rather than some guy that keeps repeating the same thing while trying to insult people on a herb forum.
The scientific community isn't just one country or one religion, it has atheist's and agnostics, gay straight, CRAZY, boring.... all walks of life.
Carrying on about peoples church says more about you than anyone else. :comfort:

1G12 · Oct 29, 2018

The human fingerprint on global warming(with citations)

The human fingerprint on global warming(with citations)

It is well established that increasing greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane will warm the earth's lower atmosphere (troposphere). It is also well established that present day concentrations of these two greenhouse gases have been measured at higher levels than those observed over the previous hundreds of thousands of years. Furthermore, the concentration rate is increasing. Where is all of this carbon dioxide coming from?

According to Mann & Kump (2009), the IPCC (2007), Ghosh & Brand (2003), Ruddiman (2001), and others:
Carbon in the air is made up of the isotope 12C (99%), the isotope 13C (1%), and 14C (1 per trillion)

Plants prefer to uptake 12C over 13C during photosynthesis. The 13C/12C ratio in plants is 2% lower than the atmospheric 13C/12C ratio.( See: MIETABOLIC FRACTIONATION OF C13 & C12 IN PLANTS

By: RODERIC PARK & SAMUEL EPSTEIN

DIVISION OF GEOLOGICAL SCIENCES, CAL TECH, PASADENA )

Fossil fuels are derived from ancient plants so they have same low 13C/12C ratio.

Therefore, fossil fuel emissions (burning ancient plants) releases more 12C resulting in a DECREASED 13C/12C ratio.
Dissolved ocean carbon has the same 13C/12C ratio as the atmosphere.

Since the Industrial Revolution, 13C/12C has been decreasing -- fossil fuels and land clearance are the primary sources for the extraordinary carbon levels in the atmosphere. Oceans cannot be the source for these emissions.

This proves that the extra carbon in the atmosphere is coming from human activities.

armedoldhippy · Oct 29, 2018

"but... but... but...all of those people you cited are members of the same church! you know the ones. that group of folks that dedicated their lives to keep millionaires from becoming billionaires by digging up every inch of the planet in search of something to sell. it's the pursuit of happiness man...why worry about the planet? we're all gonna die someday anyway. what's it to you if their happiness shortens your lifespan?" :dance013:

paradoxlost · Oct 29, 2018

Yamaha FG-840 said:
Fortunately for you right now there is no climate change.

The base climate parameters of our planet were first calculated and published by the French in 1 8 6 4.

These base values for global average Temperature, Pressure, Humidity and general composition were checked and compared to ever greater number of instruments traveling throughout the Atmosphere all through the late 1800s,

into the early motorized Aviation age, through WWI the subsequent years of instrumentation refinement and then through WWII.

Finally in 1952 the entire world agreed that the climate values for Earth are indeed those first calculated in 1864 and adopted globally

the International Standard Atmosphere as the values against which the world's instruments and apparatus were calibrated regulated and warrantied.

Millions of instrument readings went into adoption worldwide of these known-good, static climate values.

In 1 9 7 6 the Americans re-issued the world's global Standard Atmospheric climate values with additional information extending them up another couple of hundred thousand feet as the

American Standard Atmosphere

so nations new to orbital flight could have computer-accurate climate values anywhere in Earth's climate system to compare and use as input for their instruments and equipment.

When the entire world abandons the base climate values against which we calibrate all our instruments and warranty everything we manufacture globally that makes heat, uses air, creates vacuum or pressure,

every single scientific course on Earth regarding any of that

from Welding
and Scuba
and Air Conditioning
to Aerospace Engineering,

will be revised to note that the climate of the planet no longer matched the computer-verified values our space age's instruments have determined are correct.

Till then you've simply been lied to by the same people who told you the cold light blocking Nitrogen atmospheric bath

cooling the planet nearly 30% as the very first step of calculating Earth surface temperature,

has magic insulation in it making more light come out of the planet

every time the magical insulation makes less go in.

bull shit standards are derived from core samples that go back a million years or so.

Yamaha FG-840 · Oct 29, 2018

And the Flath Earth Society uses your Flat-Earth Models as their example of why the earth's flat.

Ignignokt said:
I'm no scientist but i'm not religious either....
I just choose to believe the overwhelming scientific consensus that we are a major factor in climate change rather than some guy that keeps repeating the same thing while trying to insult people on a herb forum.
The scientific community isn't just one country or one religion, it has atheist's and agnostics, gay straight, CRAZY, boring.... all walks of life.
Carrying on about peoples church says more about you than anyone else.

Their challenge to the world uses your Flat-Earth models.

#SAMETEAM
NASA Flat Earth climate change model - December 2016 - Mark Sargent

"New Flat-Earth Climate Change Model from Youtube Channel NASA GODDARD"

Mark Sargent, Flat-Earth Society:

This is my personal declaration of war from Flat Earth against mainstream science. I, Mark Sargent, hereby put forth a challenge to any university, foreign or domestic, to debate or discuss the Flat Earth reality."

Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

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