Sea Solids make plants EXPLODE in hydro!!

osirica420 · Feb 26, 2008

Miko said:
The industry as a whole looks small and undefined. There is a small number of data on the subject - most, or perhaps all I've seen comes from a very limited number of sources all in the end pointting at one man responsible for all and that one is dead. I mean no disrespect to Dr. Maynard Murray and believe this subject is well worth some attention. Stories are somewhat sketchy and luck references; scientific data representation is a little amateurish looking to me but that off course is subjective and I might be confusing it with simplicity.

All I have to say in response to the majority of that paragraph, is you got alot of reading todo....

The industry as a whole looks small and undefined...

The reason for this is because it would put the big businesses out of business!
Not only that but everyone would be healthy, people would be not nearly as sick!
Big business does not want healthy thinking individuals they want dumbed down sick people so they can leech off them!

I have some clones just about fully rooted then the side by side test BEGINS!!
:muahaha:

all in 5 gal DWC bubblers 1200 watts light.. in coco coir atm

Thalassa Mix vs GH nutes vs Thalassa Mix & minimal PBP bloom vs Thalassa Mix & Guano vs Thalassa mix & minimal GH nutes...

Will be posting as soon this as i get the GH nutes.....

These buds just keep getting fatter, longer and more sugar coated daily, no boosters or anything just seasalt and a tiny bit of pbp...
With 6-8 weeks left these 4 girls are definetly going to yield nice..

Miko · Feb 26, 2008

osirica420 said:
All I have to say in response to the majority of that paragraph, is you got alot of reading todo....

Perhaps so. As I said I haven't read his book. However, I have everything on these sites and their links including papers I could find:

http://www.shopgrowgreens.com/
http://seaagri.com/
http://sea-crop.com/
http://www.championtrees.org/topsoil/MMurray.htm
http://www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm
http://meetdonjansen.wetpaint.com/page/Biography+of+Donald+Jansen?t=anon
http://www.sonicbloom.com/indoseaponics.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/stoneorganicpastures3/seaenergyagexcerpts.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_salt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawater
http://www.himalayancrystalsalt.com/html/research.html

There isn't really much, though.

Thanks for the side by side test!

osirica420 · Feb 26, 2008

oh there loads brother...

Please research how plants eat exactly and what they eat..

Then research the contents of sea-water and how it maintains this ratio...

Research the minerals found in chlorophyll ...

Research why there is no cancer in the sea...

Research what happens to plants when they have access to more minerals...

There is alot of research stemming of this topic.

If the Doctor is DEAD we must resurrect his research, he died trying to save us!!!!!

Miko · Feb 26, 2008

I will answer these:

Please research how plants eat exactly and what they eat..

Here's a simply put information for you to see http://www.usu.edu/cpl/research_hydroponics3.htm#summary
Please, note TABLE 3 let's take it as our example.

Then research the contents of sea-water and how it maintains this ratio...

I have posted some links already, please read. I will make it easier and post direc links to what you are possibly reffering:
http://seaagri.com/DetailedCompositionofSeawater.pdf
http://seaagri.com/Analysis SEA-90.pdf
Now, note luck of data in both tables. Note PH on SEA-90 table. Compare them. Let's ignore differences and luck of data and assume something in between.

Research the minerals found in chlorophyll ...

Yes, it is available here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorophyll#Chemical_structure

Research why there is no cancer in the sea...

Sorry, irrelevant here

Research what happens to plants when they have access to more minerals...

More minerals? Sorry, I can't research THAT. Can you tell me then? What is more or how much more and what minerals?

Point is there is no proof it will work better or improve on current hydroponic formulas. It possible could to some extent but I see no data, sorry.

Now, take that example tabe3 and compare it to what you have in seawater and SEA-90 data in the links above. Do you think it would be reasonable to have doubts about seawater optimum nutritional ratio?

osirica420 · Feb 26, 2008

Miko said:
I will answer these:

Here's a simply put information for you to see http://www.usu.edu/cpl/research_hydroponics3.htm#summary
Please, note TABLE 3 let's take it as our example.

I have posted some links already, please read. I will make it easier and post direc links to what you are possibly reffering:
http://seaagri.com/DetailedCompositionofSeawater.pdf
http://seaagri.com/Analysis SEA-90.pdf
Now, note luck of data in both tables. Note PH on SEA-90 table. Compare them. Let's ignore differences and luck of data and assume something in between.

Yes, it is available here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorophyll#Chemical_structure

Sorry, irrelevant here

More minerals? Sorry, I can't research THAT. Can you tell me then? What is more or how much more and what minerals?

Point is there is no proof it will work better or improve on current hydroponic formulas. It possible could to some extent but I see no data, sorry.

Now, take that example tabe3 and compare it to what you have in seawater and SEA-90 data in the links above. Do you think it would be reasonable to have doubts about seawater optimum nutritional ratio?

you can't expect me to take any of that as your own serious research...
posting various links that you can't even comprehend?

How much time did you take to do your research just now?

"Point is there is no proof it will work better or improve on current hydroponic formulas. It possible could to some extent but I see no data, sorry."

