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USA strikes Syria again

shithawk420

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I think we can be muture adults about this and hopefully keep this cival. Did anyone read about the Stargate Project?not the movie
 

Hermanthegerman

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What there goes up in smoke are dead jews.

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Never again!
 

Brother Nature

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Yeah, some very interesting stuff there shithawk. I think it also brings up the fact that there's a lot we'll never know about until way after the fact. History and perception will be the real judge of what's gone on, lets hope we're on the right side of it.
 

shithawk420

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I agree 100 Brother Nature.the more I research the scarier it gets.you wouldn't believe the stories older military guys told me.scares the shit out of me
 

Storm Shadow

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20 million dead Chinese from WW2.... never ever here about that being mentioned....just Oscar Award winning WW2 movies with Grammy Award winning Soundtracks to push the notion only 1 group suffered during that war...

Chinese dont want pity and there is proof they actually lost that many people.....

No propaganda milking Western Nations for Billions and Billions of Dollars for Advanced Military Tech...

Like for real...WTF was Germany smoking building and hand delivering Nuclear Diesel Submarines to the Israel for? Crack that whip boy !
 

gaiusmarius

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What there goes up in smoke are dead jews.

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Never again!

yeah the Germans seems to have gotten away with it too, they didnt have to give up land to pay back the Jewish people for the genocide. instead the west decided to steal some land off the Arabs and pay the Jews back for their suffering in the blood and land of the Palestinian Arabs, those that had nothing to do with the genocide the Jewish people were put through. if there was any justice in the world, Israel would be in Germany some where.
 
M

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There is no real reliable or dependable schematic for delivery of justice. Just what we make due with, with the scraps that fall.

If there were predictable justice, half of the developed nations' leaders would've been sentenced at The Hague for their atrocities years ago, instead of having their insulated niches carved out inside mountain vaults and elsewise for them, with caviar provided from the finest waters.

Justice is what we make it, or take, providing we're able to administer it without letting emotion, nationalism, greed, or ego make us into just another despot in the process.

Most all else has 'Made by Hasbro' molded on the bottom..
 

gaiusmarius

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a great summery of events in Douma. thought it was time to get back to the thread topic. really seems anyone still believing the chemical weapons story in Douma has to be willfully blind.

Douma: Part 1 - Deception In Plain Sight

https://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2018/868-douma-part-1.html


Douma: Part 1 - Deception In Plain Sight


25 APRIL 2018

UK corporate media are under a curious kind of military occupation. Almost all print and broadcast media now employ a number of reporters and commentators who are relentless and determined warmongers. Despite the long, unarguable history of US-UK lying on war, and the catastrophic results, these journalists instantly confirm the veracity of atrocity claims made against Official Enemies, while having little or nothing to say about the proven crimes of the US, UK, Israel and their allies. They shriek with a level of moral outrage from which their own government is forever spared. They laud even the most obviously biased, tinpot sources blaming the 'Enemy', while dismissing out of hand the best scientific researchers, investigative journalists and academic sceptics who disagree.

Anyone who challenges this strange bias is branded a 'denier', 'pro-Saddam', 'pro-Gaddafi, 'pro-Assad'. Above all, one robotically repeated word is generated again and again: 'Apologist... Apologist... Apologist'.

Claims of a chemical weapons attack on Douma, Syria on April 7, offered yet another textbook example of this reflexive warmongering. Remarkably, the alleged attack came just days after US president Donald Trump had declared of Syria:

'I want to get out. I want to bring our troops back home. I want to start rebuilding our nation.'

The 'mainstream' responded as one, with instant certainty, exactly as they had in response to atrocity and other casus belli claims in Houla, Ghouta, Khan Sheikhoun and many other cases in Iraq (1990), Iraq (1998), Iraq (2002-2003), Libya and Kosovo.

Once again, the Guardian editors were sure: there was no question of a repetition of the fake justifications for war to secure non-existent Iraqi WMDs, or to prevent a fictional Libyan massacre in Benghazi. Instead, this was 'a chemical gas attack, orchestrated by Bashar al-Assad, that left dead children foaming at the mouth'.

Simon Tisdall, the Guardian's assistant editor, had clearly decided that enough was enough:

'It's time for Britain and its allies to take concerted, sustained military action to curb Bashar al-Assad's ability to murder Syria's citizens at will.'

