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Every Black Hole Contains a New Universe

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INSIDE SCIENCE MINDS
Every Black Hole Contains a New Universe






At the center of spiral galaxy M81 is a supermassive black hole about 70 million times more massive than our sun.
Image credit: NASA/CXC/Wisconsin/D.Pooley & CfA/A.Zezas;NASA/ESA/CfA/A.Zezas; NASA/JPL-Caltech/CfA/J.Huchra et al.; NASA/JPL-Caltech/CfA
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A physicist presents a solution to present-day cosmic mysteries.
Originally published: May 17 2012 - 1:15pm
By: Nikodem Poplawski, Inside Science Minds Guest Columnist
Inside Science Minds presents an ongoing series of guest columnists and personal perspectives presented by scientists, engineers, mathematicians, and others in the science community showcasing some of the most interesting ideas in science today.

(ISM) -- Our universe may exist inside a black hole. This may sound strange, but it could actually be the best explanation of how the universe began, and what we observe today. It's a theory that has been explored over the past few decades by a small group of physicists including myself.

Successful as it is, there are notable unsolved questions with the standard big bang theory, which suggests that the universe began as a seemingly impossible "singularity," an infinitely small point containing an infinitely high concentration of matter, expanding in size to what we observe today. The theory of inflation, a super-fast expansion of space proposed in recent decades, fills in many important details, such as why slight lumps in the concentration of matter in the early universe coalesced into large celestial bodies such as galaxies and clusters of galaxies.

But these theories leave major questions unresolved. For example: What started the big bang? What caused inflation to end? What is the source of the mysterious dark energy that is apparently causing the universe to speed up its expansion?

The idea that our universe is entirely contained within a black hole provides answers to these problems and many more. It eliminates the notion of physically impossible singularities in our universe. And it draws upon two central theories in physics.

The first is general relativity, the modern theory of gravity. It describes the universe at the largest scales. Any event in the universe occurs as a point in space and time, or spacetime. A massive object such as the Sun distorts or "curves" spacetime, like a bowling ball sitting on a canvas. The Sun's gravitational dent alters the motion of Earth and the other planets orbiting it. The sun's pull of the planets appears to us as the force of gravity.

The second is quantum mechanics, which describes the universe at the smallest scales, such as the level of the atom. However, quantum mechanics and general relativity are currently separate theories; physicists have been striving to combine the two successfully into a single theory of "quantum gravity" to adequately describe important phenomena, including the behavior of subatomic particles in black holes.

A 1960s adaptation of general relativity, called the Einstein-Cartan-Sciama-Kibble theory of gravity, takes into account effects from quantum mechanics. It not only provides a step towards quantum gravity but also leads to an alternative picture of the universe. This variation of general relativity incorporates an important quantum property known as spin. Particles such as atoms and electrons possess spin, or the internal angular momentum that is analogous to a skater spinning on ice.

In this picture, spins in particles interact with spacetime and endow it with a property called "torsion." To understand torsion, imagine spacetime not as a two-dimensional canvas, but as a flexible, one-dimensional rod. Bending the rod corresponds to curving spacetime, and twisting the rod corresponds to spacetime torsion. If a rod is thin, you can bend it, but it's hard to see if it's twisted or not.

Spacetime torsion would only be significant, let alone noticeable, in the early universe or in black holes. In these extreme environments, spacetime torsion would manifest itself as a repulsive force that counters the attractive gravitational force coming from spacetime curvature. As in the standard version of general relativity, very massive stars end up collapsing into black holes: regions of space from which nothing, not even light, can escape.

Here is how torsion would play out in the beginning moments of our universe. Initially, the gravitational attraction from curved space would overcome torsion's repulsive forces, serving to collapse matter into smaller regions of space. But eventually torsion would become very strong and prevent matter from compressing into a point of infinite density; matter would reach a state of extremely large but finite density. As energy can be converted into mass, the immensely high gravitational energy in this extremely dense state would cause an intense production of particles, greatly increasing the mass inside the black hole.

The increasing numbers of particles with spin would result in higher levels of spacetime torsion. The repulsive torsion would stop the collapse and would create a "big bounce" like a compressed beach ball that snaps outward. The rapid recoil after such a big bounce could be what has led to our expanding universe. The result of this recoil matches observations of the universe's shape, geometry, and distribution of mass.

