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Old 04-16-2018, 06:47 AM #31
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NPK breakdown on those earlier listed solutions

10 gallon Flower/veg base 1-2-1 balanced

N 95
P 100 (227 p205)
K 101 (122 k20)
Mg 37
Ca 300
S 80
Fe 0 (plenty from compost)
Zn 1
B .5
Cu 1
Mn 1.5
Mo .25
Si 40

Veg base High N

N 160
P 106 (241 p205)
K 115 (139 p205)
Mg 32
Ca 300
S 68
Fe 0
Zn 1
B .5
Cu 1
Mn 1.5
Mo .25
Si 60

PK boost

N 0
P 100 (227 p205)
K 100 (121 k20)
Mg 0
Ca 0
S 50
Fe 0
Zn .29
B .25
Cu .21
Mn .33
Mo .12
Si 0

BSG, what do you set your micros at?

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Old 04-16-2018, 06:50 AM #32
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Yep- unless I fed those worms myself, I can't trust it. There's only 1500 other sources of N or bacteria. I think the neem meal is groovy, though.
We have a worm farm in my area that pushes product in any garden related store it can... highest Mg and Na I have ever witnessed from castings... So many people chasing their tale by purchasing a "good local" product...
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For the blend at work (peat/perlite) we use the kelp4less micro pack + whatever stage of bloom mix- not sure where those get us, but the micro is roughly-
Mn - 3.6 ppm~
Fe/Mg - 7 ppm~
B/Mo - ? but it's not nearly enough. I find boron def all the time by week 4.


At home, coco/perlite, Jacks/Everis Peters 5-11-26 equivalent. (ppm)
Fe - 3
Mn - .5
Zn - .15
Cu - .15
B - .5
Mo - .1
However I use slightly less than the label rate so those numbers are a little high. For coco, it's dope. No issues with those metals/things are super healthy.

For the soil/coco/compost in the back yard we're building I want to use the BioAg TM7 they have at customhydro.
Sulfur(S)..................... ...2%
Copper (Cu)............0.31%
Boron (B).................0.37%
Iron (FE)......................1.2%
Cobalt (Co).............0.05%
Manganese (Mn)......1.2%
Molybdenum (M0)..0.1%
Zinc.......................... ......0.7%

I like that Fe:Mn, copper should be under 2ppm, and it's affordable at a gram/gallon

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Old 04-16-2018, 05:16 PM #34
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I mainly run into some trace or N shortages in mid flower.

I don't run a cootz mix. I am heavy in casting just because the worms have been chewing threw it for years.

I stay all of except a little cal N in early veg to get them going.

I'll post up my dry mix later. I don't focused on traces (something I need to work out more).

Went I have more time I post my methods. I'm trying to take from the "notill" world and mix it with nutrient dense practices. I have been trying to gain better insight to this for years and have reading or have been to seminars of the big agronomist.

I find the exact targeting of minerals to be a difficult task. Labs are all over the place, soils are different and our peat based mixes are something different.

I do believe and agree with all the ratio that people are using. I boost mn b Ca all the tricks to get the plant healthy and well feed. I just believe the microbes have a huge role in this and I try and mind them as much as possible.
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I do admire your guys math and the ratios you have come up with.

You guys have summed up some equations I was trying to figure out about density, ppm and ratios.

Thanks for that.
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Vortex,have you ever tested your containers?
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No I haven't I know that is huge information hole in this whole thing and I am shooting in the dark.

I plan on pulling some this round. One from a under preforming pot and one from best pot.
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No luck getting Spectrum to weigh anything aside from the K3 tests.

So we need to break this down into smaller subjects...

Soil-
outdoor
indoor (yes indoors)

Soilless
Outdoor - Coots/los/peat base mediums
Indoor - peat and coco base mediums

Also would like to compile a list of terms/questions that can be answered, put in order and stuck to the first page of this thread.

Who wants to give there interpretation of getting K from 4% to 8% during flower? For example lets say K starts at 450 ppm @ 4%.

I know I am not the only one that is doing it...
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In peat/coco how do you guys acct for the organic material. It isn’t cec but it holds stuff.

Gypsum is a 2 edge sword. Exactly as mentioned earlier. Go too far and you will go to lockout hell. Take one pot of coco, add 1 lb per cubic ft of gypsum and see what happens

What if I said you are much more likely to have a k shortage in veg than flower...is that topic appropriate for this thread? What if I said I no longer use gypsum in soil less? Big question do you want me here at all?

Edit...if I am soilless and organic-ish I am Tom hill minus gypsum, not coot
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