This sounded like more than another cruise missile strike. But presumably Tisdall meant something cautious and restrained to avoid the terrifying risk of nuclear confrontation with Russia:

'It means destroying Assad's combat planes, bombers, helicopters and ground facilities from the air. It means challenging Assad's and Russia's control of Syrian airspace. It means taking out Iranian military bases and batteries in Syria if they are used to prosecute the war.'

But surely after Iraq - when UN weapons inspectors under Hans Blix were prevented from completing the work that would have shown that Saddam Hussein possessed no WMD – 'we' should wait for the intergovernmental Organisation for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons inspectors to investigate. After all, as journalist Peter Oborne noted of Trump's air raids:

'When the bombing started the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) was actually in Damascus and preparing to travel to the area where the alleged chemical attacks took place.'

Oborne added:

'Had we wanted independent verification on this occasion in Syria surely we ourselves would have demanded the OPCW send a mission to Douma. Yet we conspicuously omitted to ask for it.'

Tisdall was having none of it:

'Calls to wait for yet another UN investigation amount to irresponsible obfuscation. Only the Syrian regime and its Russian backers have the assets and the motivation to launch such merciless attacks on civilian targets. Or did all those writhing children imagine the gas?'

The idea that only Assad and the Russians had 'the motivation' to launch a gas attack simply defied all common sense. And, as we will see, it was not certain that children had been filmed 'writhing' under gas attack. Tisdall's pro-war position was supported by just 22% of British people.

Equally gung-ho, the oligarch-owned Evening Standard, edited by veteran newspaperman and politically impartial former Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, headlined this plea on the front page:

'HIT SYRIA WITHOUT A VOTE, MAY URGED'

Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland, formerly the paper's comment editor, also poured scorn on the need for further evidence:

'Besides, how much evidence do we need?... To all but the most committed denialists and conspiracists, Assad's guilt is clear.'

Freedland could argue that the case for blaming Assad was clear, if he liked, but he absolutely could not argue that disagreeing was a sign of denialist delusion.

Time and again, we encounter these jaw-dropping efforts to browbeat the reader with fake certainty and selective moral outrage. In his piece, Freedland linked to the widely broadcast social media video footage from a hospital in Douma, which showed that Assad was guilty of 'inflicting a death so painful the footage is unbearable to watch'. But when we actually click Freedland's link and watch the video, we do not see anyone dying, let alone in agony, and the video is not in fact unbearable to watch. Like Tisdall's claim on motivation, Freedland was simply declaring that black is white.

But many people are so intimidated by this cocktail of certainty and indignation – by the fear that they will be shamed as 'denialists' and 'apologists' – that they doubt the evidence of their own eyes. In 'mainstream' journalism, expressions of moral outrage are offered as evidence of a fiery conviction burning within. In reality, the shrieks are mostly hot air.

In the Observer, Andrew Rawnsley also deceived in plain sight by blaming the Syrian catastrophe on Western inaction:

'Syria has paid a terrible price for the west's disastrous policy of doing nothing'.

However terrible media reporting on the 2003 Iraq war, commentators did at least recognise that the US and Britain were involved. We wrote to Rawnsley, asking how he could possibly not know about the CIA's billion dollar per annum campaign to train and arm fighters, or about the 15,000 high-tech, US anti-tank missiles sent to Syrian 'rebels' via Saudi Arabia.

Rawnsley ignored us, as ever.

Just three days after the alleged attack, the Guardian's George Monbiot was asked about Douma:

'Don't you smell a set up here though? Craig Murray doesn't think Assad did it.'

Monbiot replied:

'Then he's a fool.'

Craig Murray responded rather more graciously:

'I continue to attract attacks from the "respectable" corporate and state media. I shared a platform with Monbiot once, and liked him. They plainly find the spirit of intellectual inquiry to be a personal affront.'

Monbiot tweeted back:

'I'm sorry Craig but, while you have done excellent work on some issues, your efforts to exonerate Russia and Syria of a long list of crimes, despite the weight of evidence, are foolish in the extreme.'

The idea that Murray's effort has been 'to exonerate Russia and Syria of a long list of crimes' is again so completely false, so obviously not what Murray has been doing. But it fits perfectly with the corporate media theme of Cold War-style browbeating: anyone challenging the case for US-UK policy on Syria is an 'apologist' for 'the enemy'.