My plants are living off it and thriving NO deficiency at ALL, is that not enough proof?

The fact that there is no other way to get 90+ elements in wheatgrass but this way...is that not enough proof?

The fact that plants need minerals to make enzymes, vitamins and carbs and such....is that not enough proof?

You got alot of reading to do my friend....

What SEASALT is, is what u are already feeding your plants ELEMENTS..just a broader spectrum in available form.
WHY SHOULD I EVEN NEED PROOF IF YOUR ALREADY GIVING THEM A PORTION OF IT, WHY NOT THE WHOLE!!!!

Miko please take a look at this thread .... http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=79104

Bottom line i am not trying to change anyone that was not the point of this thread..

Its to show people what could be done with seasalt and the benefits that could come from it, smoke and HEALTH wise thats
why i mentioned cancer before....The leaves of the Cannabis plant contain a wide range of minerals, some of which are not
found in any other plant source, ESPECIALLY deep sea-salt grown cannabis.

Here is the same plant in the first post of this thread and a cola of a different one with lights out...

chosen · Feb 27, 2008

I grow organic from time to time in aero and dwc. It's not hard at all. I sometimes use an organic tea. I soak seeds in a liquid kelp as well. It's not that hard but it's nice to be able to load the nutes organically with out worrying too much about burning them.

osirica420 · Feb 27, 2008

hey bro what do you use to balance your ph?

Miko · Feb 27, 2008

you can't expect me to take any of that as your own serious research...
posting various links that you can't even comprehend?

Very interesting assumption.

How much time did you take to do your research just now?

Irrelevant.

My plants are living off it and thriving NO deficiency at ALL, is that not enough proof?

PROOF OF WHAT, EXACTLY?

The fact that there is no other way to get 90+ elements in wheatgrass but this way...is that not enough proof?

Oh, is that a fact? but anyway, again - PROOF OF WHAT EXACTLY?

The fact that plants need minerals to make enzymes, vitamins and carbs and such....is that not enough proof?

PROOF OF WHAT EXACTLY?

You got alot of reading to do my friend....

Oh wait, haven't I heard that many times already? Perhaps you change your tune and start providing some real input on what exactly you have "researched"?

What SEASALT is, is what u are already feeding your plants ELEMENTS..just a broader spectrum in available form.

And? Magicly, whatever you say is like shout a word and hide in bushes...
I have given you examples of what we DO know on growing and how it actually correlates with seawater contents. I have given you known to work well nutrient ratio formula table and direct links to seawater data. Have you done comparision I pointed you at? You haven't. Perhaps you shouldn't have replied to my post then.

WHY SHOULD I EVEN NEED PROOF IF YOUR ALREADY GIVING THEM A PORTION OF IT, WHY NOT THE WHOLE!!!!

You need proof so that you know if your seawater works better then conventional fertilizer. Don't get so obviously defensive. Have you read my posts at all? Ah... nevermind...

You lost my interest for this discussion.

osirica420 · Feb 28, 2008

Miko said:
Very interesting assumption.

Irrelevant.

PROOF OF WHAT, EXACTLY?

Oh, is that a fact? but anyway, again - PROOF OF WHAT EXACTLY?

PROOF OF WHAT EXACTLY?

Oh wait, haven't I heard that many times already? Perhaps you change your tune and start providing some real input on what exactly you have "researched"?

And? Magicly, whatever you say is like shout a word and hide in bushes...
I have given you examples of what we DO know on growing and how it actually correlates with seawater contents. I have given you known to work well nutrient ratio formula table and direct links to seawater data. Have you done comparision I pointed you at? You haven't. Perhaps you shouldn't have replied to my post then.

You need proof so that you know if your seawater works better then conventional fertilizer. Don't get so obviously defensive. Have you read my posts at all? Ah... nevermind...

You lost my interest for this discussion.

Quite frankly i don't think your educated enough to even do so....

You've made my point by replying the way you did...

If you "understood" any of "facts" i said last post you would know what they would be proving....

Guest · Feb 28, 2008

rofl (message is too short to post)... lol!

58FLH · Mar 5, 2008

After reading through several threads on multiple sites sea salt still sounds interesting. Does anyone know if it'd be possible to just go to the shore and collect your own sea salts and use them as your base?

hydroflower · Mar 5, 2008

This all sounds interesting but can you give us an explanation of your grow cycles, i.e; How long were they vegged, how long they have been in flower along with how long they have left to finish.
Also a brief description of the culture type you're running.
This info is neccesary before a comparison can be made to convince all us non sea solids growers.
HF

osirica420 · Mar 5, 2008

This one vegged for around 10-13 days max..

They are 34 days into flower 40-55 days left

strain... New York City Diesel X G13 Haze

They are under 600watts although there is another 400watt in the room thats lighting other plants..

I have another 600watt that only wants to turn on when it wants that i need to return,
so i will add that in 2 weeks around...

Ever since this first post they have recieved close to recommended dose of sea solids,
before i was only giving them 200ppm max, Now they recieve 1700ppm sea-solids and only 200ppm of fertilizer...