In turn, the torsion mechanism suggests an astonishing scenario: every black hole would produce a new, baby universe inside. If that is true, then the first matter in our universe came from somewhere else. So our own universe could be the interior of a black hole existing in another universe. Just as we cannot see what is going on inside black holes in the cosmos, any observers in the parent universe could not see what is going on in ours.

The motion of matter through the black hole's boundary, called an "event horizon," would only happen in one direction, providing a direction of time that we perceive as moving forward. The arrow of time in our universe would therefore be inherited, through torsion, from the parent universe.

Torsion could also explain the observed imbalance between matter and antimatter in the universe. Because of torsion, matter would decay into familiar electrons and quarks, and antimatter would decay into "dark matter," a mysterious invisible form of matter that appears to account for a majority of matter in the universe.

Finally, torsion could be the source of "dark energy," a mysterious form of energy that permeates all of space and increases the rate of expansion of the universe. Geometry with torsion naturally produces a "cosmological constant," a sort of added-on outward force which is the simplest way to explain dark energy. Thus, the observed accelerating expansion of the universe may end up being the strongest evidence for torsion.

Torsion therefore provides a theoretical foundation for a scenario in which the interior of every black hole becomes a new universe. It also appears as a remedy to several major problems of current theory of gravity and cosmology. Physicists still need to combine the Einstein-Cartan-Sciama-Kibble theory fully with quantum mechanics into a quantum theory of gravity. While resolving some major questions, it raises new ones of its own. For example, what do we know about the parent universe and the black hole inside which our own universe resides? How many layers of parent universes would we have? How can we test that our universe lives in a black hole?

The last question can potentially be investigated: since all stars and thus black holes rotate, our universe would have inherited the parent black hole’s axis of rotation as a "preferred direction." There is some recently reported evidence from surveys of over 15,000 galaxies that in one hemisphere of the universe more spiral galaxies are "left-handed", or rotating clockwise, while in the other hemisphere more are "right-handed", or rotating counterclockwise. In any case, I believe that including torsion in geometry of spacetime is a right step towards a successful theory of cosmology.
 

Mia

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I thought it had been determined that the universe isn't rotating.
If it is then time travel is possible per Godel's general relativity solutions.
Pretty crazy.

Nevermind those solutions are for universes with the additional condition of no hubble expansion, unlike us, crap.
 

Happy 7

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So these other universes have much much less mass than even our small galaxy?

M81's super massive 70m solar masses black hole is like nothing compared to just our galaxy's estimated mass of 5.8×10^11 solar masses.

Our universe exists in a black hole, contains galaxies that contain black holes that contain other universes... I don't think so.
 

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Anything is possible in the omegaverse. I think NASA launched some blackhole hunting satellite couple days ago.
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^they back it up pretty well. these are not just hippies making some guess.

Back it up? How so?
Do they explain how the black hole we sit in came to be?
Do they explain how massive the star (in our 'parent' universe) must have been whose collapse created the black hole our universe is in?
Are stars that size even possible? What about the parent universe's black hole creating star and so on?
Nikodem's theory solves the problem of 'unstable' singularities but at some point the infinite masses needed to keep this theory going will come around full circle.
 

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Basically yes they do. To me it sounds like you didn't quit understand what they were getting at when they were explaining torsion.
 
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i guess i don't understand what a black hole is ... how can there be a black hole inside a black hole, with the possibility of an infinite progression? event horizon must be a trivial aspect of the black hole.

time to get lost in Wiki ... good thread, thanks.
 
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texsativa

Back it up? How so?
Do they explain how the black hole we sit in came to be?
Do they explain how massive the star (in our 'parent' universe) must have been whose collapse created the black hole our universe is in?
Are stars that size even possible? What about the parent universe's black hole creating star and so on?
Nikodem's theory solves the problem of 'unstable' singularities but at some point the infinite masses needed to keep this theory going will come around full circle.

Multiple, continual dimensions, for lack of a better term? But you're right, where did it all come from?
 

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So our own universe could be the interior of a black hole existing in another universe.
EXACTLY. I can't believe it's taken them this long to figure out what I was able to intuit myself decades ago...

As above, so below... Microcosm/Macrocosm, it's all the same.