If Britain was facing imminent invasion across the channel from some malignant superpower, or was on the brink of nuclear annihilation, the term 'apologist' might have some merit as an emotive term attacking free speech – understandable in the circumstances. But Syria is not at war with Britain; it offers no threat whatsoever. If challenging evidence of Assad's responsibility is 'apologism', then why can we not describe people accepting that evidence as 'Trump apologists', or 'May apologists', or 'Jaysh al-Islam apologists'? The term really means little more than, 'I disagree with you' – a much more reasonable formulation.

As Jonathan Cook has previously commented:

'Monbiot has repeatedly denied that he wants a military attack on Syria. But if he then weakly accepts whatever narratives are crafted by those who do – and refuses to subject them to any meaningful scrutiny – he is decisively helping to promote such an attack.'

Why Are These Academics Allowed?

The cynical, apologetic absurdity of questioning the official narrative has been a theme across the corporate media. In a Sky News discussion, Piers Robinson of Sheffield University urged caution in blaming the Syrian government in the absence of verifiable evidence. In a remarkable response, Alan Mendoza, Executive Director of the Henry Jackson Society, screeched at him:

'Who do you think did it? Was it your mother who did it?'

Again, exact truth reversal – given the lack of credible, verified evidence, it was absurd to declare Robinson's scepticism absurd.

Mendoza later linked to an article attacking Robinson, and asked:

'Why are UK universities allowing such "academics" - and I use the term advisedly because they are not adhering to any recognised standard when promoting material with no credible sourcing, and often with no citation at all - to work in their institutions?'

In 2011, Mendoza wrote in The Times of Nato's 'intervention' in Libya:

'The action in Libya is a sign that the world has overcome the false lessons [sic] of Iraq or of "realism" in foreign policy.'

The UN had 'endorsed military action to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding'.

In fact, the unfolding 'humanitarian catastrophe' was fake news; Mendoza's mother needed no alibi. A September 9, 2016 report on the war from the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons commented:

'Despite his rhetoric, the proposition that Muammar Gaddafi would have ordered the massacre of civilians in Benghazi was not supported by the available evidence...'.

The Times launched a shameful, front-page attack on Robinson and other academics who are not willing to accept US-UK government claims on trust. The Times cited Professor Scott Lucas of Birmingham University:

'Clearly we can all disagree about the war in Syria, but to deny an event like a chemical attack even occurred, by claiming they were "staged", is to fall into an Orwellian world.'

In similar vein, in a second Guardian comment piece on Douma, Jonathan Freedland lamented: 'we are now in an era when the argument is no longer over our response to events, but the very existence of those events'. Echoing Soviet propaganda under Stalin, Freedland warned that this was indicative of an intellectual and moral sickness:

'These are symptoms of a post-truth disease that's come to be known as "tribal epistemology", in which the truth or falsity of a statement depends on whether the person making it is deemed one of us or one of them.'

And this was, once again, truth reversal – given recent history in Iraq and Libya, it was Lucas and Freedland who were falling into an Orwellian fantasy world. Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens made the obvious point:

'Given the folly of the British government over Iraq and Libya, and its undoubted misleading of the public over Iraq, it is perfectly reasonable to suspect it of doing the same thing again. Some of us also do not forget the blatant lying over Suez, and indeed the Gulf of Tonkin'

Hitchens clearly shares our concern at media performance, particularly that of the Guardian, commenting:

'Has Invasion of the Bodysnatchers been re-enacted at Guardian HQ? Whatever the dear old thing's faults it was never a Pentagon patsy until recently. Rumours of relaunch as The Warmonger's Gazette, free toy soldier with every issue.'

Hitchens questioned Guardian certainty on Douma:

'But if facts are sacred, how can the Guardian be so sure, given that it is relying on a report from one correspondent 70 miles away, and another one 900 miles away.. and some anonymous quotes from people whose stories it has no way of checking?'

He added:

'The behaviour of The Guardian is very strange & illustrates just what a deep, poorly-understood change in our politics took place during the Blair years. We now have the curious spectacle of the liberal warmonger, banging his or her jingo fist on the table, demanding airstrikes.'

