alot of freinds i know don't go organic cause they say the yield isn't the same and that they grow more using chems.is it possible to grow organic and still get a 1lb and a half to 2lbs a light using organics?if so what products do you recommend or strains like diesel and ogers kush?
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how can much can you yield?
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Yes, provided you have the same room and light setup I think you can at least match the performance of chemo nutes.
Usually your talking about 1ooo watt lights as well when people make that comparison and it may be multiple plants. Alot of the yeild figures are based on production per square meter so plant count and space become real important.
Longer veg times will increase yeild, larger grow area, cosistant nute regime, higher yielding, strains, etc...
Botanicare, Advanced Nutreints, Metanatruals, Fox Farm. and Bio Bizz all make organic nutes.
I prefer the Pure Blend line from Botanicare with some other ammendments from Bio Bizz.
Big yielders are in every strain but recently I have had killer yields out of NYCD, GWS, NLK, and a Badass Willie Nelson.
Tex
Usually your talking about 1ooo watt lights as well when people make that comparison and it may be multiple plants. Alot of the yeild figures are based on production per square meter so plant count and space become real important.
Longer veg times will increase yeild, larger grow area, cosistant nute regime, higher yielding, strains, etc...
Botanicare, Advanced Nutreints, Metanatruals, Fox Farm. and Bio Bizz all make organic nutes.
I prefer the Pure Blend line from Botanicare with some other ammendments from Bio Bizz.
Big yielders are in every strain but recently I have had killer yields out of NYCD, GWS, NLK, and a Badass Willie Nelson.
Tex
Organic is best in my opinion but i do both!
Organic is best in my opinion but i do both!
im running the same strain side by side bubbler bucket and soil coco mix and the soil coco mix is out growing the bucket,
as you can see from the pic. They were all the same size wen i started, well the hydro was a little smaller, the soil plants have only been fed twice, once wen the picture was taken.I use bio-bizz nutes and bio-bizz all-mix soilmixed with canna coco about 50/50...hope this helps with ur question...better taste from organic too..peace
Organic is best in my opinion but i do both!
im running the same strain side by side bubbler bucket and soil coco mix and the soil coco mix is out growing the bucket,
as you can see from the pic. They were all the same size wen i started, well the hydro was a little smaller, the soil plants have only been fed twice, once wen the picture was taken.I use bio-bizz nutes and bio-bizz all-mix soilmixed with canna coco about 50/50...hope this helps with ur question...better taste from organic too..peace
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Side by side...Organic vs 2+ Program with Advanced nutes, the 2+ Program produced more than twice as much yield. The Organics however, had the higher thc level by quite a bit.
(24.9% vs 18.9% with the 2+ Program)
I'd have to say overall the Organics were a more appealing product (at least in terms of "flavour") but the 2+ outgrew them by a long shot.
(24.9% vs 18.9% with the 2+ Program)
I'd have to say overall the Organics were a more appealing product (at least in terms of "flavour") but the 2+ outgrew them by a long shot.
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Aeroponics for Mindgrowing uuuuummmmmmmm Mindblowing growth. lol
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Aeroponics for Mindgrowing uuuuummmmmmmm Mindblowing growth. lol
Everything in the entire "big picture" must all come together in order to get big yield's. Good genetic's, adequate lighting & proper temp's, a well set-up aeroponic system, coupled with the proper mix of both chem & organic nute's, all being fussed over by a benevolent grower..... 
...... certainly helps. A little bit of dumb luck doesn't hurt either...... 
...... certainly helps. A little bit of dumb luck doesn't hurt either...... 
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Damn Squid, I love your grows
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And for every grower theres a method he or she will work with untill they get their own little nisch. And then comes the fun part,,,,,,experimenting.
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And for every grower theres a method he or she will work with untill they get their own little nisch. And then comes the fun part,,,,,,experimenting.
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They key to a high yield is the 5 limiting grow factor's. When all 5 are balanced in your grow room you will take yield's like never before, at this point experimenting with thing's can take you to new level's of yield, and by alot of what I have read and seen organic's is part of the factor, it does not have to be, but I am very pleased with my result's so far and each time I get closer to having all 5 factor's balanced and each time I get better yield's, yes I keep changing strain's, but I try to stick with solid yielding strain's.
I will say finding a strain you love and want to grow and keep growing it will until you find what give's it's best yield. Some will do one thing with one method, and twice the yield if grown another way. The board's offer alot of information on strain's and how they have grown in different method's, so it is possible alot of the work has already been done by other's, this is were surfing the grow report's pay's off.
Then again there will be time's you are just damn happy you made it harvest and yield has nothing to do with it.
grow safe and stay the same way.
realhigh.
I will say finding a strain you love and want to grow and keep growing it will until you find what give's it's best yield. Some will do one thing with one method, and twice the yield if grown another way. The board's offer alot of information on strain's and how they have grown in different method's, so it is possible alot of the work has already been done by other's, this is were surfing the grow report's pay's off.
Then again there will be time's you are just damn happy you made it harvest and yield has nothing to do with it.
grow safe and stay the same way.
realhigh.
How’s it going realhigh, I don’t think that I’ve every heard of this before:
So I guess I’m going to ask, what are these 5 factor’s that you speak of? not meaning to come off in a hard way, but it’s just that I’ve never heard of them before, and btw it’s good to see you over on this side of the internet.