Now, what about all those "black holes" that exist right inside of us? Enough to fill the Albert Hall, I presume...

This is an excellent solution for the Theory of Everything. I've been waiting for them to realize that reality is like the dragon eating it's own tail...Ouroboros.

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Wikipedia said:
The Ouroboros often represents self-reflexivity or cyclicality, especially in the sense of something constantly re-creating itself, the eternal return, and other things perceived as cycles that begin anew as soon as they end (compare with phoenix). It can also represent the idea of primordial unity related to something existing in or persisting from the beginning with such force or qualities it cannot be extinguished.

So the mystics have been right all along!

Yes, black holes are perhaps the most interesting "objects" in the universe, because they hide something remarkable. They are obviously a rebirthing of matter from this universe into another we cannot see or measure.

That we too exist in a black hole that is our "universe" makes perfect sense. And their explanation of universal expansion due to torsion of the tiniest particles also makes perfect sense.

So when matter is pulled into a black hole, it doesn't disappear (never thought that), it just appears somewhere else that we can't see, hence another universe.

Now they just need to figure out why some black holes (quasars) emit intense beams of energy as the matter enters the black hole. They need to look at what happens to quantum particles when they enter a black hole for the answer, imo.

I also see this in terms of Yin-Yang. Our visible universe is Yang, the invisible one, the one where black holes lead is the Yin. We can all relate to Yin being a hole, yes? ;)
Are we not born into this universe via a "black hole"? So why should it be any different for other forms of matter? Again, as above, so below.
HA! I was just envisioning how a fetus twists itself around prior to birth, creating "torsion" in the womb, causing it to eventually be repelled by the mother...

So our universe maintains some sort of balance, one we can not yet understand. Matter and Energy interchange but remain in some kind of stasis, imo.

Excellent article, HZ!
 
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since all stars and thus black holes rotate, our universe would have inherited the parent black hole’s axis of rotation as a "preferred direction." There is some recently reported evidence from surveys of over 15,000 galaxies that in one hemisphere of the universe more spiral galaxies are "left-handed", or rotating clockwise, while in the other hemisphere more are "right-handed", or rotating counterclockwise. In any case, I believe that including torsion in geometry of spacetime is a right step towards a successful theory of cosmology.
And this is analogous to weather patterns in the hemispheres of the Earth and the Coriolis effect. (Which way does YOUR cosmic toilet flush?)

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This theory keeps getting better and better at explaining a lot of unexplained phenomena including gravity, string theory, multiple universes, micro=macrocosms, black holes, etc.

There's still a long way to go before they discover the unified field theory. Until there is more subjective research done, not just objective research, they will continue to miss the boat... Scientists are too focused on the Yang, and have barely begun to understand the Yin even exists but this is a step in the right direction. The answers must be intuited, they won't come by observation of the physical universe.

Humans will never travel Interstellar distances, nor discover unlimited harmless power, nor become masters of the universe, much less save their own species if they don't get the answers to these cosmic questions, some of which should be obvious by now. Scientists are too wedded to the Scientific Method to sense what's right in front of them (and inside them), but invisible.

Hey I got it! Black Holes = Cosmic Toilets

Once it disappears past the event horizon, we don't want to know anything about it, right?

Yet that shit sure does go somewhere...

So does that mean when a cosmic toilet gets flushed it turns into a Quasar? Or is that what happens when it backs up?
 

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Hey I got it! Black Holes = Cosmic Toilets

Once it disappears past the event horizon, we don't want to know anything about it, right?

Yet that shit sure does go somewhere...

So does that mean when a cosmic toilet gets flushed it turns into a Quasar? Or is that what happens when it backs up?

so the big question becomes.............who has the giant plunger
 
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TribalSeeds

Back it up? How so?
Do they explain how the black hole we sit in came to be?
Do they explain how massive the star (in our 'parent' universe) must have been whose collapse created the black hole our universe is in?
Are stars that size even possible? What about the parent universe's black hole creating star and so on?
Nikodem's theory solves the problem of 'unstable' singularities but at some point the infinite masses needed to keep this theory going will come around full circle.

When two galaxies collide their black holes become one massive black hole. Or so they say
 
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It really doesn't matter.....

Repeat after me...

I really doesn't matte....
 
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