Indeed, in discussing the prospects for 'intervention' in the Guardian, Gaby Hinsliff, former political editor of the Observer, described the 2013 vote that prevented Britain from bombing Syria in August 2013 as 'that shameful night in 2013'. Shameful? After previous 'interventions' had completely wrecked Iraq and Libya on false pretexts, and after the US regime had been told the evidence was no 'slam dunk' by military advisers?

In the New Statesman, Paul Mason offered a typically nonsensical argument, linking to the anti-Assad website, Bellingcat:

'Despite the availability of public sources showing it is likely that a regime Mi-8 helicopter dropped a gas container onto a specific building, there are well-meaning people prepared to share the opinion that this was a "false flag", staged by jihadis, to pull the West into the war. The fact that so many people are prepared to clutch at false flag theories is, for Western democracies, a sign of how effective Vladimir Putin's global strategy has been.'

Thus, echoing Freedland's reference to 'denialists and conspiracists', sceptics can only be idiot victims of Putin's propaganda. US media analyst Adam Johnson of FAIR accurately described Mason's piece as a 'mess', adding:

'I love this thing where nominal leftists run the propaganda ball for bombing a country 99 yards then stop at the one yard and insist they don't support scoring goals, that they in fact oppose war.'

Surprisingly, the Bellingcat website, which publishes the findings of 'citizen journalist' investigations, appears to be taken seriously by some very high-profile progressives.

In the Independent, Green Party leader Caroline Lucas also mentioned the Syrian army 'Mi-8' helicopters. Why? Because she had read the same Bellingcat blog as Mason, to which she linked:

'From the evidence we've seen so far it appears that the latest chemical attack was likely by Mi-8 helicopters, probably from the forces of Syria's murderous President Assad.'

On Democracy Now!, journalist Glenn Greenwald said of Douma:

'I think that it's—the evidence is quite overwhelming that the perpetrators of this chemical weapons attack, as well as previous ones, is the Assad government...'

This was an astonishing comment. After receiving fierce challenges (not from us), Greenwald partially retracted, tweeting:

'It's live TV. Something [sic – sometimes] you say things less than ideally. I think the most likely perpetrator of this attack is Syrian Govt.'

We wrote to Greenwald asking what had persuaded him of Assad's 'likely' responsibility for Douma. (Twitter, April 10, direct message)

The first piece of evidence he sent us (April 12) was the Bellingcat blog mentioning Syrian government helicopters cited by Mason and Lucas. Greenwald also sent us a report from Reuters, as well as a piece from 2017, obviously prior to the alleged Douma event.

This was thin evidence indeed for the claim made. In our discussion with him, Greenwald then completely retracted his claim (Twitter, April 12, direct message) that there was evidence of Syrian government involvement in the alleged attack. Yes, it's true that people 'say things less than ideally' on TV, but to move from 'quite overwhelming' to 'likely', to declaring mistaken the claim that there is evidence of Assad involvement, was bizarre.

Political analyst Ben Norton noted on Twitter:

'Reminder that Bellingcat is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which is funded by the US government and is a notorious vehicle for US soft power'

Norton added: 'It acts like an unofficial NATO propagandist, obsessively focusing on Western enemies.'

And:

'Bellingcat founder Eliot Higgins is a fellow at the Atlantic Council, which is funded by NATO, US, Saudi, UAE, etc.

And:

'According to Meedan, which helps fund Bellingcat — along with the US government-funded NED — Bellingcat also works with the group Syrian Archive, which is funded by the German government, to jointly produce pro-opposition "research"'

And:

'The board of the directors for Meedan, which funds Bellingcat, includes Muna AbuSulayman—who led the Saudi oligarch's Alwaleed Bin Talal Foundation—and Wael Fakharany—who was the regional director of Google in Egypt & North Africa (US gov. contractor Google also funds Bellingcat)'

And:

'Bellingcat—which gets money from the US gov-funded NED and fixates obsessively on Western enemies—claims to be nonpartisan and impartial, committed to exposing all sides, but a website search shows it hasn't published anything on Yemen since February 2017.'

Although Bellingcat is widely referenced by corporate journalists, we are unaware of any 'mainstream' outlet that has seriously investigated the significance of these issues for the organisation's credibility as a source of impartial information. As we will see in Part 2, corporate journalism is very much more interested in challenging the credibility of journalists and academics holding power to account.