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Picking me apart BT, LOL
Please remember I am high most all the time, LOL
The 5 limiting grow factor's, alot can be resolved in proper grow room set up and design, are not mne, I learned them from a book and I do feel them to be true.
1. Light
2. CO2
3. temperature
4. nutrient's
5. water quality
"These five factor's can promote or limit plant growth. Each may be a weak link in a chain and the plant can grow no faster than the weakest link allow's." taken from (Indoor High Yield Guide" by Ed Rosenthal, this third edition was printed in 1988. I wanted to edit in this info.
Thank you for the warm welcome as it has been a pleasure to be around such fine grower's. It is a new world to me.
Yes there is one missing, genetic of the strain, as if they are poor all 5 limiting factor's balanced will not improve the yield, but it will be at it's best. This I have learned over time trying to better my out come. I will admit that my condition's are not perfect, but if I keep on thing's it is real close, so when I find the strain I love, well then I will find my weakest link and improve.
They are truely linked and one does affect the other and with the combination of true living ogranic soil growth and yield and quality are there.
This is my opinion, every one has the right to my opinion.
My daughter got me a shirt that say's that, I wonder what she was trying to tell me?
grow safe.
realhigh.
Please remember I am high most all the time, LOL
The 5 limiting grow factor's, alot can be resolved in proper grow room set up and design, are not mne, I learned them from a book and I do feel them to be true.
1. Light
2. CO2
3. temperature
4. nutrient's
5. water quality
"These five factor's can promote or limit plant growth. Each may be a weak link in a chain and the plant can grow no faster than the weakest link allow's." taken from (Indoor High Yield Guide" by Ed Rosenthal, this third edition was printed in 1988. I wanted to edit in this info.
Thank you for the warm welcome as it has been a pleasure to be around such fine grower's. It is a new world to me.
Yes there is one missing, genetic of the strain, as if they are poor all 5 limiting factor's balanced will not improve the yield, but it will be at it's best. This I have learned over time trying to better my out come. I will admit that my condition's are not perfect, but if I keep on thing's it is real close, so when I find the strain I love, well then I will find my weakest link and improve.
They are truely linked and one does affect the other and with the combination of true living ogranic soil growth and yield and quality are there.
This is my opinion, every one has the right to my opinion.
My daughter got me a shirt that say's that, I wonder what she was trying to tell me?
grow safe.
realhigh.
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ph level is covered under water.
medium, hummmmm, seem's to me it was a given, soil is nutrient enriched, if hydro it is the water that is nutrient enriched, not actually the medium.
Think about each factor, what is involved in it and how it relate's to the plant and the other factor's. All are controlled or should be for indoor explosive growing.
How does one know if all are balanced and working together with the plant?
Metet's and calibrated equipment if it can be afforded compared to known useful level's and tweaked to optimize plant's production. This also can take several grow's as different flowering height's will give different yield's in different method's. One can love a scroggable strain, but think it's yield is low, yet a sog lover take's it and get's double the yield compared to the srog grower. Maybe the sog room is more balanced, maybe the strain is better suited for max yield in sog over scrog, just the same their are strain's that do well in scrog and do very little in sog method. Many variable's, but all 5 limiting grow factor's are in all grow room's, or should be.
grow safe.
realhigh.
medium, hummmmm, seem's to me it was a given, soil is nutrient enriched, if hydro it is the water that is nutrient enriched, not actually the medium.
Think about each factor, what is involved in it and how it relate's to the plant and the other factor's. All are controlled or should be for indoor explosive growing.
How does one know if all are balanced and working together with the plant?
Metet's and calibrated equipment if it can be afforded compared to known useful level's and tweaked to optimize plant's production. This also can take several grow's as different flowering height's will give different yield's in different method's. One can love a scroggable strain, but think it's yield is low, yet a sog lover take's it and get's double the yield compared to the srog grower. Maybe the sog room is more balanced, maybe the strain is better suited for max yield in sog over scrog, just the same their are strain's that do well in scrog and do very little in sog method. Many variable's, but all 5 limiting grow factor's are in all grow room's, or should be.
grow safe.
realhigh.
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Okay, a 5 branched clone at 9", LUI strain that favor's ortega parent, flowered under 600 watt's and it strecthed about 6" and gave me ten bud's, final weight was just over 2 ounces, semi pistilwhipped it.
Now the silver spice was about 18" tall when flowered, on average I got 2.5 oz per plant.
Same method and area the pineapple pushed a little lighter, and if I took all the lower bud I might have had a better average, but I wanted some to put in my jar for later.
The ss and piney had a 3 week stall and recovery veyg time, when they came out of it, I had to flip light's to prevent an over grown area.
What I think is good, 3 to 5 ounce's per plant indoor's, but that is what goal I set for myself to achieve.
grow safe.
realhigh.
Now the silver spice was about 18" tall when flowered, on average I got 2.5 oz per plant.
Same method and area the pineapple pushed a little lighter, and if I took all the lower bud I might have had a better average, but I wanted some to put in my jar for later.
The ss and piney had a 3 week stall and recovery veyg time, when they came out of it, I had to flip light's to prevent an over grown area.
What I think is good, 3 to 5 ounce's per plant indoor's, but that is what goal I set for myself to achieve.
grow safe.
realhigh.