My nl x haze clones are ready for testing, I just haven't order GH nutes yet I will soon...

AND no you can not goto the beach and get seawater from there, you need deep sea ocean water, real deep down..
BUT you could use himalaya sea salt you see at stores, there will be no good bacteria though in the dired stuff...
Seawater contains TONS of good bacteria for plants more then any soil can hold...
Some vendors mix in ancient himalayan salt into their seawater...

First 3 pics is the plant in first post of thread

A 7 days before

Different G13 HAZE x NYCD

AutoFlowering AutoAk47 yielding quite nice 20inches tall..2 weeks til flush

Miko · Mar 6, 2008

58FLH said:
After reading through several threads on multiple sites sea salt still sounds interesting. Does anyone know if it'd be possible to just go to the shore and collect your own sea salts and use them as your base?

I hear some people claim they do it, but I can only guess as to how good or bad i works. One thing you will notice is that sea salts is mostly sodium chlorine. For example sea-90 got lots of it and it defenatly is not good for soil. I wouldn't want it in my hydroponics solution as well. Some other products based on this whole sewater idea are claimed to have most of sodium chlorine removed. I don't think there are many ways to go about it and I am sure mg is removed as a consiqunce and probably some other elements. Those elements are probably added to compensate later. I know japanese have done some research into this but I don't think they ended up using seawater. cheers

snadge · Mar 6, 2008

what's the deal on your known result plant and how does it compare to the GH and the sea salt?

rooted · Mar 6, 2008

thread re-title: "hydro makes plants grow fast!"

that's just the DWC

every plant i've ever put in one of those buckets grew like a bat out of hell!

hydroflower · Mar 6, 2008

It's very difficult to see any continuity in your pictures, does'nt seem to make any sense if you read the thread and look at the pictures.
If you are trying to demonstrate this fertiliser to people and not get into arguments, maybe you should improve your demonstration technique.
If you have something to prove then prove it, don't just argue the toss with anyone who seems to question you. Jibes like "I don't think your educated enough to even do so" do you no favours.
HF

osirica420 · Mar 6, 2008

Miko said:
I hear some people claim they do it, but I can only guess as to how good or bad i works. One thing you will notice is that sea salts is mostly sodium chlorine. For example sea-90 got lots of it and it defenatly is not good for soil. I wouldn't want it in my hydroponics solution as well. Some other products based on this whole sewater idea are claimed to have most of sodium chlorine removed. I don't think there are many ways to go about it and I am sure mg is removed as a consiqunce and probably some other elements. Those elements are probably added to compensate later. I know japanese have done some research into this but I don't think they ended up using seawater. cheers

In the doctors work he realized that the sodium is needed for the plant to uptake the heavier metals..... please research this more!!

snadge said:
what's the deal on your known result plant and how does it compare to the GH and the sea salt?

I haven't order GH nutes yet but i have the clones ready and rooted, testing will be soon....
I can get advanced nutes today at a store , is this brand fine for testing you guys think?

rooted said:
thread re-title: "hydro makes plants grow fast!"

that's just the DWC every plant i've ever put in one of those buckets grew like a bat out of hell!

I wanna see you grow a plant like mine in a DWC with just 200ppm of PBP/molasses lol .. I swear people sometimes :bashhead:

hydroflower said:
It's very difficult to see any continuity in your pictures, does'nt seem to make any sense if you read the thread and look at the pictures.
If you are trying to demonstrate this fertiliser to people and not get into arguments, maybe you should improve your demonstration technique.
If you have something to prove then prove it, don't just argue the toss with anyone who seems to question you. Jibes like "I don't think your educated enough to even do so" do you no favours.
HF

Its already been proved plants can grow with seawater as the main plant food!
It seems people either don't understand it or don't want to accept it!
The title of the thread did not say plants grow bigger better danker with sea solids did it??.. It will IMO after this testing!!
I know growing with seasolids made food more nutritious so i thought to give it a try on cannabis...

Since everyone on here thinks its a competition then there will be on..

I could care less whether people take what i am saying as any sort of advice, to me they really aren't educated. I could care less if i am hurting anyone feelings I am not here to cater to people emotions. But to show people what can be done with seawater and not your normal NPK technique.

This thread shows without any trace of doubt that plants can be grown with DEEP SEA WATER which is 100% organic!!

All the haters can go elsewhere with their hating/moronic statements...
I am beyond trying to prove anything, enjoy the seawater grow show!!

Next Bucket change my 2-3 week old babies are getting guano/seawater only 100% ORGANIC...
seems to be stable with just lemon juice after bubbled for 5 days...

hydroflower · Mar 6, 2008

Like I said.

osirica420 · Mar 6, 2008

By the time this thread is done people will know the difference between GH - PBP - Guano - Seawater in DWC
Not only that but they will have a way to grow 100% organic in DWC hydro setup
All without doing any massive research... just by side by side testing
People just like to see things right in front of them and don't want to take to time to do any "REAL" research...

I could get some advanced nutes right now 30min away..will that work for you guys as a chemical fertilizer?

If so we can start the testing today.....

Sea Solids make plants EXPLODE in hydro!!

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