Part 2 is available here:
https://www.medialens.org/index.php...9-douma-part-2-it-just-doesn-t-ring-true.html
 

St. Phatty

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a great summery of events in Douma. thought it was time to get back to the thread topic. really seems anyone still believing the chemical weapons story in Douma has to be willfully blind.

All the lies told to justify the invasion of Iraq ... were since rarely mentioned.

Using Fraud to sell a War - shouldn't people go to prison for that ?

Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rice - everyone who was involved.

Since there are no penalties for lying about Iraq, why would there be penalties for lying about Syria ?

The US has devolved to a Zero-Accountability nation.

Something it has in common with the USSR, when it was collapsing.
 

gaiusmarius

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Battle for Deir Ezzour: Syrian point of view. not sure if youtube will leve it up, bit gruesome some bits, be warned.

[YOUTUBEIF]1527715448[/YOUTUBEIF]
 
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gaiusmarius

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the whole of Damascus completely free from all insurgents groups

the whole of Damascus completely free from all insurgents groups

Brief update on Yarmuk refugee camp, the destruction is complete, but at least now the rebuilding can start.

[YOUTUBEIF]RCfK1Qb31DM[/YOUTUBEIF]
 

St. Phatty

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Battle for Deir Ezzour: Syrian point of view. not sure if youtube will leve it up, bit gruesome some bits, be warned.

[YOUTUBEIF]1527715448[/YOUTUBEIF]

The censorship is complete.

If you want to watch a pro surfing contest, you now have to sign in using a Facebook or Google account. Starting - May 30, 2018 AKA today. Well, May 31 in Bali.

So they can unleash their web analytics software on you when you're watching. And Facebook censors will be filtering all comments.

Starting in June at the South African contest -
no Facebook log-in, no surf contest for you.

Facebook paid the World Surf League $30 Million so Facebook could have all the surf fans using their Facebook log-in to access the content.

the general mood is, let a blind man with a rusty razor shave League CEO Mrs. Goldschmidt's legs. Then tie Mrs. Goldschmidt to a jet ski and let her ride Shipstern's till the sharks show up.
 

militia420

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America's interest in Syria is oil. We don't REALLY give a shit about who kills who or what they use to do it with, we just want an excuse to continue the ongoing war crime of our 'humanitarian mission'.

America is an abstract thing. People are not abstract. Jewish interests control the machinery of this government via blackmail, bribery, extortion, and murder. AIPAC, ADL, MOSSAD, etc. The oil under the ground over there is the cover for people who are more clued in than the simple masses who buy into the "we're doing it for their own good". The Odid Yinon plan, Greater Israel, PNAC "Clean break" are the ultimate goals. Have a look into them. Then pay attention to WHO promotes them and take another look at whose selling the cover stories of oil and civil unrest. The truth passes through those filters.
 

militia420

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No, we gave them 1.7 billion in us cash........

the remaining amount was with sanctions........

Did you not even read the links? You not familiar with the Iran Nuclear deal? This is just crazy, I would have thought everybody would have known about this...... Our hard earned tax dollars given to a terrorist nation. I guess I was the only one......



Dont forget one fact about the Iran Nuclear deal..... They sent cash....... Because it was illegal to use the banking system with Iran, because they are a terrorist nation....... The sanction money was allowed through the banks, because that is how it was taken. The cash however, was a nice tip from US tax payers.

Bahhaha! Whining about money going to Iran when Billions go to Israel, who staged 9/11 and attacked the USS Liberty and engages in massive tyrannical behaviors around the globe through the diaspora. Seriously dude?
 

gaiusmarius

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I don't agree.
Edward Bernays, Sigmund Freud's nephew, didn't like the word "propaganda" because it was too closely tied to Nazism. So he re-christened it "Public Relations".

Watch the first 11 minutes.
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thats a sick link man, really really interesting. those where the days when the bbc was worth it's salt. about half way through so far. thanks for sharing.
 

gaiusmarius

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back to Syria, newest interview with president Assad of Syria.
it looks like the recent success by his Syrian Arab Army has made him a bit too optimistic, he's talking about kicking the US out by force if nothing else works, lol. good luck with that, would surely help to end the war, but i don't see the US going unless they want to.

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